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IMO...if we DO in fact trade BE and BQ......we are gonna be punching bags of the AFC North for quite some time.....if we trade away those 2, then we may as well trade Shaun Rogers also...by the time we get around to being competitive, then he will be ready to retire......and I'm sure we can get another 1st round pick for him....It's like Mangini is playing Madden or something........we have Thomas and Wright to build around...I guess it's better than nothing..... 
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Guess this'll fit here, another article to annoy yhe local reporters  Browns GM Kokinis won't address trade rumors but will talk about draft BEREA, Ohio -- For 35 minutes, Cleveland general manager George Kokinis stood behind the podium and addressed the upcoming NFL draft, trade rumors, injuries and the Browns' future. He talked a lot. He divulged little. Perhaps concerned about tipping his hand before his first draft as a GM, Kokinis was guarded during just his second news conference with local media members. He opened his remarks by saying he would not address speculation about trades or roster decisions. "Internal business is not something I'm going to discuss," he said. "It's just not the right thing to do." Kokinis kept his word. And then some. Baltimore's former director of pro personnel stiff-armed the day's first question, which centered on reported deals involving wide receiver Braylon Edwards and quarterback Brady Quinn. "It's internal business," Kokinis said. "We'll look at every option." Kokinis didn't break any news on Cleveland's draft intentions. The Browns have the No. 5 overall pick, two in the second round and one in the fourth and sixth. Kokinis did reveal that running back Jamal Lewis had offseason ankle surgery and suggested that quarterback Derek Anderson had a procedure done on his left knee. Kokinis was almost defiant about the incessant trade talk. He didn't dignify any of the reports, but he didn't deny them either. Edwards has been mentioned in a possible deal with the New York Giants, who are looking to fill a major hole in their offense since releasing troubled wide receiver Plaxico Burress. According to several reports, the Browns have discussed sending Edwards to New York in exchange for second- and fifth-round picks in this year's draft and Giants receiver Steve Smith. The Giants, the reports say, want to keep Smith but have offered receiver Domenik Hixon along with the picks. Edwards, perhaps the most talented player on Cleveland's roster, has always wanted to play in a major market and New York would suit his personality and desire to be a star outside of football. He had 55 receptions and three touchdowns last season, a dramatic drop from the 80 catches and 16 TDs he had as a Pro Bowler in 2007. Edwards also was plagued by dropped passes in 2008. At roughly the same time Kokinis was playing word games with reporters, Giants GM Jerry Reese was shooting down the Edwards-to-New York rhetoric. "I'm not talking about Braylon," Reese said. "That's somebody else's player. He's under contract, so I'm not talking about that. There's a lot of chatter. A lot of false reports." As for Quinn, who has spent most of his pro career on the bench, there has been renewed talk about the Browns' interest in seeing what they can command for the former Notre Dame star. Before Jay Cutler was traded by Denver, he had been linked to a deal involving Quinn. Kokinis, who was hired by the Browns after the club brought in coach Eric Mangini, was asked if the Browns had tried to acquire Cutler. "Uh, did we try to obtain Jay Cutler?" Kokinis said. "Jay Cutler is with the Bears." Pressed on Cleveland's cluttered quarterback field, Kokinis said the plan remains to have Quinn compete with Derek Anderson. "Nothing has changed on our roster in terms of those two guys," he said. "They'll come in here and compete. They both can contribute. They both have skill. They both have qualities that we like. I think competition throughout this whole team is vital." Later, Kokinis said that Lewis underwent a "clean out" procedure on his ankle during the offseason. Lewis rushed for 1,002 yards and Kokinis believes the soon-to-be 30-year-old is still a productive every-down back. "I think he's still got tread there," Kokinis said. "You can't count that man out." Soon after, Kokinis was asked about whether Anderson, who lost his starting job to Quinn midway through last season, had undergone offseason surgery. Anderson missed the final four games with a strained knee ligament. "Derek is 100 percent," Kokinis said, avoiding the direct question. "He's been working out. I think Derek is going to come in determined to compete. He's 100 percent." Kokinis was again asked if Anderson required surgery. "Again, injuries and surgeries and stuff, I gave you Jamal," he said. Before concluding, Kokinis was asked why he couldn't address Anderson's status. "Well, I just chose not to," he said. NFL.Com Linkage
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i think sanchez is a good prospect but i think he's benefiting from the same thing quinn benefited from in 07: extremely weak qb class.
I couldnt agree more. Next years crop... Tebow, Bradford, McCoy.
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Unless somebody makes a huge leap from this year to next, Sanchez is the best QB prospect in both classes.
Of course, with the exception of crab, I'm a big 12 hater.
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"Well, I just chose not to," he said.
 Translation..... it's none of your damn business Good job Kok 
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I don't know....I kind of think football related surgeries are our business. The personal stuff, nah, couldn't care less, but I DO care if it applies to the game.
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Maybe he feels it would be a disadvantage to the team to address it.
But in principle, I agree with you. I understand wanting to keep their cards close to their chest, but the new regime doesn't seem too fan-friendly & open to giving out info. I don't want to be unfair & all I really care about is winning, but It's like Belichick taught them everything he knows about having zero personality.
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Unless somebody makes a huge leap from this year to next, Sanchez is the best QB prospect in both classes.
Of course, with the exception of crab, I'm a big 12 hater.
So he's better then the past 2 Heisman winners and one of which has 2 nat'l championships?
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So he's better then the past 2 Heisman winners and one of which has 2 nat'l championships?
With the exception of Bradford (whom I think is the best QB prospect to come out in a LONG time) yes. Tebow isn't an NFL QB, and I would draft him in the middle rounds as a TE/FB, and that's it.
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Nothing says fan-friendly more than wins. We can't evaluate these guys until games are played. Nobody on this site is an NFL GM, so I have to trust Kogini. When it comes down to it we are all Browns fans, and we need to support these guys because they are going to be here a while.
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Nothing says fan-friendly more than wins. We can't evaluate these guys until games are played. Nobody on this site is an NFL GM, so I have to trust Kogini. When it comes down to it we are all Browns fans, and we need to support these guys because they are going to be here a while.
Yep just win baby! Common sense says it's to early have any opinions on the latest Cleveland Browns saviors but I have a gut feeling about them and its not good. I don't think these two give a flip if fans support them or not and if you look at it logically why should they? If they win they're heros if not theyre sacked. I just hope they are as good as they think they are.
Then again looking on the bright side, I felt bad for Rac and PS when things went sour because I thought they were nice guys that did the best they could and failed,but if this dynamic duo bombs I don't think I'll feel a bit sorry for them. I may even get it out of my system and for the first time in my life join join the Cleveland Chorus in boo flat..A guys gotta have some fun. 
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it is my opinion that drafting a qb at #5 is a huge risk that mangini would not take simply because of the money that qb would command, the bust factor of 1st round qbs, especially lately, and because he recognizes other needs.
historically, when he drafted a qb, he drafted him in the 2nd round, opting instead to use his number 4 overall on a LT instead of leinart (same school, more success, arguably more polished player) or cutler. it showed that he valued the overall view of the team and would not get "smitten" over a qb. i think leaks that we're interested is a trade play because word is the redskins, the jets, and another team that i forget all want sanchez.
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Sorry dude.....I don't buy the "historically" or "MO" angles here. This coach has a grand total of 3 drafts under his belt.....and of course he chose a LT in his first draft in Round 1 because he had what they felt was an established long term starter at the time in Chad Pennington. You can't (IMO) base what he may or may not do here on what he did in his first short stint elsewhere......not enough book on him at all to aver what his style is in re the draft.
I do agree that he recognizes the other needs we have, and do believe as well that anything and everything we hear (and don't hear, that has a valid purpose as well) is for smoke and mirror purposes and nothing more. I love it. The less info we have means the less info the others around the league have and that provides us with a myriad of possibilities.
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The less info we have means the less info the others around the league have and that provides us with a myriad of possibilities.
This presumes that anyone in the NFL really cares what we're doing or not doing. Which, honestly, I doubt.
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For 35 minutes, Cleveland general manager George Kokinis stood behind the podium and addressed the upcoming NFL draft, trade rumors, injuries and the Browns' future.
He talked a lot.
He divulged little.
Perhaps concerned about tipping his hand before his first draft as a GM, Kokinis was guarded during just his second news conference with local media members. He opened his remarks by saying he would not address speculation about trades or roster decisions.
"Internal business is not something I'm going to discuss," he said. "It's just not the right thing to do First anyone with a brain knows you aren't going to spew up info that tips your hand..but I did like that Phil would discuss players , even if he wasn't interested in them..and he did leave a tip about a player he was eyeballing..you just had to read between the lines..
Internal businness ..BS..guess what?
This was a 4-12 team with few good players and little draft picks..it's isn't like one player is going to map this team to the SB  ..this military-esq secret stuff is crap..no one's gonna steal info if you talk about players..unless you aren't good at poker
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i agree that the 3 drafts is not sufficient support but i think we understand his mentality. if wr weren't a need, we'd say that mangini is not the type of coach to take a wide receiver at #5 and i think the same applies for qb. mangini doesn't strike me as the type who wants a qb to be a star before he even sets foot on the field for his first regular season game. jmho.
that said, i love all this smoke and mirror. we really have absolutely no clue what'll happen. we could go from only picking the ones we have to making a lot of trades and coming away with tons of picks... and everything in between. i love it.
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that said, i love all this smoke and mirror. we really have absolutely no clue what'll happen. we could go from only picking the ones we have to making a lot of trades and coming away with tons of picks... and everything in between. i love it.
It sure makes for some interesting conversation and next week is going to be a wild ride.
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First anyone with a brain knows you aren't going to spew up info that tips your hand..but I did like that Phil would discuss players , even if he wasn't interested in them..and he did leave a tip about a player he was eyeballing..you just had to read between the lines..
Internal businness ..BS..guess what?
This was a 4-12 team with few good players and little draft picks..it's isn't like one player is going to map this team to the SB ..this military-esq secret stuff is crap..no one's gonna steal info if you talk about players..unless you aren't good at poker
I'm just curious, what would it benefit you to know what they are thinking?
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i love all this smoke and mirror. we really have absolutely no clue what'll happen. we could go from only picking the ones we have to making a lot of trades and coming away with tons of picks... and everything in between. i love it.
Let's hope you (and we) love it come September.
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"If we are going to take Sanchez then BQ will be traded BEFORE the draft. We'll know before the draft whether or not BQ is the guy the front office wants."
will get to you dong in a bit...this first.
Sorry you have it completely wrong. There is no chance in heck we will trade BQ prior to the draft - we might have one or more deals all worked out. But the entire trade would be with the condition that we get the opportunity to pick Sanchez.
What if Seattle picks him (who I have said months ago is a prime candidate) and we already traded BQ??? then we are stuck. I don't believe we will put our eggs int the DA basket as our franchise QB...we could live with him as the starter for a season as Sanchez gets indoctrinated to the NFL.
But your BEFORE is a pretty wild idea - I can pretty much guarantee 99% sure we wouldn't do so until AFTER our pick is on the clock and Sanchez is available.
Also as I said if available and we don't take Sanchez...pfft there is no competition BQ is the man.
Dong... "was it a statement that phil/rac loved frye/DA's prospects when they passed up quinn for joe thomas? no. it doesn't seem to be the MO for our front office to take a qb in the top 5 and it sounds more like they want to build the team and fill holes, instead of adding more controversy. further, we won't take sanchez before dealing either or both qbs. there are only a finite number of teams who need qbs and if we were to do so, we lose in bargaining chips. sure an auction could start but they do not want to lose any shred of an upper hand in negotiations."
Wow, where to begin...I know its just your opinoin but still.
1. Your analogy of passing up BQ at #3 being the same??? No where close.
Frye was a 3rd round pick struggling and DA was a 6th round pick with 3 starts. How do you compare that to a QB that was taken in the 1st round and believing in him as the Franchise QB.??? Just a bad comparison.
2. You are trying also to establish an MO of our FO comparing it with the past FO??? How can you remotely think there is an MO established for our New guys thats pretty confusing. 
3. There will be no controversy at QB if we draft Sanchez at 5. No doubt BQ would be traded and DA might or might not be the starter for ONE SEASON.
4. I think you have a little poor regard for the current FO to be remotely prepared. I guarantee you we don't just then an there start shopping BQ after taking Sanchez. Are you kidding??? These guys would have the trade already signed and sealed the only wait was to see if Sanchez is available before making the trade.
Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the Commish didn't come to the podium when the Bengals are on the clock..."We have a trade to announce - The Browns trade BQ for ???"
But I'm still going on the premise that they believe in BQ...and no doubt in my mind we will know exactly how they feel when our pick comes around. I actually hope Sanchez is available cause I'd like to lay this to rest on what the new guys regard BQ as. As mentioned if they pass on Sanchez....they believe in BQ. If taken its self explained.
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1. Your analogy of passing up BQ at #3 being the same??? No where close.
Frye was a 3rd round pick struggling and DA was a 6th round pick with 3 starts. How do you compare that to a QB that was taken in the 1st round and believing in him as the Franchise QB.??? Just a bad comparison.
you never said anything about franchise qbs. i never compared frye/DA to quinn. the situation was still an exact match. you said
"But either way - Sanchez is there at #5 and we don't take him...means M/K love BQ's prospects.
They do take him...we can expect a trade later on."
my simple point is no, if we do not take sanchez, it does not mean M/K love BQ's prospects. there are a multitude of possibilities as to how m/k could not take sanchez and not love BQ's prospects. to better explain it, i brought up an example from the previous regime. they weren't sold that frye/DA would be the guy and quinn was available. they picked thomas instead. that doesn't mean they felt frye/DA were going to be great, simply that they recognized a greater need. the same thing can happen next saturday. sanchez could be available, m/k could think quinn/DA both suck, and they could still take someone else, like crabtree. that was my point. whether you agree with that or not, is up to you and your bias (not said in a negative light, just referring to the fact that you think BQ is a better prospect than DA).
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no, but this i addressed this to another poster. here was my response to him and it works with your point:
"i agree that the 3 drafts is not sufficient support but i think we understand his mentality. if wr weren't a need, we'd say that mangini is not the type of coach to take a wide receiver at #5 and i think the same applies for qb. mangini doesn't strike me as the type who wants a qb to be a star before he even sets foot on the field for his first regular season game. jmho."
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i only felt that way if we brought in someone like cutler. if we had cutler, you know we would've shipped both quinn and DA. taking sanchez, a junior with limited experience, he would naturally compete with quinn/DA, whoever isn't shipped (assuming he comes in on time, btw, who is his agent? not condon please). if the regime wants sanchez to sit, then DA would start and if he repeats 07, there'll be a controversy again. that said,
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not at all. afterall, i'm one of the few people here who believed from the beginning that, where there's smoke, there's probably fire. many people here drove their heads into the sand not wanting to believe quinn could be moved but i was not one of them. that said, you said "They do take him...we can expect a trade later on."
sorry if i misinterpretted but i read that to mean, if the browns selected sanchez with the #5 pick, then they will trade quinn. my point is, if we're on the clock, we want sanchez (and he's available), with the time we have, we'll trade quinn first, and then select sanchez. the reason being, as slight of a difference it is, we lose less of an upper hand in negotiations, however slight. again, if that's what you meant, that could've been clearer but my fault.
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i don't think it goes that far. i'd say that if sanchez is there and we pass on him, it means our staff believes they can win with one of of our two qbs or they have another plan in place. that said, i have a feeling one of our qbs is shipped anyways, so if we ship one and pass on sanchez, it probably says more about our coaching staff's beliefs in the prospects of the qb not traded. i think you know who i'm referring to
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First anyone with a brain knows you aren't going to spew up info that tips your hand..but I did like that Phil would discuss players , even if he wasn't interested in them..and he did leave a tip about a player he was eyeballing..you just had to read between the lines..
Internal businness ..BS..guess what?
This was a 4-12 team with few good players and little draft picks..it's isn't like one player is going to map this team to the SB ..this military-esq secret stuff is crap..no one's gonna steal info if you talk about players..unless you aren't good at poker
I'm just curious, what would it benefit you to know what they are thinking?
You didn't ask me but here's my 2 cents.I'm mad as heck at what the Browns have become. I'm looking for a reason to believe in this team again. The silent treatment gives me zero reassurance that this leadership is any better than the last and the one before that and the one before that.I want to like my team again and I don't want to wait until the games are played to do it. I guess it's the big baby syndrome in me.
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This has got to be one of the most pointless articles I have seen ... someone actually got paid to write this dribble? Damn, the draft can't get here soon enough!
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I just believe that Mangini and Kokinis know that if they win the fans will support. Personally I could care less about either of them, but when will I ever sit and have a beer with these guys. I am only concerned about the Browns winning games. Who the coach and GM are when they do this does not matter to me.
On Sundays, I will cheer and paint my face as always. These guys while maybe not likeable, will still try their best to win games. They have way more invested in this than we do. If they lose, I will still go to work the next day, they may not.
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this is the biggest transition since 99, not because its the latest, its because we are losing our fan base,
I dont like how they dangle a fan favorite (BQ) in front of us, 
this is total bs, i can see braylon, not brady.
it SICKENS thousands of browns fan.
you want more draft picks? we've been drafting since 1999
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I suspect to know Mangini´s secret...the Penguin wants Sanchez and now whe has a problem because it´s the world´s worst kept secret that SEA wants him too...or at least they fake the interest to generate a market for him....not sure. Here´s the bitter truth: Our new Butch Davis wants his own toys to play with and he wants Sanchez badly...how bad? He is set to trade up for him to get in front of the Hawks....if he really pulls off this epic fail, he better get rid of Quinn BEFORE the draft...for me it´s pretty clear that he dislikes Quinn....he needed a QB with the Jets and he drafted a CB...NOT the sliding Quinn at #14 that draft....if we move Quinn before the draft....be prepared for an Winslow-like uptrade to secure Sanchez....we would then have a similar QB with much less experience and blown a high pick and big money for it....for the sake of a Penguin´s ego just be prepared....the only thing I like about that scenario is that even the dolts would start turning on ManKok....cause the egomaniacs forget that Quinn is the fan´s most precious toy right now that said....this franchise is just too dumb...and it starts at the top...at the very top Be prepared for an epic fail draft...we´re just at the crossroads with this roster and the morons start all over again, great plan 
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He is set to trade up for him to get in front of the Hawks....if he really pulls off this epic fail, he better get rid of Quinn BEFORE the draft
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He's told you this? How can you know this for sure but a lot of the rest of us don't??? Really?
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have you ever thought that maybe just maybe we are showing interest to try and get teams to trade up with us? the way they have been so far "tight-lip" about everything i doubt this slipped out unless Mangini wanted it to. to me i see us doing a couple of different things,
first is making it look like quinn is going to be traded, this makes it look like we feel DA is the starter. that bumps DA's value.
second, we come out and say that DA is 100% and ready to play, no side affects from last years injury, thus bringing up DA's Value
third, this false report about us wanting sanchez. i think this is only be "leaked out" is to try and get teams who want a qb to trade up with us to secure him, or perhaps make a team ahead of us pick him up so a player that we want would drop to us at 5.
this is all just smoke and mirrors folks....the only trade on the wr front that might happen is Edwards. even tho that too could be a smoke and mirrors trick for a team that wants Crabtree.
i suppose that none of us will know untill next weekend when we hear that the Cleveland Browns are on the clock!
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I can't even respond any more.....this just gets sillier and sillier....
I agree...it's like some people are panicked and fans more of a player than of a team.
Oh well
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"my simple point is no, if we do not take sanchez, it does not mean M/K love BQ's prospects. there are a multitude of possibilities as to how m/k could not take sanchez and not love BQ's prospects."
Multiple??? Actually only ONE...they think DA is the Franchise QB this franchise covets
is the only response to that thought.
But its just opinion no big deal and not going to get into a  I expressed my opinion and you yours. No need to beat one into submission - I'll just let the posts and points speak for themselves
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I can´t post rumors, right? Thus I just adopted them (and this rumor is in the air for a while now..see Lombardi) and presesnted it as my opinion...just speculation of course but it DOES make sense....why would Mangini pass on Quinn at #14 2 years ago? When supposedly everybody thought he was a sure top 10 selection ....actually I think Kokinis revealed 1 thing for now: we won´t pick Crabtree...the way he pimped him we won´t draft him for sure also, we were involved in trade talks with DEN and Quinn was on the table...you just don´t put your franchise QB up for sale....we might as well keep Quinn but I´m now 100% sure that it would be just beacuse the price tag or value for Sanchez (Cutler or Quinn compensation etc) was not right...it´s all a matter of value and thus "when" he will be moved....could be AFTER the upcoming season....but it´s clear to me that Mangini isn´t a big Quinn fan...after all, it´s not HIS hand picked QB...every success he´d have with Quinn would scratch at his highness brilliancy because Savage and his gutsy draft day trade would be brought up this is Mangini btw  
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actually I think Kokinis revealed 1 thing for now: we won´t pick Crabtree...the way he pimped him we won´t draft him for sure
I was thinking the same thing after watching the presser ...
...although in retrospect Savage pretty much told us all along he was going to take Thomas so who knows ...
... I think these guys can only lie so much ...
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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why would Mangini pass on Quinn at #14 2 years ago? When supposedly everybody thought he was a sure top 10 selection
Hmm, could it be because he had only three picks to work with in the 2007 draft and drafted team needs? He certainly didn't waste that 14th pick since he got Darrelle Revis, a pro bowl corner.
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Didn't they already have a quarterback by the name of Pennington as well?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Not to mention Pennington was coming off a pretty good 2006 campaign. Quote:
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The 2006 season was a year of inspiration for Chad Pennington, as he came back from his second rotator cuff surgery to lead the Jets to the playoffs and win the Associated Press NFL Comeback Player of the Year.
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Yeah, the fragile Penny who entered 2007 at 31yo and with a magnificent 17/16 TD-INT ratio in 2006 who´s known to be a game "manager" and not changer ....he sure was the reason to pass on a franchise QB prospect the Jets had in their top 10 board and could have gotten at #14...oh, wait...maybe they simply did not have Quinn high on their board 
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Watch words: Quinn might exit for a Round 1 pick. Southern Cal’s Mark Sanchez might be drafted if he slips to No. 5.
I am officially losing my mind here.
1 Why do we want to trade and unproven qb (BQ) that has been around the NFL for 2 years
2 For an unproven qb (MS) that is still in college.
If someone could please help me understand the rationale behind this I would be most appreciative
There is no rationale with the Browns moves since Mangini arrived. I cannot support a team that continues to change all its parts every off-season. Corredtion, I cannot support a team that I don't believe is trying to win. The first point, I don't know how to root for a team that continues to change all its parts to have no identity. A fan like me cannot be fanatical about a team made up of parts that nobody knows will be there even week to week let alone year to year, because of the constant turnover of all parties considered, even coaches, GM's and all roster spots. To simplify the point, It is not that I don't want to root for the Browns, but how can I ? when I don't know who the Browns are ?
The second point is Even though I want to root for the Browns, (but can't cause I don't know who they are), and even though I would root for the Browns if I knew who they were... the 2nd point is I can't put my WHOLE HEARTED support behind a team that I'm convinced isn't trying to win, or more correctly (in my opinion) isn't trying to remain its strongest... where it is strongest. To put another way, a team that is trying to get weaker, aka, less experienced, less talented, less competitive.
What does this have to do with the Quoted rationale? It appears to me, some evidence the Browns moves are tending towards a less competitive Browns team, and that at least supports your asking of the question What is the Rationale?
The only answer I can come up with is the Rationale is the Browns are being STUPID! And one name is ( at least it is talked about as, because I have no way of knowing ) ... One name is behind everything the Browns are doing, Mangini. Or Mangini and Kokinis together.
The bottom line with me is, I can't be convinced they want to WIN THIS YEAR if they cut Edwards, or trade him or whatever, because I believe he's the best player on the team, one of them. If that's so, then I can't support the Browns until February 2010, and no chance of whole hearted support. Even if I wanted to give whole hearted support ... I don't know how I could since the Browns have no Identity, Nobody Who Anybody knows is even on the team. That is unacceptable to me as a fan.
So My new rationale is ... WHO CARES! unitl they make up the mind who or what they are as a team. WHO CARES! Because it is the sane thing to do. To care about a constantly changing thing is INSANE!!!
And those who'll insult my opinion, save your breath, and I'm sorry for wasting your time.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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The reason they didn't select Quinn could be one of many ... including the one you suggest. But that's the only one you choose to highlight because it supports your opinion ... hey whatever floats your boat ... doesn't matter though. You can believe it until you're blue in the face. And you can try to get everyone else to believe it as well ... won't make a bit of difference.
That was then, this is now. Whether Quinn is on this team after next Saturday won't have anything to do with what happened back then.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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It's Ok to vent Dawg.. Thats what the Board is for ( from time to time ) ...
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third, this false report about us wanting sanchez. i think this is only be "leaked out" is to try and get teams who want a qb to trade up with us to secure him, or perhaps make a team ahead of us pick him up so a player that we want would drop to us at 5.
That could be the case. And I pray everynight that it is. Combine success DoesNOT = NFL
Sanchez's 1 year of experience, playing all the tuff games at home, isnt the resume of a QB that I would want in a top 5 pick. Experience and an ACCURATE strong arm is.
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before they worry about the QB 
...... keep one for now 
..... and get the rest of the team right? 
