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http://www.opposingviews.com/articles/video-virginia-man-shoots-intruder-during-911-call - News report video in link A Virginia woman recently made a frantic 911 call as an intruder forced his way into her home. As she told the dispatcher what was happening, her husband shot and killed the intruder. Sheriffs have ruled it a justifiable homicide and no charges are being filed.
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And, if we take guns away from law abiding citizens, I have to wonder who may have died in this situation. If an intruder sees people home but breaks in anyway.........well, I would say it was justified. This isn't the wild west scenario where you go shooting just cause someone - to use today's slang - "dissed" you.
Where were the police to stop this? That's right, they were out on patrol, doing what they should be doing. I'm glad the homeowner was able to defend himself and his wife.
I'm not knocking cops - they can't be everywhere. They do the best they can, but when life is threatened, a homeowner ought to have the right to use prohibitive force without repercussion, as in this case.
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Maam Tell your husband to put the gun down.    I would have told the 911 operator he will put it down when the scum bag stops breathing
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 ....I wouldn't expect anything less !....   ....IF someone breaks in your house , they are a threat and should be dealt with accordly....
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This happened in my town, and actually know the couple this happened to. I used to do some farm work on his neighbors farm and pass the house all the time.
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And, if we take guns away from law abiding citizens, I have to wonder who may have died in this situation. If an intruder sees people home but breaks in anyway.........well, I would say it was justified. This isn't the wild west scenario where you go shooting just cause someone - to use today's slang - "dissed" you.
Where were the police to stop this? That's right, they were out on patrol, doing what they should be doing. I'm glad the homeowner was able to defend himself and his wife.
I'm not knocking cops - they can't be everywhere. They do the best they can, but when life is threatened, a homeowner ought to have the right to use prohibitive force without repercussion, as in this case.
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And, if we take guns away from law abiding citizens, I have to wonder who may have died in this situation. If an intruder sees people home but breaks in anyway.........well, I would say it was justified. This isn't the wild west scenario where you go shooting just cause someone - to use today's slang - "dissed" you.
Where were the police to stop this? That's right, they were out on patrol, doing what they should be doing. I'm glad the homeowner was able to defend himself and his wife.
I'm not knocking cops - they can't be everywhere. They do the best they can, but when life is threatened, a homeowner ought to have the right to use prohibitive force without repercussion, as in this case.
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lol put the gun down? how about ARE YOU ALRIGHT?
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j/c... If I buy a gun in the near future, is it possible that our anit-homeowner government will take it away? I would hope to be grandfathered in, but I'm not sure.... BTW, I will "put down the gun" when the INTRUDER leaves my house. Gotta love dispatchers. 
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If I buy a gun in the near future, is it possible that our anit-homeowner government will take it away?
Is it possible? Yes....Probable? No. "Assault" weapons would be the first to go, but a shotgun, a handgun, a hunting rifle? No, they will not be banned in the foreseeable future in my opinion. However, anything can happen.
My own opinion is any ban would be dictated by how the political climate goes - if the gov't. feels people are getting ready to revolt, you'll probably see a ban. (why people would revolt in an armed fashion against the gov't. is beyond me if, IF the military is still in play, i.e. following gov't. orders.)
Maybe I'm an optimist, but I do believe our gov't. realizes they cannot and will not take every gun. If a mandate like that came out.....well, it just wouldn't work, Nuff said.
What you probably WILL see is a more stringent limit on clip capacities. I don't agree with it, but. You will also see a limit on ammo production but probably more so on how much ammo a person may buy, and how much they may possess.
The way it is now, many people like myself could be considered to have a cache of weapons and ammo, when in fact most of my ammo goes to woodchucking, plinking in the backyard, and celebrating Browns scores and victories. Oh, and shooting clays.
I have probably 6 "cases" of shotgun ammo. 100 shells per case, that's 600 rounds. Some may call that a cache. I call it a months worth of clay pigeon shooting (in the warmer months and Browns season)
Well, you get the drift. Guns like you are probably looking for won't be banned. Ammo will be tough to get, and it will get tougher (but as of now it's not because of the gov't. - it's because of the reluctance of manufacturer's to produce more combined with an increase in demand)
You may, however, want to think about buying at a gun show as opposed to buying from a retailer. Anything you buy new, there's a paper record. IF the gun you buy from a retailer gets banned, you will have to pony up the gun, or offer up a "sale" paper.
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when in fact most of my ammo goes to celebrating Browns scores and victories.
 
Thanks for the rest of your post, Arch. I might shoot ya (no pun intended) a PM in the next week or so with some questions if that's okay.
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I've said this many times...but if the gov't was truly looking to take away guns from any faction, the last thing they would ever do would be to put any sort of ban on the guns themselves.
They'd likely use existing rules to take those guns away -- corruptly pegging those they didn't want to have guns as felons or mentally unstable.
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No problem. You know me - I'll give my honest opinion on any subject. 
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I've said this many times...but if the gov't was truly looking to take away guns from any faction, the last thing they would ever do would be to put any sort of ban on the guns themselves.
They'd likely use existing rules to take those guns away -- corruptly pegging those they didn't want to have guns as felons or mentally unstable.
I agree - although labeling someone as a felon, or mentally unstable would be tough to do for people that have no felonies or mental history. It really could be as simple as "raise the tax on ammunition by 500%" or something like that.
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I have probably 6 "cases" of shotgun ammo. 100 shells per case, that's 600 rounds. Some may call that a cache. I call it a months worth of clay pigeon shooting (in the warmer months and Browns season)
Knowing you, I call that a surplus due to a very unproductive 2008 for the Browns!
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I've said this many times...but if the gov't was truly looking to take away guns from any faction, the last thing they would ever do would be to put any sort of ban on the guns themselves.
They'd likely use existing rules to take those guns away -- corruptly pegging those they didn't want to have guns as felons or mentally unstable.
I agree - although labeling someone as a felon, or mentally unstable would be tough to do for people that have no felonies or mental history. It really could be as simple as "raise the tax on ammunition by 500%" or something like that.
I think it would be more difficult to raise ammo tax to a crazy nubmer than to do what I've suggested. The ammo tax would be something that instantly affected everyone...you'd have fervent unrest very quickly.
Picking people off one by one would be easier...you'd need something that doesn't rile people up until it happens to them. That how government suppress masses, historically IMO. Maybe not what I said...but a way to systematically pick off people or factions without disturbing the gen pop.
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I have probably 6 "cases" of shotgun ammo. 100 shells per case, that's 600 rounds. Some may call that a cache. I call it a months worth of clay pigeon shooting (in the warmer months and Browns season)
Knowing you, I call that a surplus due to a very unproductive 2008 for the Browns!
Yeah, I know. Back when I started doing that......heck I don't remember when it was 01, 02, maybe even 04? It got to the point where I was firing for a freaking first down and even then I didn't shoot much. My daughter used to come into the garage and say "daddy, there going to score, are you going to shoot?" And I'd have to say "no, honey, that's the other team that's going to score".
2 years ago was great. I looked into buying a cannon.
Last year, after the Giants game.....my next door neighbor is my pastor....I saw him the afternoon after the game and he wondered what time I got back from the game. I told him I hadn't gone, I was home. He said "but I never heard any yelling or shooting" and I told him, since it was a night game, I was trying to be a good neighbor and not wake people up.
But seriously, some people would say i have a cache of weapons and ammo. Compared to my next door pastor neighbor, I do. Compared to my neighbor down the road, I don't. And compared to the next neighbor, I have nothing.
And no one gets shot on our road......imagine that...competent gun owners.
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I think it would be more difficult to raise ammo tax to a crazy nubmer than to do what I've suggested. The ammo tax would be something that instantly affected everyone...you'd have fervent unrest very quickly.
I disagree....raise the taxes slowly while putting pressure on the manufacturer's.....bingo, you've got guns with limited ammo.
It would be darn hard to make a felon out of a legal gun owner that has no arrests. It would be darn hard to turn a guy into a mental patient when he has no history of problems. Much easier to say "taxes are going up", or "any gun other than a 6 shooter" is being banned. JMO
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Picking people off one by one would be easier...you'd need something that doesn't rile people up until it happens to them. That how government suppress masses, historically IMO. Maybe not what I said...but a way to systematically pick off people or factions without disturbing the gen pop.
To a large extent you are correct. Look at smokers.........they are taxed out of their ass. Why? It's easy to tax them, and those that favor larger taxes look at it as a "why don't you quit" thing.
Look at income taxes......it's so easy for people to say "ah, people making a lot of money ought to pay more in taxes, and more, and more" because "I could live on less than that".
Thank our govt'. for that lne of thinking.
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I would have told the 911 operator he will put it down when the scum bag stops breathing
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I'm not a gun guy at all... never owned one.. have no real desire to own one either. But if I somehow landed on the jury of this homeowner,, I'd find in his favor 100 times out of 100...
What the hell was the 911 operator thinking... Maam,,, tell your husband to put the gun down.... as if
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Maybe Peen can shed some light, but I will say this.
One, that it is a natural response for the 911 dispatcher to try to disarm a caller before police arrive.
Two, The suspect was down and no longer a threat, and the caller stated he was shot but still breathing. Being he is not a threat any longer, you are not allowed to shoot him again, and they have it on tape that he WAS still alive.
Three after all the events that have occurred and shooting a man, people are nervous, scared, and adrenaline is running. Anything to startle the gun-holder, could cause him to point and shoot, which could cause an innocent person, EMS or police to be shot.
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First, no one is taking your guns away!
I know the standard claim by the NRA is fueling and hyping the argument again, that a Democratic President is going to take your guns away. The fear and hype generated by the NRA and some gun owners has gotten so bad, that the guy who killed the 3 cops in Pittsburgh last month, thought Obama was going to take his guns away (just one issue he reportedly had with Obama), so he shot 3 police in cold blood with his AK-47... web page
Obama would never get the votes in congress "if" he pushed for gun control measures, which he is not. Many democratic senators and representatives would not support Obama on this issue so it's really a dead issue. Obama is not going to waste his time on an issue such as gun control knowing it would be voted down in Congress.
Obama will take the NRA's advice and enforce existing laws, already on the books.
On the subject of the 911 operator telling the wife to tell her husband to put the gun down...there is a reason the 911 operator does this...its so the responding police do not shoot the homeowner thinking he is the intruder.
The intruder had already been shot and was down, only then did the 911 operator tell the lady to tell her husband to put the gun down.
Just a little common sense, folks.
Again, we all need to be careful about what we say about "taking your guns away". We never know when a wingnut such as the guy from Pittsburgh might be pushed over the edge and take innocent lives over their paranoia that someone is going to take their guns...jmho...mac
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One, that it is a natural response for the 911 dispatcher to try to disarm a caller before police arrive.
I get that,, don't agree, but I get it
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Two, The suspect was down and no longer a threat, and the caller stated he was shot but still breathing. Being he is not a threat any longer, you are not allowed to shoot him again, and they have it on tape that he WAS still alive.
Where did it say that he was NO LONGER A THREAT... If he's still breathing, he's a threat in my book.
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Anything to startle the gun-holder, could cause him to point and shoot, which could cause an innocent person, EMS or police to be shot.
Yes, I suppose that's true, but with the 911 operator on the phone, the lady could have told her husband that the police had arrived...
But that's all supposition on my part,, never having been faced with that situation, I have no idea what the right way to react might be.....
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So the anchor screwed up when he said this happened in Vermont?
This is like the scene from a bad horror movie as he puts the gun on the table, turns to hug his frantic wife then turns back to see the guy on his knees with the gun in his hand...
I'll put the gun down under 1 of 3 circumstances, the police arrive, he stops breathing, or he makes a lunge at me and I shoot him again.
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Maybe it's just because I only hear the bad ones, but it seems like a lot of 911 dispatchers are not very good at their jobs.
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Where did it say that he was NO LONGER A THREAT... If he's still breathing, he's a threat in my book.
Man breaks through door, wife is screaming and terrified, husband shoots intruder, 911 operator asks wife what happened, and in a much calmer voice, the woman answers he broke through the door, and my husband shot him, he's still moving.
This leads me to believe although he is moving, he is on the ground and struggling to keep himself alive at this point.
Put the gun down doesn't mean hand it to the suspect. And honestly, I wouldn't put it down either, but damn, some of you are more interested in the dispatcher saying this than the fact there is a freak who broke into this couples house.
Trained 911 dispatcher or not, sometimes you just say what comes to your mind, and maybe that is the first thing that came to hers. There's no amount of training to deal with a frantic woman on the phone with a crazed man breaking through the front door.
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This leads me to believe although he is moving, he is on the ground and struggling to keep himself alive at this point.
See, right there is the flaw in your logic.,... you believe he's not a threat, but you don't know that.. that's what I was getting at......
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This leads me to believe although he is moving, he is on the ground and struggling to keep himself alive at this point.
See, right there is the flaw in your logic.,... you believe he's not a threat, but you don't know that.. that's what I was getting at......
Flaw in your logic is that if it's me, I would not have stopped shooting til he was dead to begin with. 
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I'm packing my shotguns and shells as we speak to sight in for turkey season.
The bill being pushed now will try to outlaw any shotgun with a pistol grip and or a multi magazine (above and beyond what the gun naturally holds)
It wants to eliminate guns with magazines includung some of my WWII collection pieces, M1 Garand, M1 Carbine.
I had the proposal but can't seem to find it. I'll try to hunt it up when I get back sunday night.
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I'm sickened that a man would break into an occupied home like that. I'm glad the guy had a gun and was able to defend himself, his family and his property.. hoooray for the 2nd Amendment while we still have it. Quote:
Trained 911 dispatcher or not, sometimes you just say what comes to your mind, and maybe that is the first thing that came to hers.
The very definition of "training" is to teach a person to handle a situation even if it means doing something OTHER THAN the first thing that comes to mind naturally. We have had countless threads on here where cops appeared to do what came to mind naturally... and those cops have been blasted on this site because they are TRAINED to respond differently.
Now we didn't get the whole call, but a couple things I didn't hear her say..
We are sending somebody over right now.
Are you and your husband ok?
What is the condition of the intruder?
Are you certain the intruder is alone?
All of which should be said BEFORE... tell your husband to put the gun down.
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I post a story about a crazed man breaking through the front door of a couple home, the husband shoots the man, and all you people are focused on is what some woman miles away on a telephone is saying.
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Nope...I'm bored and perpetuating threads for my own amusement.
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Flaw in your logic is that if it's me, I would not have stopped shooting til he was dead to begin with.
Well yeah! There is that
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I do have to be at work you know.
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Mac, Be quiet!!... You know that your statements are the ONLY THING the so-called lack of common sense gun people have!! "He will take our guns away"..Just say that, and the membership/dues money comes rolling in! BTW - as a Gun owner myself in the city with the toughest/some -times silliest gun laws ever made...AKA Wash DC, there not even coming here to take anyone's guns, let alone any place else!!..
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Good job. Next guy who wants to pull off a B&E will probably choose another house.
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Posted on this thread early this morning and see now that as often happens as of late, the board ate it. Damned FedEx! Here will try again: Quote:
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If I buy a gun in the near future, is it possible that our anit-homeowner government will take it away?
Is it possible? Yes....Probable? No. "Assault" weapons would be the first to go, but a shotgun, a handgun, a hunting rifle? No, they will not be banned in the foreseeable future in my opinion. However, anything can happen.
As mac alluded (great post btw mac) the NRA and others will have you believe that if the assault rifles are taken away then the shotguns and handguns will be right behind, and that is a load of horse manure. Assault rifles are made for one reason and one reason alone, and that is the rapid elimination of human life during a waged conflict. There is NO REASON for any citizen to own these firearms.....I don't care if you are a "collector" or whatnot they should be eliminated entirely from citizen ownership and the penalty for being found to be in possession of one should be severe. I own guns....have hunted for years and am qualified for concealed carry if I choose to do so......and I firmly stand to my statements above.
As Mac mentioned, the psycho in Pittsburgh was under the belief that the govt would take his guns away......and that aint gonna happen.......but they damned sure should have enacted laws so he couldn't ambush those 3 police officers with an AK.
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