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Cleveland Browns should trade Braylon Edwards: Terry Pluto
by Terry Pluto/Plain Dealer Columnist
Thursday April 16, 2009, 8:35 PM
Since George Kokinis said so little at the Browns' pre-draft news conference, I'm going to take the general manager at his word when it comes to Michael Crabtree.
Kokinis likes Crabtree . . . a lot.
He likes the Texas Tech receiver because "he makes plays, he gets in the end zone."
He knows that Crabtree has a screw in his foot to repair a stress fracture, but Kokinis "has a comfort level" with the receiver's chances of making a total recovery.
While Crabtree was not healthy enough to be timed in the 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine, Kokinis said that based on film study and scouting, "He has enough speed for me."
Which is why I expect them to trade Braylon Edwards to the New York Giants, and why they should make a deal that hopefully would bring the Browns the 29th pick, a lower-round draft choice and an all-around receiver/special teams player in University of Akron product Domenik Hixon.
Braylon Edwards a franchise player? The Browns may have to pay a franchise player salary to retain him.
There are several reasons for trading Edwards, starting with the fact he has led the league in dropped passes and doesn't want to play here. He is a free agent after the season -- possibly only restricted, it depends upon what happens with the labor agreement. But restricted or unrestricted, he wants a huge contract.
The Browns have to ask if they truly consider Edwards a franchise player because they'll have to pay him like one to retain the Michigan product. Also consider his belief that Browns fans don't like him -- and how he made it clear during the 2005 draft that he didn't want to play in Cleveland.
Trading Edwards would leave the Browns with tight end Steve Heiden and running back Jamal Lewis as their leading receivers from a year ago with 23 catches. It means the current wideouts would be Syndric Steptoe, David Patten and possibly Joshua Cribbs.
I still make the deal.
If linebacker Aaron Curry somehow falls to No.¤5, I'd take him and look for receivers later in the draft. Assuming the Browns add the 29th pick from the Giants, they'd own four choices in the top 50. There is some speculation that up to six receivers could go in the first round.
If they miss on Crabtree, perhaps Missouri's Jeremy Maclin, Kenny Britt of Rutgers, Maryland's Darrius Heyward-Bey or Florida's Percy Harvin are available late in the first round -- or some of these wideouts might fall into the second round.
Is drafting a wide receiver in the first round a risk?
According to research by Mike Florio of the Sporting News, there have been 37 receivers picked in the first round since 2000. He rates 16 as "quality contributors with their original teams." Some of the names on that list are Larry Fitzgerald, Lee Evans, Mark Clayton, Javon Walker, Andre Johnson, Santana Moss, Santonio Holmes, Plaxico Burress and Edwards.
So it's about a 40 percent success rate. He rated 14 of 29 running backs (48 percent) and 12 of 23 quarterbacks (52 percent) picked in the first round since 2000 as good selections, so that's slightly higher than wide receivers (16-of-37, 43 percent).
Yes, they can miss on a wide receiver. Or maybe they pick a guy with better hands than Edwards. And they also should consider signing a veteran receiver such as Torry Holt to help in the film room and on the field. Most of all, they should wave goodbye to Edwards and bring in more draft picks.
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Notes From Lombardi: Sunday Edition
FROM MICHAEL LOMBARDI:
12 April 2009
Happy Easter Sunday…
1. Trade winds are blowing, and the Cleveland Browns seem to be making the most noise of any team. I hear from more than one NFL team that the Browns have a No. 1 pick on the table for Brady Quinn and are looking for more. However, it appears to the teams that I’ve talked to that the Browns will make the move to trade Quinn. There seem to be two teams very interested. They also will move Braylon Edwards and have at least a No. 1 pick on the table right now. Expect the Browns to have their team reshaped by the time the draft ends.
2. The Browns are really in love with Michael Crabtree at No. 5.
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Which is why I expect them to trade Braylon Edwards to the New York Giants, and why they should make a deal that hopefully would bring the Browns the 29th pick, a lower-round draft choice and an all-around receiver/special teams player in University of Akron product Domenik Hixon.
Someone asked me yesterday if I would do this deal if it were me. My reply?
Where do I sign?
I've been against trading him, but if they want to give us this in return then I pull the trigger.
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Giants Consider Options in Search for Top Wideout
By JOE LAPOINTE The New York Times
Published: April 16, 2009
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — Now that the Giants have cut Plaxico Burress and have shown no inclination to re-sign Amani Toomer, they need at least one big wide receiver.
One option would be to trade for available veterans like Anquan Boldin of the Arizona Cardinals or Braylon Edwards of the Cleveland Browns. Because of the Giants’ recent signings of free agents, they have an abundance of defensive linemen and 5 of the first 100 picks in the April 25-26 N.F.L. draft.
Should the Giants choose not to deal, they could use the 29th choice for someone like Kenny Britt of Rutgers. He knows the way to Giants Stadium.
Britt, a native of Bayonne, N.J., is 6 feet 4 inches and 215 pounds, and he set the Big East career record of 3,043 receiving yards in only three seasons. That included 87 catches for 1,371 yards last season. Jerry Reese, the Giants’ general manager, knows him well.
“He is a nice college prospect,” Reese said Thursday at Giants Stadium. “We have looked at him, just like we have looked at the rest of the nice college prospects. We have interviewed him.”
The crop of wide receivers is thought to be of a good vintage, and the position has more sheen than ever after the impressive playoff performance of Larry Fitzgerald, who helped the Cardinals to the Super Bowl, then nearly helped them win it.
Other top receivers are Michael Crabtree of Texas Tech, Jeremy Maclin of Missouri, Hakeem Nicks of North Carolina, Darrius Heyward-Bey of Maryland, Percy Harvin of Florida and Derrick Williams of Penn State.
But the Giants need immediate help, and Reese said rookie receivers needed more time than other players to adjust to the professional level.
“Defenses are so different in the N.F.L.,” Reese said. “You just can’t line up there and think you can run your route because defenses change. You have to read defenses on the run. It may be a little more difficult for receivers.”
But Reese did not care to discuss the five-year veteran Edwards, who is 6-3 and 215 pounds. Edwards caught 55 passes last season for 873 yards, including three touchdowns, but had numerous drops. “That is someone else’s player,” Reese said. “He is under contract. There is a lot of chatter, a lot of false reports.”
Boldin, 6-1 and 217 pounds, is a different case. The Cardinals have said they will listen to trade offers for him. He is a seven-year veteran who caught 89 passes for 1,038 yards last season, including 11 touchdowns. He may be obtained for several draft choices.
“For the right player, you do whatever you can to make it happen,” Reese said. “I don’t know if that is the best thing for us to do, to package up a deal that valuable. We like our draft picks. We won’t force anything.”
In recent free-agent signings, the Giants have added defensive tackle Rocky Bernard (from the Seattle Seahawks), defensive lineman Chris Canty (from the Dallas Cowboys) and linebacker Michael Boley (from the Atlanta Falcons).
In a trade package, they could include any of them or some of last season’s defensive linemen, like Mathias Kiwanuka, Justin Tuck, Jay Alford, Barry Cofield or Fred Robbins.
Or they could stand pat with receivers like Steve Smith, Domenik Hixon, Mario Manningham and Sinorice Moss.
“I think people are panicked a little bit about receivers,” Reese said. “We are not panicking about getting a receiver.”
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Forget the draft pick(s)...if we could get Kiwanuka + 1 of Hixon/Cofield for BE I would do that deal in a heartbeat
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If the Browns like the deal that is reported to be on the table for Braylon from the Giants, they may want to secure it, if possible, before the Giants change their mind and make a trade for Boldin... web page
It would not be the first time that a draft deal blew up just before draft day.
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has anyone brought up us and Arizona swaping star recievers?
they get BE and we get Boldin. Both guys need there contracts redone and both guys want a change of scenery.
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roc...I seriously doubt that Mangini wants a Boldin for Edwards swap.
Mangini has a history of making deals to secure draft picks to forge a base of young players to rebuild his new team with. Mangini did it with the Jets and as I have stated since Mangini was named our HC, it was likely he would employ the same draft strategy in his first year as the Browns HC.
If Edwards is traded, look for Mangini to fill his position via the draft...jmho...mac
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Which I think would be a better fit for both teams.....they throw the ball all over the field, and deep alot, which Braylon is good at.....and we need a WR than is more of a possesion type player...especially in the winter months....but, Boldin will command a huge raise, and I don't know if we are willing to do that right now......IMO, it would be alot better to try and do that, than to trade BE for a #1.....you just don't know what you might get out of Crabtree, Macklin, Heyward-Bey, Hicks, or Britt....or any other of the WR's in the draft......I'm assuming that we will still try and get a WR in the draft anyways, for a #2 WR, but I would feel more comfortable with a #1 WR already on the roster before the draft......
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has anyone brought up us and Arizona swaping star recievers?
they get BE and we get Boldin. Both guys need there contracts redone and both guys want a change of scenery.
That'd be interesting and done for the sake of changing teams. My guess is Edwards wants in the Big Apple b/c it's more than just a football team there. It's NYC.
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The Gnats will not be giving up Kiwanuka or any of there other DLman any time soon ... last year they had two things kill them down the stretch .. 1. they got tired in there front 4 and got RAN ALL OVER starting in the Iggles game in week 14 or 15 ... 2. Plex shooting himself .. this hurt there own run game more than most are willing to admit .. they FIXED problem #1 .. they now have DEPTH on the DL again and will not CREATE a problem there while trying to solve the other one .. there to smart for that .. I wish it would happen also ... BUT NOT A CHANCE IN HELL they will do that ... and I want nuttin to do with Hixon .. he is a one dimensional DROP MACHINE ... if we got him it would be strictly for ST's .. as that would be the ony place he'd actually contribute in a positive manner at on a consistent basis .. and we need some one for BQ to throw the ball to ..  I have no probs with whatever we do with Brey .. if he stays here he will have a MONSTER YEAR as its a contract year for him and he is a SELLFISH player that plays for himself .. so this sets up well for him ... and if we trade him and get a 1st and another first day pick or a WR that runs good routes and has good hands ... that'd suit me fine also ... and I'm with eo on this one ... we best not draft Crabtree at #5 .. that would be a DUMB ASS move ..
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ok, i just thought of something last night, yesterday someone explained the rationale behind the new regime trading BQ, it made sense, I didnt agree with it, but I could see the rationale.
The jist of the explanation was maybe mankok wants to bring in his own QB, again I can see the rationale just dont agree with it.
But why not at least give BQ 1 year then make that decision. There is a good chance that BQ can be a very capable QB in the league. I say give him a year to see what he can do, this organization has already made an investment in him, starting all over again at that position by trading BQ and drafting a QB is pure craziness to me.
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The jist of the explanation was maybe mankok wants to bring in his own QB, again I can see the rationale just dont agree with it
The Issue I have with that is that neither guy, Mangini or Kokinis, has been involved with drafting a great QB... Well, maybe Kokinis has with Flacco,, but who knows how much influence if any he had on that decision..
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The jist of the explanation was maybe mankok wants to bring in his own QB, again I can see the rationale just dont agree with it
The Issue I have with that is that neither guy, Mangini or Kokinis, has been involved with drafting a great QB... Well, maybe Kokinis has with Flacco,, but who knows how much influence if any he had on that decision..
If you are going to say that Kokinis was around for the Joe flaco draft pick. You have to say that Mangini was around for the Tom Brady Pick
Personally i hate the whole argument that Says "they have never done it before, Therefore , hey will not be able to do it now. "
Just because someone has no experience or track record does not mean that they will not be able to do the job, and do it well. If that was the case then nobody would be hired out of College or High School.
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If you are going to say that Kokinis was around for the Joe flaco draft pick. You have to say that Mangini was around for the Tom Brady Pick
Not a good comparison... Kokinis was in the front office, Mangini was a grunt assistant coach the year Brady was drafted..... Apples and Oranges.
As for Mangini and the Jets,, whos that guy he picked up in a later round.... Kellen Clemons? Hasn't set the world on fire,,, but honestly, I don't know he's had the opportunity to do so either..
As for someone that hasn't done it before not being able to do it now,, not saying that. What I'm saying is that track record isn't there.. Never said they coudln't do it..
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The Issue I have with that is that neither guy, Mangini or Kokinis, has been involved with drafting a great QB... Well, maybe Kokinis has with Flacco,, but who knows how much influence if any he had on that decision..
Just too add there, My question is if they dont think BQ has what they want in a QB, than obviosly they see something they like in DA. Not saying DA hasnt been involved in trade talks, but we just havent heard it. It scares the pants off me and you dont want that but this "NEW Regine" see's something in DA....enough to offer BQ in a trade..and if so what is it because he's been hinding it from us 200 million browns fans for the last 2-3 years, maybe it's just trade value, we can get more for BQ than DA but to me that shouldnt be enough or smart to trade just to trade, if BQ dosent have what we want ok trade him, but please dont say DA has what we want... trade them both or keep BQ we've seen what DA can do.
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I don't know if Mangini and Koke favor Quinn over Anderson or Anderson over Quinn. I think its more about what they can get for either QB. Lets say they like BQ a little more then DA but they have an offer for BQ of a 1st rnd pick and only have an offer of a 4th rnd pick for DA, even though they like BQ a little more maybe they decide to stick with DA and trade BQ, so they can improve the team in other areas. Or again vice verca.
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I think it's a matter of they feel they can't keep both, because they know it will bring division amongst the people, and then you have reporters poking and prodding, and misquoting, then one misquote gets taken wrong among the team and team division happens, etc , etc, etc.
Too much negative energy, can drag down all the positives.
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has anyone brought up us and Arizona swaping star recievers?
they get BE and we get Boldin. Both guys need there contracts redone and both guys want a change of scenery.
Why would Arizona even consider this? 
They don't want to pay Boldin big money to be #2, but they'd be happy to pay Edwards more money to be their #2?
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For a tight lipped regime saying how much they value a prospect, its usually to throw someone off on who their really getting or to make their pick more valuable in a trade. So if Kokinis is expressing a lot of interest in somebody, Im not thinking thats the direction they are going with the 5th pick.
Like when Butch Davis was enamored with Duckett and you didnt hear one word about William Green. Savage didnt tip his cap towards Thomas either. You heard how much he loved Jamarcuss Russels size or how he knew him a long time ago in in football camp or how he would trade up to get him but Davis isnt budging off his 1st pick.
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If you are going to say that Kokinis was around for the Joe flaco draft pick. You have to say that Mangini was around for the Tom Brady Pick
Not a good comparison... Kokinis was in the front office, Mangini was a grunt assistant coach the year Brady was drafted..... Apples and Oranges.
I understand what you are saying, but I don't totally agree. We have no clue how involved either Kokinis or Mangini was in directly making the decisions to draft flacco or Tom Brady, but they both were present to witness the decision making process in some form or another.
We as fans have clue how the ultimate decision to draft any player was reached by any team, and by what process and who was involved and how it unfolded every step of the way. All we know is that each team turned in the card to the commissioner to make the pick. We know who in theory has the ultimate decision on whose name is written on the card, but not the process.
So while comparing Kokinis being on the staff and maybe (I did see that you quantified that statement in your first post) involved in drafting Joe Flaco to Mangini being on the Patriots staff when they draft Tom brady is probably comparing apples to oranges. The fact of the matter is that we know so little about how either one of those decisions were made and who supported who in the Patriots and Baltimore camps, that stating either one is a track record for how Mangini or Kokinis will draft is not based upon anything substantial.
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As for Mangini and the Jets,, whose that guy he picked up in a later round.... Kellen Clemons? Hasn't set the world on fire,,, but honestly, I don't know he's had the opportunity to do so either..
Did Mangini pick Clemons or did the Jets GM?
I honestly don’t know, and that is the problem. We like to think we know, but we don’t. Instead 99 percent of the time on here you see a poster associate good picks with the person they like and associate bad picks with people that they don’t.
For Instance, who was responsible for Picking Vernon Gohlstien in NY.
I bet a majority of the people who like Mangini will say that it was the Jets GM, and the majority of the people who do not like Mangini will say that it was Mangini.
We can look at the draft history of the teams our front office came from, to try and decipher how Mangini and Kokinis will draft, until we are blue in the face, but we know so little about how those decisions were made in the first place, that there is no data to draw a valid conclusion from.
But of course we are on a football message board in April and what else are you supposed to do while you are waiting for the season to start?
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As for someone that hasn't done it before not being able to do it now,, not saying that. What I'm saying is that track record isn't there.. Never said they coudln't do it..
I agree. I don’t think that you were actually saying that. That last statement was more for the board at large. I think that there are a lot of people who are ready to form an opinion on Mangini and Kokinis if they do not handle the situation how they think that it should be handled. There have been rumblings spread around the board that basically say. “if the Mangini and Kokinis don’t do x, y and Z with the Qb position then they are morons.” And this is all before the Browns ever take a meaningful snap against an opponent under their leadership.
Some of these poster will point towards the fact that in the past they never drafted or had a great QB so therefore they cannot evaluate the QB position. I just think that is a faulty assumption.
I guess my point is, that the past is not always a great predictor of the future, especially when you know next to nothing about the past that you are trying to evaluate the future by.
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I understand what you are saying, but I don't totally agree. We have no clue how involved either Kokinis or Mangini
Geez man.,. go back and read what I originally wrote and you will see that that is what I said... I know we DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT of thier involvment..
So basically, if you take what I said, then we DO INDEED AGREE...... Geesh
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Brady was a 6th round pick,, I seriously doubt a ton of thought went into that pick... I doubt that a grunt Defensive or offensive coach has much say anyway... but on a 6th rounder,,, probably none...
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The GM picked him, but you don't take anybody without the HC knowing and either agreeing or being overrulled... knowing what we know of Mangini,, do you think he was overrulled at all? Especially coming off that first year when he was called ManGenius.... I'd say there isn't a chance in hell he didn't have the final say on Clemons...
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I bet a majority of the people who like Mangini will say that it was the Jets GM, and the majority of the people who do not like Mangini will say that it was Mangini.
Or, they could say what I said which of course you didn't account for did ya....
FIrst off, in an organzation like the Jets and now the Browns,, the GM will make the call, but no way he makes that call without the HC agreeing.... As Kokinis said in his presser yesterday,, a consensous will be reached... I figure it was the same way with the jets....
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We can look at the draft history of the teams our front office came from, to try and decipher how Mangini and Kokinis will draft, until we are blue in the face, but we know so little about how those decisions were made in the first place, that there is no data to draw a valid conclusion from.
Geez, all I said was that neither one appears to have been all that involved with drafting a winning QB and we get all this.... wow... what if I had said something really provacative.... Yikes.....
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Geez, all I said was that neither one appears to have been all that involved with drafting a winning QB and we get all this.... wow... what if I had said something really provacative.... Yikes.....
I was just trying to clarify my position. And yes I think we are mainly on the same page. I just do not think that I explained myself well in the first post.
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Geez man.,. go back and read what I originally wrote and you will see that that is what I said... I know we DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT of thier involvment..
So basically, if you take what I said, then we DO INDEED AGREE...... Geesh
yeah that was bad wording. That was the first sentence that I wrote of my response and I should have changed it when I proof read my post; as how I was planning on phrasing my response and how I actually phrased it changed.
What I should have said is this. "I understand why you see the Brady and Flaco and situations as apples and Oranges comparison, but I think that there is some Common ground between the two situations."
The second half of the quote, Is the part that I believe you took exception to and I was not trying to say that we disagreed there. I think we both agree that we know very little about how each of these two players were drafted in the first place. I think that this was a misunderstanding brought on by poor grammer and sentence structure on my part and I apologize for that.
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Brady was a 6th round pick,, I seriously doubt a ton of thought went into that pick... I doubt that a grunt Defensive or offensive coach has much say anyway... but on a 6th rounder,,, probably none...
True, but my point was not that he had a major say in Brady being drafted, but instead that he was there to witness how and why it was done. He was also around to see how Brady was transformed from a lowly 6th round pick to a top 2 QB in the league. Mangini does have experience with an organization adding a quality QB to their roster.
While their roles might have been different, they were both present to witness and participate in their previous franchises adding a quality QB. They also around for their organizations draftign QB who did not work out.
Hopefully they learned from both situations.
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The GM picked him, but you don't take anybody without the HC knowing and either agreeing or being overrulled... knowing what we know of Mangini,, do you think he was overrulled at all? Especially coming off that first year when he was called ManGenius.... I'd say there isn't a chance in hell he didn't have the final say on Clemons...
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I bet a majority of the people who like Mangini will say that it was the Jets GM, and the majority of the people who do not like Mangini will say that it was Mangini.
Or, they could say what I said which of course you didn't account for did ya....
FIrst off, in an organzation like the Jets and now the Browns,, the GM will make the call, but no way he makes that call without the HC agreeing.... As Kokinis said in his presser yesterday,, a consensous will be reached... I figure it was the same way with the jets....
Did I account for that? no, but I should have, since you are a very intelligent and well thought out poster.
My Vernon gholstein analogy was meant to prove the point of how many posters on the board like the use the lack of factual data on a particular subject to prove their point. Since nothing is set in stone, they spin it to fit their point of view. Not that you do or were doing that in this instance. it was more an observation on how these discussions tend to go.
It did seem like you were trying to trap me with the Clemons questions, but I still answered it as truthfully as i could.
I don't know who is responsible for that pick. But I do know that Mangini was part of the descision, and I agree that most of the decisions were probably consensus decisions, and Kellen Clemons is most likely a busted pick.
That being said. I do not know how much Mangini learned from the Clemons pick.
There are two many missing variables when examining past drafts to be able to use them and say with confidence what Mangini and Kokinis are going to do in this years Draft. Especially since they have not worked together in the leadersip roels before.
Once again I am not sure i was too clear, but I have to get some work done this afternoon.
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Did I account for that? no, but I should have, since you are a very intelligent and well thought out poster.
Finally, something we can all agree on  
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crazyotto from the locked thread.
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In response to me claiming Winning as the cure all that once we
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Sorry winning on a regular basis is more than one season to me. I'm talking once we are a competitive team season after season.
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contemplating and providing insight tip your cap to braylon for giving back to our community, cut the losses and go. i hate to see it play out like this 
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Does anyone think the Eagles can draft a better WR than Braylon Edwards with their 1st round pick?
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Does anyone think the Eagles can draft a better WR than Braylon Edwards with their 1st round pick?
Will anyone they draft late in the first demand $10 million a year?
I think that's the only thing holding this up. BE wants too much $$$$.
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Does anyone think the Eagles can draft a better WR than Braylon Edwards with their 1st round pick?
Will anyone they draft late in the first demand $10 million a year?
I think that's the only thing holding this up. BE wants too much $$$$.
And probably why a deal for him hasn't been announced....the teams who might be interested haven't been able to agree on terms with him.
I doubt a team is going to trade for him without having a deal worked out,
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How was Vegas Peen... did ya win?
I thought a deal was offered for BE by the Giants.. didn't they offer a 2nd, 5th and a player?
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"Does anyone think the Eagles can draft a better WR than Braylon Edwards with their 1st round pick?"
probably not but I know they couldn't come close to a LT of the caliber of Peters in the draft. That cost them their #28 + , I don't think they are going to trade their remaining First rounder to us for BE.
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just my hunch, but i think a deal is done- maybe with the eagles, maybe now less likely the giants. It will be announced when the pick arrives on the clock-- one thing Mangini and Kok have managed to do is put a lid on "internal" business. The Winslow deal came out of nowhere, national media had no clue it was happening until it was done. I think the same thing is happening here. The team, player, agent--- they are all told to stay quiet until it happens. Heck, the player/agent might not even know- wasn't Winslow kind of cought by surprise?
I am speculating here, but i think the #21 pick is heading to Cleveland. I think this for a simple reason, the trade with the bills. The bills gave their probowl left tackle away. How did the Bills not insist on the #21 in that deal??? I think the #21 was as good as gone in preliminary talks with the browns, or at the least the eagles knew their higher pick would trump the giants #29 in a bidding war for BE.
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Was listening to the Eric Kasilious(sp) show this am and he was interviewing a NYGs reporter. The guy said Reese is planning to be back in contact with the Browns mid week. His sources in the Giants organization believe the following trade will take place: Edwards for a 2nd and 4th this year and a conditional pick next year.
Take it for what it's worth.
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Edwards for a 2nd and 4th this year and a conditional pick next year.
i think that's a bad deal for the browns. unless the conditional is a first next year (and there would be nothing conditional about it as far as i am concerned.)
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Was listening to the Eric Kasilious(sp) show this am and he was interviewing a NYGs reporter. The guy said Reese is planning to be back in contact with the Browns mid week. His sources in the Giants organization believe the following trade will take place: Edwards for a 2nd and 4th this year and a conditional pick next year.
Take it for what it's worth.
Damn it...We need that 29 pick...
We brought Barwin OLB Cincy in last minute...
At 29 is where a Nicks or Britt will sit...Unless we go Crabtree at 5...Then we have several options at 29/36/50...
Curry ILB
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Was listening to the Eric Kasilious(sp) show this am and he was interviewing a NYGs reporter. The guy said Reese is planning to be back in contact with the Browns mid week. His sources in the Giants organization believe the following trade will take place: Edwards for a 2nd and 4th this year and a conditional pick next year.
Take it for what it's worth.
Damn it...We need that 29 pick...
We brought Barwin OLB Cincy in last minute...
At 29 is where a Nicks or Britt will sit...Unless we go Crabtree at 5...Then we have several options at 29/36/50...
Curry ILB
Britt WR
Delmas S
Barwin OLB
I agree i would love to have the 29th pick, but i just don't think its going to happen.
We here have placed an unrealistic high value on Edwards...he simply isn't worth a 1st rder
if we get a 2nd and a 4th for Edwards it will be a good deal
Look at what the Raiders got for Randy Moss? yes Randy Moss was had for a 4th rd pick
Edwards is no where near Randy Moss...should not even be mentioned in the same sentence
if we get 2nd and a 4th or 5th and a player(dixon) that is a good deal....Edwards is not worth a 1st as much as i hate to burst peoples bubble..he is just isn't
Windows had 2 1000 yard seasons and was a far more proven pass catcher then Edwards and we didn't get a 1st for him...its unrelistic to expect a 1st rder for a guy who had 1 good year, and had record drops last year, and can't consistently catch a ball if his life depended on it
I will say one thing though, If the Browns can get Robiskie from OSU they better pull the trigger on the kid...he is very "Reggie Wayne" like...the kid was taught to "reach out and catch the ball with his hands" he NEVER uses his chest to catch the ball like Edwards does
im not saying use a #5 on Robiskie...but in the 2nd rd...if he is there...he is the most polished receiver in this draft...he is a Keenan McCardel/Reggie Wayne type of receiver with decent speed and very reliable hands...he could be a solid addition for this team.
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Windows had 2 1000 yard seasons and was a far more proven pass catcher then Edwards and we didn't get a 1st for him...
Winslow is also playing on 1 1/2 knees ...... and will likely be down to 1 knee in a couple of years.
I was amazed they got what they did for him.
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Was listening to the Eric Kasilious(sp) show this am and he was interviewing a NYGs reporter. The guy said Reese is planning to be back in contact with the Browns mid week. His sources in the Giants organization believe the following trade will take place: Edwards for a 2nd and 4th this year and a conditional pick next year.
Take it for what it's worth.
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If we pull the trigger on that, we'd be idiots. If that's the case, you keep him for another year, we could still grab Crabtree as the contingency plan, and you address it again next year ...
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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