Quote: Just like I been saying for the last 2 months ITS BRADY TIME BABY .... and we just HELPED HIM ALOT .....
Now the draft is done and BQ is still here .... so until the so called "comp" is over (THERE WILL BE NO REAL COMP .. EVERYONE IN BEREA KNOWS WHO THE CLEAR CUT STARTER IS ... ) I will have to listen to all the DA dreamers fantasies about him winning the battle and how BQ wasn't annointed and that Jeanie/coke don't like him ...
and just like about the trade BS i WILL BE RIGHT AGAIN and after the year .. OUR QB POSITION WILL BE SETTLED FOR THE NEXT DECADE ...
ITS BQ TIME BABY!!!!!
This is really funny.....What has Quinn proved? Honestly? what has he proved?
Rewatch the Buffalo Bills tape...Quinn is easier to gameplan for than Anderson.....honestly he is.....
The Bills did the SAME EXACT THING Tressel and the OSU Buckeyes did to Quinn in the Bowl Game
1. Stack the LOS 2. Bring pressure up the middle
Quinn folded like a deckl of cards ALA Charlie Frye......
Teams DO NOT respect Quinns arm because he CAN NOT beat a team deep.....Quinn "Rarely" throws a ball over 25 yards with any accuracy at all.
Mark my words...if Quinn Starts, teams will merely stack the LOS and bring pressure right up the gut....and until Quinn can lob a ball 30+ yards over their head and make them pay deep.....he will struggle
Peyton Manning has a cannon Tom Brady has a cannon Ben Roth has a cannon Matt Hasselbeck has a cannon Eli Manning has a cannon Tony Romo has a cannon Donovon McNabb has a cannon
Quinn does not have a great arm.......he has an "adequate arm"
As for Anderson does "Not" fit Mangini's Offense? how do you figure
Tom Brady is a "Immobile" POCKET passer with a cannon arm......seems like he did just fine...Tom Brady is not mobile at all.
Anderson has the same caliber arm as Brady does.....and is still young.
Brett Farve(who has a terrible short passing game) seemed to do quite well under Mangini
Again, Farve has a cannon......Farve and Anderson have a lot of similiarities...Farve made MANY boneheaded throws in his life time..one minute you scratching your head sayin g"what was that INT" the next minute he makes a ridiclous throw for a TD that makes you say "wow how the did he do that!?" Farve has thrown more INTS then any QB in history..yet he won a SB and appeared in another...then again his team had a good Defense and good players around him.
Fact: Ozzie Newsome tried to get Anderson back off of us. Fact: Bill Bellichik said "Anderson is a very talented QB"
Anderson has thrown 29 TDS and made a Pro Bowl....what has Quinn done? 1 decent game against the worst pass defense in the league....im not convinced.....
All I am trying to say is this:
Don't write off Derek Anderson...the kid works hard, he has "EVERYTHING" you want in a franchise QB he has a strong arm, makes quick reads, rarely gets sacked, and has great pocket awareness......he is a good young QB
Personally..our former QB Coach stunk.....There is a reason Mangini is hanging on to Anderson....that reason is "he" sees the same potential in Anderson that Newsome, Bellichik, and other NFL Scouts see...
Many people put way "too much" on the QB.....its a "team" sport
when the "team" palyed well, Anderson played well....when the team played "bad" So did Anderson
The bottom line is out OL did not play as well as they did in 2007...we couldn't run the ball, and our receivers couldn't catch....many people put too much blame on Anderson for things and its unfair.
Quinn would have fared no better, I mean both QB ended up on IR that should tell you our OL and the inability to run the ball was the major problem along with dropped balls.
The bottom line is....Anderson is a young coachable kid who has more "upside" then Quinn does...
if you go back to 2007 and watch the Steelers games, BOTH of them...when Anderson was brought into the game and Frye was Benched(game 1) and the 2nd Steelers game, and the 1st Steelers game last season you will notice ONE thing changed from previous years.
The Steelers played more "off" Defense then they EVER have before...they blitzed, but they did NOT stack the line near as much as they used to....why?
Because they know Anderson has a cannon and can chuck the ball 40 yards downfield in a flash and they were scared of getting beat deep thats why
Anderson on the field actually helps our running game because teams have to respect his arm......
I am partial to Anderson because I prefer a strong-armed pocket passer....they are usually the most successfull QB in this league...they are tried and proven. I feel with some good coaching from Carl smith, Anderson can return to his 2007 form or even better than that....and we won't be having this conversation anymore.
If Mangini choose Quinn, so be it....but Mangini, like Bellichik, is not the type who will stand around and let Quinn tank our season...Quinn better produce or Mangini will go to Anderson...and he won't wait like Romeo Did......
If Quinn gets the nod, I hope and pray he does well, I want him to succeed because he is a Brown, but to throw Anderson under the bus...a guy who won more games for us since the 94 season, broke club records, was voted MVP by his team mates, made a Pro Bowl, and threw 29 TD passes in a season...is just frankly disingeniuous....honestly it is...
Quinn has proven "nothing" he may be the savior, he may also be the next Rayan Leaf....afterall, Ryan Leaf won his 1st 2 games as a NFL starter, we see how that turned out..
just get off the Quinn worshipping allready, Anderson has proived more then he has...Quinn hasn't even played or been at an elite level before...Anderson has...When Quinn is laughing in Hawaii with Peyton Manning, Randy Moss, and others, then we can talk...until then...Quinn is nothing more than an unknown.
We haven't seen enough of Quinn to know either way.....Quinn is known for holding the ball too long, and getting happy feet...sound famlair(Frye) I hope coaching has cured him of those traits...or he will have a rough career....atleast we do know Anderson gets rid of the ball and don't take unnecessary sacks...
You make a strong argument, I admit. Good points. Anderson has some good traits, and is a weird & wacky QB: he can amaze you one quarter, the next quarter he look truly awful. If we're winning i can tolerate the sometimes bonehead decisions and bizarre habit of throwing short/medium passes that are horrendous beyond belief. Every time he drops back to pass I have a mini-stroke, though. I prefer Quinn's smarts & accuracy, which I think are more refined that Derek's.
Tom Brady isn't an immobile BTW. He's slow afoot, but he can move well in the pocket. Granted he also has had a lot of time to throw, too. As for pressure up the middle, if you get good pressure up the middle you can rattle any QB i'd imagine. Don't know about ND's centre when Brady was there, but Having Fraley "man" the middle wasn't too effective in 2008.
IMO we have to see what Brady can do. If a QB competition is too close to call in minicamp and TC, we have to give BQ the ball to open 2009, if for no other reason than to get the unknown over with... one way or the other.
If he were to falter, DA gets one more shot somewhere down the line. Sounds fair to me, in that scenario. I just don't know if he'll be a good match for the style of offense were purportedly going to run.
Call me crazy, but if there is a competition and RATLIFF plays as well or better than last preseason with the Jets, We will not see Quinn or DA under center week 1. Think about it, Ratliff is more familiar with the system going into camp than anybody else on our offense.
Just a peak at all of our QBs, lol. Had to post even though we all saw it last year.
Quote: Mark my words...if Quinn Starts, teams will merely stack the LOS and bring pressure right up the gut....and until Quinn can lob a ball 30+ yards over their head and make them pay deep.....he will struggle
It depends.
Quinn prides himself on how prepared he is and how accurate his short game is...so if he sees or can recognize the blitz, then there is a much easier way to beat it: Throw it to the spot where the blitzer is coming from.
That is why I love that we drafted two guys who can catch the ball. Throw Robo into the middle of the defense and let him be the safe route/biltz beater. He is going to give blitzing defenses nightmares.
Quote: Quinn prides himself on how prepared he is and how accurate his short game is...so if he sees or can recognize the blitz, then there is a much easier way to beat it: Throw it to the spot where the blitzer is coming from.
Exactly. There in lies DA's biggest weakness. When pressure got to him (as it often did last season) he was sometimes unable to make the read, and when he did, he missed the easy short throw. Quinn is good at making those kinds of reads and is very accurate in the short game. I do, however, think our line will be better this year, and I think that gives DA a chance.
I do like Brady Quinn more than Derek Anderson. But I think it is foolish to give Brady the job right now. We haven't even had one mini camp yet so we have no idea who has the upper hand.
I don't think Brett Ratliff will compete for the starting job unless both DA and Brady stink up the place.
Also, by the start of the regular season, I expect the loser of the QB competition to be traded.
U all can kid yourselves all U want .. THERE WILL BE NO COMP ... Anderson could not carry BQ's jock ... YOU'LL SEE .... Bottom Line ...
ITS BRADY TIME
No chance eh? I don't buy that
i was lambasted on here for saying Mangini's 1st rd pick would be OL..i said Smith at #5..i didn't know we would trade, BUT i was still right...we went OL...just as i knew Mangini would.
Also, Mangini didn't draft Quinn, as a matter of fact, Mangini was "Shopping" Quinn..that is fact...of course he won't admit that in the news
Mangini is no way tied to Quinn...also, Ratliff has a better arm then Quinn does...Mangini is very high on Ratliff...he may be our starting QB..the kid has talent...Mangini was developing him in NY to be the eventual sucessor to Pennington after he realized Clements wasn't it.....don't underestimate Ratliff...the kid has a good strong arm, knows the system and is smart....just because he was undrafted don't make him a bum..Kurt Warner bagged groceries for petes sake
The ONLY reason Quin is still here is because Mangini couldn't get the draft picks(a 1st and 2nd) for him.....had a team offered that, Quinn would have been out of here on the 1st bus out the gate.
Mangini is just like Bellichik..NO ONE will get handed anything here....not even Quinn...Quinn couldn't even beat out DA last year....Mangini is here to "win" and if Quinn isn't head and shoulders above Anderson in trainging camp and preseason, he won't start
If Anderson has a stellar preseason and training camp, Quinn will be on the bench again....Mangini is no fool...he knows a Pro Bowl QB like Anderson is not a easy to find commodity.....
mrk my words Anderson will come to camp motivated will work his tail off and win the job...Anderson knows he is the better QB...most of the team is behind DA anyways
rumors are Quinn is not well liked in the lockeroom....there is a reason Smith socked him in the nose....that DOESN'T happen to a guy that is liked....Quinn is a prima donna...he is a stuck up, cocky, arrogant guy...he rubs folks the wrong way....its evident....why was the team so upset at Anderson being benched? Willie G took the blame for blowing two leads and admited that wasn't DA fault, but there fault.
DA had us in position to beat Baltimore and our D blew a 13 point lead....they blew it...not DA...same said for the week before...
DA is the better prospect IMO.....
As i said before, If mangini goes with Quinn, fine...i'll support it...but just like Bellichik..if you think Mangini will allow us to go 0-3 like romeo your crazy..if Quinn falters early, Mangini will yank him in a heartbeat, same goes for DA
BOTH qb's will be on a short leash...there not mangini guys and mangini don't tolerate losing and ineptitude....
i hope i am wrong about Quinn, but I don't think I am....Quinn needs to prove "early" that he can chuck the rock 30 yards downfield and burn D's for stacking the line, if he don't do that...it will be a long season......
teams don't stack the box against Da because they respect his arm....can the same be said about Quinn? well The Buffalo Bills sure didn't respect his arm...and look how that turned out...Quinn got ate alive...had DA been in that game we woulda murdered the Bills...
Ratliff interests me as well. I don't know much about him, but I do know Jets fans were somewhat high on him. But, if he showed that much promise he would have went into a competition with Clemmens as the team's starting QB
And I disagree with you about the team and DA vs Quinn. I haven't seen anything from Shaun Smith to make me believe that he might not be a complete jerk. He comes off that way in interviews, and while he plays hard, he dances around like a jerk sometimes too. Winslow said Quinn should be the QB also.
I don't want to lose Quinn without knowing what we have, but a QB competition isn't exactly what we need. I sure hope we trade one of DA or Quinn at some point during camp. I don't want both on the team this season, it will only divide the team and spark controversy/distraction in the media.
I have seen DA, and even at his best he's no star. Last year re-affirmed that. I know he's not our guy, I'd like to see what Quinn can do............
Shaun smith is just a big happy fun guy...he does his dancing and antics on the field for pure humor...the guy is known in the lockeroom as a big joker
why would Smith hit Brady Quinn?
Also, Why did none of the other players step in and stop it?
Answer: Because Quinn was acting like a cocky punk, so Smith socked him one...Quinn probably deserved it
When is the last time you ever heard of your teams starting QB getting punched in the face by a teammate? think about that...why?
There is more to it then Smith being a jerk...Quinn had to have "instigated it" or said something to tick him off...Quinn is that way...he is cocky and arrrogant and sometimes don't know when to shut his pie hole....Winslow was the same way....remember team mates rolling their eyes at him at times....
Maybe Quinn has grown up a bit since then, but I do know last year that much of the team was upset that Anderson was benched when all he did was work hard, and guys like Edwards got a free pass and were lazy bums.....take it for what you will.....
Anderson got a raw deal...even though the Romeo era is over, Anderson did not play bad enough to lose his job considering the circumstances.....I would venture to say...Brady was throwing the defensive squad under the bus and he got punched for it
Brady had to do something to extremely make Smith mad enough to hit him...as smith has never hit any teammates of his in his years with Cincy or here prior to that and had noi history of it...
what did Quinn do to make Smith so angry? I bet it wasn't nothing good thats for sure.
but as I said..i will sit back and see....but I don't think we have seen the last of DA...not by a long shot,..
Quote: Shaun smith is just a big happy fun guy...he does his dancing and antics on the field for pure humor...the guy is known in the lockeroom as a big joker
Did you type that with a straight face?
Smith is a loudmouth jackass who will be lucky to make it through cuts because of his crap on and off the field.
here's how i viewed the whole thing: if one person had to be in the wrong, who would more likely FORCE the franchise to keep the whole thing quiet? for example, would we know all the details if smith was wrong and sucker-punched quinn? probably. example: steve smith sucker punched ken lucas, that got out very quickly. now, if smith decided to risk his entire career, knowing he was punching the most popular guy in cleveland who was also the QUARTERBACK, AND the team made sure NO ONE leaked the details, doesn't that mean that quinn did something to provoke it? or at the least, that he could be just as wrong? probably.
that's how i view it.
further, the one guy who supported quinn vocally, is the guy who caught 10 passes from him in a game. yea, i think k2 liked quinn, just like he liked frye...
Quote: here's how i viewed the whole thing: if one person had to be in the wrong, who would more likely FORCE the franchise to keep the whole thing quiet? for example, would we know all the details if smith was wrong and sucker-punched quinn? probably. example: steve smith sucker punched ken lucas, that got out very quickly. now, if smith decided to risk his entire career, knowing he was punching the most popular guy in cleveland who was also the QUARTERBACK, AND the team made sure NO ONE leaked the details, doesn't that mean that quinn did something to provoke it? or at the least, that he could be just as wrong? probably.
that's how i view it.
further, the one guy who supported quinn vocally, is the guy who caught 10 passes from him in a game. yea, i think k2 liked quinn, just like he liked frye...
I want to be clear.
I don't care if he punched Quinn. That doesn't mean crap to me. I don't care if his teammates do not like Quinn either, as long as they respect him.
Now as for Smith...he is a loudmouth jackass. He was well before he hit Quinn, he will be long after he hit him.
we know smith is a jackass. the point is our qb did something to make a professional, term used loosely, jeapordize his career to punch him in the face. you can say that's not an issue but if the teammates doesn't like the guy, that's an issue and that's what knight is talking about. further, just because you don't like smith doesn't justify anything that quinn may or may not have done. that said, it's pretty easy to choose quinn over smith, to the point of blind support. just sayin.
whether or not you agree with it, i was merely offering a take that supported knight's opinion.
Seems like you are completely in-the-know with respect to that incident.
Maybe BQ and Smith get on each other's nerves & rub each other the wrong way. I'd bet these kind of incidents happen fairly often in pro sports but we rarely hear about them, as it should be. One guy did/said something to bother another guy, tensions get heated and one thing leads to another. It happens. I've seen teammates get in minor scrapes at hockey practice, then make up and laugh about it afterward.
One isolated incident doesn't make BQ arrogant, or disliked by teammates. Either way, at least he can throw a simple screen pass unlike some other QB we know.
Quote: we know smith is a jackass. the point is our qb did something to make a professional, term used loosely, jeapordize his career to punch him in the face. you can say that's not an issue but if the teammates doesn't like the guy, that's an issue and that's what knight is talking about. further, just because you don't like smith doesn't justify anything that quinn may or may not have done. that said, it's pretty easy to choose quinn over smith, to the point of blind support. just sayin.
whether or not you agree with it, i was merely offering a take that supported knight's opinion.
i'm not in the know at all. i'm merely speculating with unbiased reasoning. i think it's crazy how, when the news of the incident first came out, it was automatically smith's fault; that quinn could do no wrong.
it's just common sense to me. if smith was wrong, we'd know all the details by now up to what he hit quinn with. and again, the most recent example being steve smith clocking ken lucas. we knew right away everything that happened in a matter of a day. it's clear that the franchise, who we all know now was very loose-lipped, made EVERY possible attempt to make sure the details didn't get out. all we every got was a player confirming that something happened and i am sure he had a good tongue-lashing for that. all you have to do is ask yourself why the last organization made sure we didn't know what happened and it makes sense. it's entirely possible that the guy isn't popular in the locker room. we just don't know.
you're absolutely right though, that one incident doesn't necessarily mean anything but we all know that one d-bag that we all wanted to see fail. project those feelings at that person, then make him the qb of the cleveland browns, who is unconditionally loved by the legions of fans for doing nothing, and see how you feel then. and as to thebigbaddawg saying the teammates don't need to like quinn, just respect him, let me ask you, you ever respected that d-bag in my previous example? just sayin.
no, just connecting dots for an alternate theory that is clearly something most fans wouldn't want to believe.
not even saying i believe it, just speculating. it just makes sense imo, but then again, i was the guy who thought there was a conspiracy in the nfl to keep certain teams down (just kidding on the conspiracy part)
You are correct about Ratliff. Neither Quinn nor Anderson knows the offense as well as him. And he's a Mangini boy.... He will end up being the back up to either Quinn or Anderson. Mark my words.
Somebody (maybe eo?) before the draft said that he wanted Sanchez to be their at five- we would then get some conclusion because we would know what M/K thought of our QB's. WE got our answer. If Mangini and Kokinis were not sold on either Quinn or Anderson, you know what, they would have drafted Sanchez. End of story.
Here's my prediction: Quinn wins the QB battle. DA is traded once a team loses their starting QB early in the season. Ratliff is the backup with potential.
For sake of arguement and devil's advocate , what if Ratliff wins the competition outright and Quinn is dealt for higher picks (possibly a round 2 or 3 next year) and we hold DA as our backup QB? Will those with a man love for Quinn curse this organization regardless of how much more success Ratliff may have here?
I personally don't care as long as someone produces an effective offense , but I do love the heated QB debate. It's quite humorous to see how angry and livid people get on here when personal favoritism distorts reality.
i think you're on to something. everything i've read before, if i remember correctly, is he's somewhat a blend of quinn and DA. strong arm but mobile and mangini loves his intelligence. when i saw the trade, i took it as a sign one qb was going to be traded and the other was the starter but it's starting to look like a 3-horse race and ratliff has to have the early lead...
what an anticlimactic ending to the DA vs quinn argument if that's how it shakes up though lol
just noting for clarity: steve smith sucker-punched ken lucas during training camp with many members of the media around. the panthers had no choice in that story getting leaked as it happened in the open.
Quote: i'm not in the know at all. i'm merely speculating with unbiased reasoning. i think it's crazy how, when the news of the incident first came out, it was automatically smith's fault; that quinn could do no wrong.
I think it was more likely viewed as Smith's fault because he's the one who struck a fellow employee. Plain and Simple it was wrong.
It was well known that Smith was a smart-arse when he jokes around. haven't you ever had that one buddy that didn't know when to quite? Possibly Brady got fed up and threw a verbal zinger at him that hit too close to home for Smith. Smith assaulted his teammate. the phrase, He can dish it out but can't take it comes to mind.
Having said all that, for all I know Quinn is a huge D!*kH$@D. I just wanted to point out that your view was not ironclad. we weren't there and we don't know.
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what you described is entirely possible. i don't think my theory is iron-clad but i think it makes the most sense given all the parameters i described before.
Make way for Favre (just got released according to newspaper) who is now available. The Ratter moves up stronger because A) knows Mangini's system and mindset. B) Also knows receivers as well as Quinn the Eskimo and Drek Anderson. Need a vet. We can't start camp without at least 6 quebeez on roster, so let's get it on.
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Quote: Anderson got a raw deal...even though the Romeo era is over, Anderson did not play bad enough to lose his job considering the circumstances
You know I suppose if you hadn't seen the games you might be able to say something like this. Or if you're his agent or mother. But I know you saw the games so I gotta say....Really? A raw deal? Didn't play bad enough to lose his job? Damn, man, he should have been benched at halftime of the first Cincy game.
I'm not a big fan of this QB competition BS but I'm not the coach. I also must say that if Quinn can't beat out DA he deserves to be traded. But I also think that looking at how many QBs are apparently going into training camp plus the trade for Ratliff I gotta believe that the loser of the "competition" is gonna get traded if they can make any kind of fair deal. Unless, of course, Ratliff wins the competition then who knows what will happen. (Although, I can't see Mangini dumping a guy he just traded for unless he gets caught in a compromising position with a farm animal).
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Barring injury :knocks on wood: I can't see Quinn NOT being our starter next year. Quinn has all around a better game and head. Anderson just has the deep ball and made no progression on reading a defense and hitting the short routes.
When Anderson is in the game, I get flashbacks of when Garcia was here.... I just don't know what the heck he is going to do with the ball... They have different styles of play, but they both make hasty decisions w/ the ball when they get in trouble... That's my opinion atleast...
I feel more comfortable w/ Quinn in there... He just seems like he has control of the game, from what I've seen.
There are three things I'm hoping for this season...
1) We establish a run game early in the season. 2) Braylon has an outstanding year, and limits drops. 3) One of our new drafted WR steps in, and becomes a solid number 2.
Quote: if Quinn can't beat out DA he deserves to be traded.
If he can't beat out DA he wouldn't get DIDDLY IN RETURN .. whats he worth if he can't beat out DA .... a 4th .... cause DA ain't worth much more than that ...
Ratliff has ZERO CHANCE OF STARTING ... thats a pipe dream fellas ... but i see thats gonna be the anti - BQ's clan new motto ... cause there running out of crap now that the draft has come and gone and Sanchez was available and BQ is still here ...
I WONDER WHAT all the BQ loathers will be saying come Oct. when DA has more splinters than pass attempts ... gives me sumptin to look forward to ... *L* ..
I know I stated in some QB posts as we were nearing the draft that I wished Sanchez to be there when we picked. (Posters were saying they hope he's gone fearing we would take him and not rest our QB situation)
I wanted Sanchez there for two reasons.
1. If we had questions about BQ as all the media were quipping no doubt in my mind we were going to take Sanchez. If we passed up on taking Sanchez that can mean only one thing to me. They know that BQ is their Franchise QB.
2. I knew also that Sanchez would be the only prospect that could gain the needed interest in our #5 slot to garnish a good return in moving down.
So as this is all said and done....I cannot think of a more direct statement that M/K know BQ is their guy than what we just see transpire. Trading the rights to take Sanchez.
I know there will be a cry of ....What about DA...lol Come on what about him?
Nobody showed interest in him. Actually our ploy backfired. We tried to put BQ n DA on the same plane to raise DA up to BQs level and gain more interest in him...instead our "COMPTETITION" statement only LOWERED BQ to DA's status of being available for trade and that is who all the teams approached us for. Not DA.
DA at best is a Question mark full of Can HE??? Again if BQ n DA were truly equals thats would mean BQ was just as much a ??? as DA then again we would have drafted Sanchez and traded BQ.
JMHO - glad we now KNOW who our QB is and that M/K think that he's a FRANCHISE QB
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Actually our ploy backfired. We tried to put BQ n DA on the same plane to raise DA up to BQs level and gain more interest in him...instead our "COMPTETITION" statement only LOWERED BQ to DA's status of being available for trade and that is who all the teams approached us for. Not DA.
I suspect many of us had that feeling that this is what was going down.
To use a mangled version of the Parcell's cliche -- DA is who he is. He is the same guy I watched years ago on the blue turf that would throw a 35 yd laser on one play, the most inaccurate pass I ever saw in my life on the next one, and then an interception on the third. He would look like Dan Marino on one drive and Ryan Leaf on the next. He put up 34 points that night, but contributed as much towards Boise State's 50+
He is who he is.
Can you see him standing on the podium and lifting the Lombardi? If not, then lets move on.
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, what if Ratliff wins the competition outright and Quinn is dealt for higher picks (possibly a round 2 or 3 next year) and we hold DA as our backup QB? Will those with a man love for Quinn curse this organization regardless of how much more success Ratliff may have here?
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Come on what about him?