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I really like the Brady Quinn/ Brian Robiske combination. I can see these two becoming best buds and working on that chemistry on/off the field for years to come....throw in Alex Mack and Joe Thomas you've got the making of some good young talent to build around. I hope Robo comes in and shows the current crop of receivers how to work....work in the weight room, film room, and his hands. I think it could be good for someone like MM to see how he works as I'm sure Robo will be a coach and fan favorite especially if he can get some early success.
I wish that I could add Braylon to that mix, but I'm not sure he'll be here for 2009 and even if he is, he clearly wants out. If he were to get his head (and hands) on right, those five players could be major cornerstones, all under the age of 26.
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I wish that I could add Braylon to that mix, but I'm not sure he'll be here for 2009 and even if he is, he clearly wants out. If he were to get his head (and hands) on right, those five players could be major cornerstones, all under the age of 26.
I'm not so sure.
If Braylon is here, this is a contract year for him. He had an absolutely great 2007, followed up by an ugly 2008. If he repeats what he looked like last year in 2009, that takes a lot of money out of his pocket.
Look for Braylon to keep his mouth shut and focus on football. He may realize that teams didn't want to trade for him because the felt he wasn't worth the money, so he has to prove his worth now. He may end up having a solid campaign this year.
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I wish that I could add Braylon to that mix, but I'm not sure he'll be here for 2009 and even if he is, he clearly wants out. If he were to get his head (and hands) on right, those five players could be major cornerstones, all under the age of 26.
I'm not so sure.
If Braylon is here, this is a contract year for him. He had an absolutely great 2007, followed up by an ugly 2008. If he repeats what he looked like last year in 2009, that takes a lot of money out of his pocket.
Look for Braylon to keep his mouth shut and focus on football. He may realize that teams didn't want to trade for him because the felt he wasn't worth the money, so he has to prove his worth now. He may end up having a solid campaign this year.
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He may end up having a solid campaign this year.
I absolutely agree. If our O-Line blocks for the QB and the QB is able to throw accurate passes, I expect Braylon to do his job better this year and make the plays he made in 2007.
Sure, he won't catch every pass. And he'll even drop a pass or two in big games: but he'll definitely be better than he was last year.
Robiskie and the guy from Georgia are some newfound competition for Braylon, and I don't think he wants to be shown up by an OSU guy who'll prob be a fan favorite
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The focus should be the Anderson To Edwards Combo.
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Are you suggesting it was easy for teams to fpcus on Edwards with Winslow out and Steptoe as the #2 receiver?
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I don't think he(BE) wants to be shown up by an OSU guy who'll prob be a fan favorite
oh man, that should make for some good stories...... Maybe BE will finally get over the Michigan thing- and both players will realize that they are Browns now.
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oh man, that should make for some good stories...... Maybe BE will finally get over the Michigan thing- and both players will realize that they are Browns now.
Or Braylon gets jealous that Robiskie gets a "free pass" for the OSU background. (despite the fact that, ya know, Biskie does everything the right way and Braylon gives up on routes and drops passes)
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I don't think Wojo is talking about him coaching anyone, that's no the way I understood it anyways. I got the impression he was talking about Robo in more of a leadership role to the new rookies coming in, and maybe provide a mirror for the older guys around that may have developed bad habits. Plus, I don't care how young a person is compared to others, but if they have the charisma and wisdom to lead, then people follow. We're naturally hierarchical and look to a leader for guidance.
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oh man, that should make for some good stories...... Maybe BE will finally get over the Michigan thing- and both players will realize that they are Browns now.
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oh man, that should make for some good stories...... Maybe BE will finally get over the Michigan thing- and both players will realize that they are Browns now.
Now if the fans could realize this as well!!!
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I don't think Wojo is talking about him coaching anyone, that's no the way I understood it anyways. I got the impression he was talking about Robo in more of a leadership role to the new rookies coming in, and maybe provide a mirror for the older guys around that may have developed bad habits. Plus, I don't care how young a person is compared to others, but if they have the charisma and wisdom to lead, then people follow. We're naturally hierarchical and look to a leader for guidance.
That's what I meant......Lead by example, not necessarily words. If Robo is working his arse off and getting more opportunities then maybe it will serve notice to some other players that may not be doing the same things. Not sure who those other players are, but I really think he'll end up being a silernt leader
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I didn't have a problem with it.................But now that I know he's got a Buckeye stuck in his craw, I'm starting to 
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I wish that I could add Braylon to that mix, but I'm not sure he'll be here for 2009 and even if he is, he clearly wants out. If he were to get his head (and hands) on right, those five players could be major cornerstones, all under the age of 26.
I'm not so sure.
If Braylon is here, this is a contract year for him. He had an absolutely great 2007, followed up by an ugly 2008. If he repeats what he looked like last year in 2009, that takes a lot of money out of his pocket.
Look for Braylon to keep his mouth shut and focus on football. He may realize that teams didn't want to trade for him because the felt he wasn't worth the money, so he has to prove his worth now. He may end up having a solid campaign this year.
That's great for 2009, but until he signs a long term contract with the Browns I don't really consider him part of the core nucleus going forward. I'm not even sure he'll be here in 2009 as I could envision a trade prior to training camp happening ala Jeremy Shockey last year. I hope he's motivated, plays well, and signs a deal with us, but i think the chances of that happending are slim at this point as I'm not sure the front office and coaching staff really like him.
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Might even look better with a QB that has a strong arm that can throw it deep to these guys.... ie, DA.
I agree when it comes to BE, but these two rooks will need the QB to have more "Touch" than arm strength. IMO I'll be looking (and Hoping) for chemistry, like Peyton & Marvin used to have. QB knowing where receiver will be (good route-running), and receiver having the ball there and catchable "In Stride" coming out of his break.  I don't care which QB is throwing as long as he gets the job done! JMHO Go Brownies!!
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I hope Robo comes in and shows the current crop of receivers how to work....work in the weight room, film room, and his hands. I think it could be good for someone like MM to see how he works as I'm sure Robo will be a coach and fan favorite especially if he can get some early success.
Maybe we can just bring in his mentor to do the coaching and mentoring ... his dad!
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That's great for 2009, but until he signs a long term contract with the Browns I don't really consider him part of the core nucleus going forward. I'm not even sure he'll be here in 2009 as I could envision a trade prior to training camp happening ala Jeremy Shockey last year. I hope he's motivated, plays well, and signs a deal with us, but i think the chances of that happending are slim at this point as I'm not sure the front office and coaching staff really like him.
I wonder if there will be any friction between Braylon and Robiskie. Seeing as they are from two hated college rivals, and BE seems to have this idea that his college career has sabotaged his chances of ever being welcomed in the city of Cleveland. Maybe Robiskie's maturity will help Braylon to move on---and maybe they can work to help BE get his head together.
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if Braylon and Robiskie develop have problems because of the Michigan-OSU rivalry, I'd have to say they're both emotionally retarded.
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According to an article in the PD,, Terry Robiskie was happy that his son was going to play next to BE because BE is like a son to Terry.. or so Terry said. He want's BE to take the young man under his wing and work with him.
Frankly, I find that a scary prospect for young Brian... I don't want him picking up any bad habits from BE...
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I hope so Lamp,, Brian Robiskie is a good kid.. I live here in Aurora and know a few folks that live in Chagrin Falls who've met him., real straight up kid.. good kid.. I'd hate for anything to change that.
While discussing character issues yesterday, Trent Dilfer said,, whatever a kid is before the draft,, he's the same after the draft, just with more money.. If that's true.. then Brian will be just fine. And guys that had problems before, Aren't going to change except with more dough..
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If there is any fan on this board who does not like Braylon BECAUSE OF the fact that he went to Michigan, please speak now.
A comment like seems stupid to me because people don't even realize that him going to Michigan is one of the reasons he's disliked.
While I think Braylon had an awful year last year, people would not have been so hard on him if he was a ohio state boy.
Say what you want, that's what I think. And that's not because of last year, that's really from three? years ago when he came back from his knee injury ridiculously quickly, had a sub-par year, and then was attacked by many fans who called him a jerk when he yelled at the O-Lineman in a game where they weren't protecting Charlie Frye. Had it been Joe Jurevicious who screamed at the lineman he would have been praised (of course after the fans realized that he was attacking the line and not Frye).
People were so pissed at Braylon for attacking Frye, then when they found out it was the O-Line, they didn't say "thank god, someone needed to say something" but instead they simply changed the attack to Braylon should keep his mouth shut and play ball. That was among other things that year..........And you can say, Hey Braylon should concentrate on his own faults, but the fact is, the O-Line that year sucked a lot more than Edwards and they needed to hear that. when they finally blocked for the QB the next year, Edwards did well.
Braylon might have went about his drops last year in a better way, taking more blame on his shoulders for the offense's dissapointing season.
But there are definitely plenty of fans, including some members on this board, that let the fact that he went to Michigan affect their opinion of him.
That's from a fan who could care less about OSU. It's what I have noticed my time reading these boards which dates back to before we drafted Kellen Winslow.
So yeah, while no one will speak up because they might not want to say it is so or might not realize it, I definitely believe this is the case with Braylon. Among his other faults which make Cleveland fans hate him (yes he screws up routes and drops the ball, and he always seems to drop it at important times!), the fact that he went to Michigan Univ. definitely plays a role in the magnitude of people's feelings. It's as if the fact that he was a Wolverine made people bring a bit magnifying glass over his downsides and a bit of a black curtain over the things that he is good at.
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Hopefully by his actions not with words Robo teaches Bray. If not he will be taken as a prima donna on the team.
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I would expect that they would already know each other quite well from Terry's days here and that if there is anything between them, it is merely a friendly thing - two kids giving each other a good ribbing sorta thing.
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If there is any fan on this board who does not like Braylon BECAUSE OF the fact that he went to Michigan, please speak now.
Ya know, I've never ever heard anyone say they hate BE because he went to Michigan.. not even once have I heard anything like that.... EVER
BE doesn't want to admit this, but IF (and that's a big if) anyone in his family was being yelled at by fans in Cleveland, it had NOTHING to do with him being a michigan guy and EVERYTHING to do with him dropping passes and in general being a pain in the butt..
I think BE is using that as an excuse.. If a player for the browns wants adored.. all he has to do is play well and we'll embrace him... No problem.. none whatsoever.
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I agree and disagree....I agree that he probably gets it worse because he is from Michigan, but he doesn't help himself by bringing it up all the time, being a "diva", and running without shoes on.
Now, if he had seasons close to 2007, then all this wouldn't even be a topic and we'd be begging ManKok to sign him to an extension.
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So yeah, while no one will speak up because they might not want to say it is so or might not realize it, I definitely believe this is the case with Braylon. Among his other faults which make Cleveland fans hate him (yes he screws up routes and drops the ball, and he always seems to drop it at important times!), the fact that he went to Michigan Univ. definitely plays a role in the magnitude of people's feelings. It's as if the fact that he was a Wolverine made people bring a bit magnifying glass over his downsides and a bit of a black curtain over the things that he is good at.
Fair enough, but in retort, I have to say that a comment like this seems stupid to me.
FWIW, I'm a Michigan fan and I don't like Braylon.
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I hope so Lamp,, Brian Robiskie is a good kid.. I live here in Aurora and know a few folks that live in Chagrin Falls who've met him., real straight up kid.. good kid.. I'd hate for anything to change that.
While discussing character issues yesterday, Trent Dilfer said,, whatever a kid is before the draft,, he's the same after the draft, just with more money.. If that's true.. then Brian will be just fine. And guys that had problems before, Aren't going to change except with more dough..
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I don't know Robiskie off the field...perhaps it was just his competitive nature coming out but I remember basketball games that got pretty heated. People who played basketball told me he talked a lot of crap. But this was high school, people grow up. I'm not even the same guy I was a year ago, let alone five years ago, for comparison's sake since we're the same age.
That said...at Ohio State he never appeared to be a hot dog and compared to REAL turds like Percy Harvin...I don't think he's a bad-character person period. There's a difference between being competitive and staying out of trouble off the field. He's not gonna get in trouble off the field...his dad is an NFL Coach...you have to have high character to be an NFL coach with the reputation Terry Robiskie has...and you won't raise your son to be a brat either.
As far as the money goes...their family is rich enough...I doubt having his own money compared to the money his dad made is going to change him.
I hope I get to meet him when me and my friend from Chagrin go to training camp this summer. The way I see it, he's not like Sean McHugh (Steeler from Chagrin)...he's a Brown.
And I'm well aware I sound like a huge hypocrite. But hey, if you can't beat em, join em. (Besides, we beat them our fair share of times)
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Fair enough, but in retort, I have to say that a comment like this seems stupid to me.
Well I couldn't find the words to express myself okay
But yeah, I believe that he played for Michigan only makes Browns fans hate him more.
Braylon's inconsistencies are going to drive people nuts down the line. But I do have faith that next year he'll play better than this year. A new coach and new team mentality could do wonders. Then I hope the players and owners sign a bargaining agreement and we can franchise him.
It would just be nice to use a franchise tag on someone period, wouldn't it?
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I second that.
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Ya know, I've never ever heard anyone say they hate BE because he went to Michigan.. not even once have I heard anything like that.... EVER
You been to the otologist lately Daman?
While I don't want to steer this completely off subject, you have to have wool over your eyes or cotton in your ears to have never heard anyone bash Braylon because he went to UM.
I've been to 7 browns game since BE was drafted and I have yet to go to a game where someone doesn't yell "go back to Michigan!" the minute he does something wrong.
Now, is it EVERY fan? Clearly it's not but a few bad apples CAN spoil an entire bunch when it starts to get personal (i.e. people bringing his family in to it).
Blame can be spread around to all parties and surely Braylon needs to take the brunt of it but there is truth to what he has said. Is it the minority? Of course, it is but the things (that he alluded to) are indeed being said on a fairly regular basis by a smaller portion of the fan base. Hell, I even hear them (UM references) when I watch games with the Browns Backers in Chicago.
Again, it's not really a right or wrong kind of thing but thinking it's not happening at all is insanely naive. Braylon should have a short leash given his mental lapses but that rope is indeed tightened down even more for some people because of his college affiliation.
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