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I have to say this does little to address the concerns of many that the OL is a major problem area.

Phil pours gasoline on fire.

I don't like the move at all. I am not able to rationalize the move in any way.

One thing I've noticed is that this has yet to be on the Browns site.
They usually at least put a blurb on there as soon as something is finalized.
Maybe this is one of those situations that they are talking about the perameters of a contract, but nothing is in stone.
It seems that this year alot of the media has jumped the gun on announcing hirings that were either premature or never did happen.
ESPN especially!

j/c

I could not believe when I read this in the PD. One possibility that we haven't brought up is that Marshall must have a decent relationship with Saban for Nick to want to bring him to Alabama.

Saban and Phil have worked together in the past with the Browns, and I thought I read somewhere that they're still friends. Sounds like Phil may be bringing on his buddies now? If that's the case

This hire makes no sense at all. Houston's OL became worse every game he was there and there was a reason no one would offer him a job last year. It wasnt just the sacks either, the line didnt do anything at all folks. Penalties out the yin yang. They couldnt run block, couldnt pass block, hell they couldnt even hold without drawing the flag and still getting the QB killed.

Here's to the next regime in 2008.

I am just hoping that someone from the Browns floated the rumour to guage reaction.

errr. overwhelminingly negative comes to mind.

Ok they couldn't pass block or run block, and took penalties all the time.
Maybe cuz they sucked in the first place.
I'm not defending this hiring because I honestly have no frigging clue about this guy. He must know something about his job, though. Jesus, people bashing the O-line coach we just hired. lol.

NRTU Mourg, but did Phil Savage fire some of you posters on here?

Why would the Browns hire an OL coach from one of the worse lines in NFL history, one year removed?

No matter the qualifications, skill or talent of the coach in question, It just does not make any sense to me.

It is political hari-kari.

This would be like a team hiring Maurice Carthon for its offensive coordinator.
But seriously though,does Phil Savage really know what he's doing?
He passes over more quailified o-line coaches. Unreal.
With the exception of the ex-Cards o-line coach,weren't Cable and Maser coaches when the Panthers and Falcons went to the playoffs?
Apparently what Marshall instilled at Houston didn't translate well.
How can Marshall rebuild a o-line when rebuilding isn't his forte?
Thats kinda like asking a Boy Scout Troop leader to come in a reconstruct a neighborhood after a hurricane came through.
Steve Marshall was out of football for a reason.
This makes as much sense as Art Shell hiring that one coach who had hadn't coached at the NFL level in like 56 years.See how that panned out?
Maybe theirs more to this.....
it might be hard to lure good position coaches to Cleveland knowing that they could be here for one year if and when Romeo Crennel gets shown the door after 2007....its like "why bother?"

Just clicking...hey - those who distrust the FO are going to whine as usual...thats their mantra. What can you do. Those trusting the FO will give the guy props that their mantra.

I'm assume I'm the latter but I'll put in my 2 cents anyways.

1. Two very knowledgeable football men think Marshall Knows OL. But we know better right I'm thinking the odds are Marshall knows OL.

2. I don't know Marshall from a hole in the wall. All I want him to be able to do is Lead...and be a good leader. Lead the personnel we got into a Unit.

3. All I know is you can't coach Talent...you got to get it. Miami had one the most respectful OL coaches around but their OL sucked...maybe he sucks too? or does talent have much more involved here than we are giving credit.

4. All those who claim his 1 year record at Houston is the end all about him really cannot be basing that on their knowledge of OL but some alterior beliefs about this team. After all a no talent OL will not magically appear out of good work in one year that would take a lot of continuity to get a bunch of no talents to play well as a unit. I don't think he really had a shot at success. And there was a coaching change n major change withing that organization n philosophy especially on O. He was gone.

Granted Marshall isn't a household name and not going to be raved immediately within the media thats for sure. But it doesn't mean he is without ability.

Pure n simple without talent he doesn't have much chance for success just like the best OL coaches ever in the NFL wouldn't.

I hope Marshall can be a good leader one who won't clash with the OC but can get whomever we will have here as the starting 5 working as a UNIT as soon as possible.

Love all those trashing this guy as a failure cause of his ability...like there are OL coaches out there who are MAGICALLY DELICIOUS Ummm folks - we don't have an OL...Hello. We got Shaffer returning thats what we got

This move is not going to make or break us...who we get playing OL just might.

JMHO

Finally found a way back in Eo,,,Thanks for your help earlier.

At first I was upset about this hire,,, then it occured to me. What coach that's out there today would be able to get anything out of the players we currently have.. I came to the conclusion that none of them would.

So, hiring this guy seems to send a message to me,,,, we are going to get pretty much a whole new line.. I'm now convinced that is Phils plan.

Because of that,I'm now looking at this as a positive.

I just threw up in my mouth a little after reading this.

WHAT???

NRTU
After doing a little research.
I found out that Houston had 1816 rushing yards in '05, while the Browns had 1503 rushing yards in '05.
Houston had a 4.2 ypc average, while the Browns had a 3.8 ypc average.
Not that I'm pimpin' this guy, but Houston was 15th in the league while we were 25th in rushing yards.
Everyone wants us to become a rushing team. It looks as if Savage is heading in that direction.
Toad said earlier that nothing we've done points at us getting Peterson in the draft, but if you look at the overall picture it seems as if Savage is building a team like the Steelers were a couple of years ago.
Good defense (we didn't lose any defensive coaches and we'll get us a corner in free agency and draft a widebody for the line)
Good running attack ( we got the 2 back coach in place and a new o-line coach who noone really knows yet, but he does have a ton of experience coaching the line)
A quarterback that you don't want to win you any games, just don't lose them. Manage the game throught the run game and pass when you need to.

Taste like chicken?

I just looked on cbs and on espn and they haven't made any mention of this at all... that's really really odd.

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Really, and they don't have to align with yours without being called stupid?

Someone could have jumped the gun.

Ask Russ Grimm and Mike Tomlin.

Some things about Houston in 05...

They had crap for talent at the line (still have crap as well)... and if you look at 05 and 06... both years Carr managed to have his number of sacks....

In 05 they had Davis so they were able to get a lot of rush yards... this year he was hurt and they did crap

A lot of the sacks in Houston I give to not just the OL but also Carr... he seems to do his best at running into a defender whenever they are close.

I said this about other candidates. You can't confuse the outcome with the decision. The players don't make the coach, it just isn't fair to evaluate them by the talent they have on the field.

"we still have a shot to get one of the best OL coaches in the league."

I'm sorry I missed something...which guy did we have a chance at getting???

Thanks in advance.

Sooner or later, everyone is going to finally see that Phil, DOESN'T know what he's doing.. these are the worst coach hirings i've ever seen since the browns have been back. Not a single one of them has been an established coach in this league..Opie is setting himself and Romeo up to fail. No way they are back after next year. Get some established coaches damn you or get the hell out of cleveland. Can't believe Lerner approved this junk.

How much in demand was Steve Marshall? Was he considered a "hot canidate"

seeming that he was out of football last year, my guess is not very hot

I was kinda wondering the same thing,,,,

I'm at an absolute loss. What's the point of having coaches if the talent doesn't or does matter? or the coach doesn't or does matter?

I would like to think that a coach can make a difference. See Sean Payton. But obviously that depends on what he has to work with.

Some people here assume that we should have gotten coach "so and so" because he's out there, never mind the fact that "so and so" may not be interested in coaching here for any number of reasons.


I'm just so puzzled by this coaching carousel.

You know the old saying "The more the things change,the more they stay the same"....
since 1999,thats all the Browns done has change.The only thing constant is the revolving door,whether its coaching or team direction.

I don't know what your asking me actually,,, please try to make it clear, then I'll be happy to respond,,, Thanks

My apologies sir, I should have prefaced the post with "J/C"

Not directed at you at all. I just don't understand some of these posts. Either a coach matters or he doesn't. Either the talent matters or it doesn't. Marshall had crap to work with in Houston and right now he has crap here. If he has talent he's a genius if he doesn't he's crap.

IMO, we need better players as well as coaches who can help bring out the best in those players. If this dude can . . . then great. I'll wait and see and reserve judgment on what he has to work with and what he does with them See Overtoads' post. It's balls on.

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because an 'X' or an 'O' looks completely different when inverted???

Oh,,,Okay,,, I got it...and no problem..

Yea, I agree with you and for that matter, Toad and a few others. Coaches coach, they don't get out there and play. Talented players make some coaches look smart..

Like I said earlier in this thread, at first, I was rather upset with this hiring.. then it occured that it probably means we are going with lots of Oline this off season... either FA or Draft,, That's gotta be a good thing,, so I'm happy

Oh my god,,,, Look at it again,,. now go out and get a notebook with something written on it on the outside cover.

Now, take pictures and put them in that book landscape fashion... and guess what, that's how it looks.

Please come up with a better reason to hate on the guy.

don't forget to make sure that all of the photos are overhead shots too.


(all the obvious things aside...it IS a funny picture )

Wow - do we really have fans that are this dumb?? To base their opinion on a picture of a coach showing (what probably is) and over-head picture to his line?!?!

J/C......Folks, we could have the "best" OL coach ever to grace a football field and it would not matter; you only get as much out of players as is related to the talent they have. Very few players play above their talent level, it happens once in a blue moon.

This guy probably knows O line fundamentals but he just has not had the talent to work with, hence, the Texans giving up 68 sacks. Marshall was not on the field doing any blocking during these games. A coach can tell the players what they need to do but ultimately the players have to be talented enough to execute.

Damanshot, I agree with you (and several others) that I think we are headed in the direction of getting more OL in the draft and/or FA. To be honest, it's something we really have to do. I think LT and G should be on our OL radar, and I'm sure it is.

Peterson is a maybe pick too me. There are other RB's in the draft and we may wait until next offseason to pick up another RB. Marshawn Lynch could be in the mix, if he falls to the 2nd rd. also Michael Bush. Turner is an FA after next season and I doubt any team gives S.D. what they are asking for Turner as a RFA.

I'm not going to freak out over this hiring, if it's true, I'll give the guy a fair chance and EXPECT us to bring in some better talent on the OL. Because sticking with the same guys on OL WILL be a disaster. Resign Fraley and start replacing all of the others.

@ the Texans offensive line coach.

A perfect end to an otherwise crap day.

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Yeah it is,,, But geez,,,,