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I think he should be tested, and suspended....its time to make these guys accountable for their actions Holmes formally arraigned on pot charge PITTSBURGH -- Pittsburgh Steelers receiver and Super Bowl MVP Santonio Holmes has been formally arraigned on a misdemeanor marijuana charge stemming from a traffic stop. Holmes Pittsburgh police say they found three marijuana-filled cigars in Holmes' car when he was pulled over Oct. 23. Holmes was stopped because his vehicle was similar to one police were looking for in a drug sting. Police say Holmes cooperated and pointed out the drugs to officers. Holmes' attorney has characterized the marijuana charge as a low-grade misdemeanor. At most, Holmes faces 30 days probation and a $500 fine if convicted. Holmes didn't appear at the hearing, at which charges are formally presented and his attorney enters his appearance. A pretrial conference is scheduled for May 22 web page
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Didn't even know he was stopped back then... Oh well, another pot head millionaire kid playing pro sports... what's new?
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the commish need to get his head out of his butt and clean up the leauge....this crap has to stop. kids look up to these guys and its not a very good example....guns, alcohol, drugs, hookers, dog fighting....some examples eh?
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the commish need to get his head out of his butt and clean up the leauge....this crap has to stop. kids look up to these guys and its not a very good example....guns, alcohol, drugs, hookers, dog fighting....some examples eh?
It's pot. I don't want to turn this into a pot thread...but would you care if your QB had a three-digit QB rating but smoked pot after the game? If your accountant netted you more refunds than you thought every year by-the-books, but he smoked while he crunched the numbers...would you care?
Beyond that...they need to educate these kids. They give seven and eight figures to these kids, who often came from impoverished and low intellect areas, and who were never asked to do anything but play football...I mean, what do they expect?
It should be entirely acceptable to me if in exchange for millions of dollars, these kids have some sort of off-season regiment...whether it be classes revolving around handling money and dealing with influences or a job or whatever...
Think I've told this story here before...but back when Albert Belle was Joey Belle, the Tribe thought he was problematic. This was when he was fresh out of LSU...my father had ties to the team and essentially gave Belle an accounting job for the summer to keep his nose clean...I don't know if that's a great example given that he certainly turned out to be problematic...but basically we're asking these kids to be professional, without ever having really tested them in any manner of professional behavior. Professional behavior as far as they know it is scoring points.
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I think Holmes is more of a role model because he has, what, 94 kids or something like that?
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You're pretty close....he has 3. 
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Yeah, and probably 3 different baby's mamas.
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Phil, you're putting a 3 digit quarterback rating ahead of the law. Shouldn't do that.
This isn't an NFL law he broke, it is a federal law. Should we allow him, or a qb with a 3 digit rating, to drive drunk as long as they don't hurt anyone? Same thing, isn't it? No one gets harmed either way, right?
The law is the law. If and when it changes, so be it. Are you in favor of letting the corner drug dealer go free as long as he's only selling pot? (don't answer that - I think I know what your answer would be)
Here's the bottom line - pot is illegal. Period. End of discussion.
If it becomes legal, fine. Until that time, we as citizens, and pro athletes included, can't say "ah, I didn't hurt anyone" and get away with it. If you disagree, then you'll have crack heads saying "I paid for it, I work, not on unemployment......let me go". You'll have meth freaks saying the same thing.
If and when any of those become legal, let me know. And please, don't compare it to alcohol, as alcohol is legal. Why, I don't know, but it is. As long as you follow the rules.
Pot smokers aren't following the rules/laws. Don't care if it's you, me, or a pro football player. I can speed if I want. If I get a ticket, it's my fault. The laws were in place. Santonio can speed if he wants, but you think that since he didn't hurt anyone he ought to be let go with no fine cause he's a football player???????? Surely you don't think that, do you?
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This happened back in October...why is everyone's panties in a bundle?
He was already disciplined and has kept his nose clean.
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This happened back in October...why is everyone's panties in a bundle?
He was already disciplined and has kept his nose clean.
Old news.
Has he been disciplined?
I didn't think he has- I think the league waits for the law to do their business before they do theirs.
Hopefully he sits a couple games.
And as far as the "it's just pot" argument again, do we really need to keep having this argument? It's a law no matter what you think about marijuana. No matter how many people want it legalized, it's not. It's a fact, so there's nothing to argue.
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This happened back in October...why is everyone's panties in a bundle?
He was already disciplined and has kept his nose clean.
Old news.
Has he been disciplined?
I didn't think he has- I think the league waits for the law to do their business before they do theirs.
Hopefully he sits a couple games.
And as far as the "it's just pot" argument again, do we really need to keep having this argument? It's a law no matter what you think about marijuana. No matter how many people want it legalized, it's not. It's a fact, so there's nothing to argue.
Exactly. I have nothing against pot, or pot smokers. Heck, if it was legal I might try it.
It is NOT legal as of this date, so excusing people because "oh, it's just pot" is ridiculous.
It is illegal. The law says so.
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Agreed,...if it was you or me, we wouldn't have been allowed to play in the Super Bowl, or fight in Iraq, or drive a car, or go grocery shopping,....
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I agree. Off with his head! 
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I wouldn't go that far,....  but it is not in the best interest of the rest of the population to be treated on a different plane than the rest of the population,....it stinks.
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Except Steelers. Anytime they break the law, the penalty should be death.
On a serious note, you couldn't be more right. It should go for everybody. EVERYBODY. That means athletes, Hollywood types, congressmen, cops.... you break the law, you should be punished just like you or I would be punished.
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pot is illegal. Period.
And it will remain that way until people wake up and stop persecuting people because of a lifestyle choice.
While pot is illegal---that illegality is still up for discussion. And hopefully one day, people can discuss it without the old, "its illegal," statement coming out. Good, great its illegal---but that doesn't mean we can't debate the moral and social implications that stem from its use.
Apparently you have nothing to add to the discussion.
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It is illegal.
There's no debating that fact. It's a fact. It's the law. It is illegal to possess and/or smoke marijuana in this country.
Now .... the only "discussion" would be whether or not the laws should be changed. Just because you think that they should be doesn't change the fact that possessing and/or smoking pot is a crime under current laws.
If a discussion cannot include facts, then it's not a very worthwhile discussion.
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Ummmm, really?
No way?
that is what I am talking about  ----and just saying its illegal does NOTHING to address the what, the why, the how, the when, the where, it should be legalized.
Why can't people debate marijuana without simply saying its illegal so end of discussion!?!?!?
Can't we have a discussion on why it is illegal, and what is it that society deems so harmful about its use? Maybe discuss its effects? Its use? The positives and negatives? The possibility of change? How it is similar to other intoxicants? Why are some intoxicants OK and others are illegal?
Apparently some of us can't and thats pretty sad. 
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On a serious note, you couldn't be more right. It should go for everybody. EVERYBODY. That means athletes, Hollywood types, congressmen, cops.... you break the law, you should be punished just like you or I would be punished.
His punishment will be worse than what you would get. In Ohio marijuanna possesion has been decriminalized, you get a 150 dollar fine with no jail or probation. Oh, and you lose your pot.
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This happened back in October...why is everyone's panties in a bundle?
He was already disciplined and has kept his nose clean.
Old news.
Has he been disciplined?
I didn't think he has- I think the league waits for the law to do their business before they do theirs.
Hopefully he sits a couple games.
And as far as the "it's just pot" argument again, do we really need to keep having this argument? It's a law no matter what you think about marijuana. No matter how many people want it legalized, it's not. It's a fact, so there's nothing to argue.
Exactly. I have nothing against pot, or pot smokers. Heck, if it was legal I might try it.
It is NOT legal as of this date, so excusing people because "oh, it's just pot" is ridiculous.
It is illegal. The law says so.
Yet, somehow I think that if a law were passed restricting freedoms that were important to you (say, an all-out ban on handguns and you must turn over any that you have in your possession), you wouldn't be so staunchly defending it.
I don't smoke, but think about it. It is insane that a guy gets arrested and charged as a criminal for having a little weed on them.
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What does wheter or not someone supports something have to do with abiding by the law?
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Here's what I would do. Either turn them in, OR keep them and take my lumps knowing full well what the law was. Doesn't mean I'd like it, but if it's the law, it's the law. Quote:
I don't smoke, but think about it. It is insane that a guy gets arrested and charged as a criminal for having a little weed on them.
Do you drink?
Yes, I drink. It is legal. As long as I don't break any laws, that is. You're missing the point, and the point is, as of now, pot is illegal. That doesn't mean you need to like the law.
Since when do we get to decide which laws we follow and which ones we don't?
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Since the first law was written. 
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I don't smoke, but think about it. It is insane that a guy gets arrested and charged as a criminal for having a little weed on them.
Do you drink?
Yes, I drink. It is legal. As long as I don't break any laws, that is. You're missing the point, and the point is, as of now, pot is illegal. That doesn't mean you need to like the law.
Since when do we get to decide which laws we follow and which ones we don't?
Here is an interesting parallel; read this: http://www.reason.com/blog/show/124397.html
If this is the type of society that you want to live in under the guise of "it's the law", fine, but count me out. Why should just people blindly obey unjust laws? (Define that however you want, just assume that it doesn't inflict on other peoples' rights or well-being.)
I think we'll agree on one thing-- that Holmes is an idiot. That has to do with the fact that he let his team down though (public embarrassment and a certain suspension) though, and not that he did anything inherently wrong.
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Look, no where have I stated or implied that I want to live in a society with "marshal law".
What I have said, and AM saying is this: pot is currently illegal. Those caught with it should pay the penalty. Just as, if I speed and get caught, I should pay the penalty.
If I drink and drive drunk, I should accept the penalty. (boy howdy, that's one right there...... .08 is drunk? I disagree vehemently, but that's the law, so I follow it)
Let's not make this about marijuana - let's make it about the law. Because, after all, that's what it's about.
All these people saying "pot isn't bad, let it go", ....hello? It is currently against the law. Don't do it, OR, do it and pay the consequences if you get caught. It's simple
Speeding - harmless. (unless you cause a wreck, etc), but it's against the law. I've done it, gotten my ticket, paid the price......such is life.
LIke the laws or not, we have to abide by them or pay the price. Now, people can work to change the laws, and if the speed limit on the turnpike in Ohio went up to 90, you can bet I'd drive that.
If the dui limit was lowered to .02, you can bet I'd abide by it. If pot was legal, I'd probably try it.....no, I would try it.
Laws. Like them or not, and we all have some we disagree with, they are, the law. Just because YOU (not you personally, but anyone in general) don't like a law doesn't mean you can break the law and not pay a penalty, be it a fine, jail time, having property confiscated, etc.
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OK, you are all right it is, in fact, illegal. BUT their are different levels of legality, and the penalties for pot are definitely going in the direction of decriminalization. It's almost akin to speeding, or some other minor infraction.
You all say, he should pay and he is a disgrace....and he will pay his measly little fine, and maybe some probation time. And after that, his debt to society has been fulfilled. I don't hear any of you wanting to crucify professional athletes when they get a speeding ticket. How can we let SPEEDERS be role models for our children?!?!?! Give me a freaking break. He'll pay his insignificant fine, and this should all be forgotten.
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If what he gets in court is a fine, fantastic. Pay it and be done with it. If he gets more, he needs to abide by it.
I'm not sure you were addressing me when you said "You all say, he should pay and he is a disgrace.", but if you were addressing me, please, show me where I said that?
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OK, you are all right it is, in fact, illegal. BUT their are different levels of legality, and the penalties for pot are definitely going in the direction of decriminalization. It's almost akin to speeding, or some other minor infraction.
You all say, he should pay and he is a disgrace....and he will pay his measly little fine, and maybe some probation time. And after that, his debt to society has been fulfilled. I don't hear any of you wanting to crucify professional athletes when they get a speeding ticket. How can we let SPEEDERS be role models for our children?!?!?! Give me a freaking break. He'll pay his insignificant fine, and this should all be forgotten.
Speeding is, in fact, illegal.
But it isn't punishable by the NFL.
Drugs are. So when you know as a part of your job, which is playing football, is to keep clean of drugs and certain performance-enhancing agents, you should do so.
And if you don't, then you get penalized for it. Not a hard concept. That is something everyone of these athletes commit to once they declare themselves for the NFL draft and sign a contract. They know the rules, but can't abide by it.
This isn't about some anti-drug agenda. It's about players doing what they're supposed to do, and getting penalized for breaking rules. It's not about what you or someone else thinks is ok or not ok to do. These guys know, but choose to ignore it. Oh well.
Hopefully he makes the same mistake again so they can just a WR. He's been in legal news since he was drafted.
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Yeah, it's really not a hard concept, but some people to choose to make it be so.
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Obviously. Like I said, I think the guy is an idiot for putting himself (and his team) in that position. Best case scenario is that he gets a 1 game suspension, but even that could cause his team to lose a game and miss the playoffs (not that I'd mind)... just saying. I don't look at him as a bad guy because he had in his possession a small amount of marijuana.
I don't even smoke weed so I wish I never would have started this. I guess I feel the need to point out how stupid the law is in this case. When people start overdosing and dying from smoking weed, then it might make for an interesting debate. Meanwhile 300,000 people in the US die every year from being too fat and stuffing their face at mcdonalds... but that's another topic as well.
My broader point was that I take at least some issue with the "it's the law it's the law it's the law so it must always be obeyed and never questioned regardless of other circumstances" mindset. I say this as someone who has never been in serious trouble with the law because I stay out of trouble and know how to do the right thing.
Let me go back to that link I posted earlier: http://www.reason.com/blog/show/124397.html
Since nobody is going to read it here is a quick summary: Police in CA spend weeks undercover playing at a regular poker game. The buyin was something like $20-$50 with an extra $5 for pizza and beer-- legally considered rake.
SWAT busts into this friendly game, guns drawn, seized all money, and charged the owners with running an illegal gambling operation (a felony, I assume). They also took their daughter away and turned her over to child protective services. There was another criminal charge or two in there as well.
This is not an isolated incident by the way.. this stuff happens.
All this over a poker game. The type most all of us have played in.
I mean, I find it ridiculous. And of course I know you're going to say, "it's the law. you have to accept the consequences." Well no kidding, I know it's the law and what reasonable alternative is there to accepting the consequences? The next best thing might be to shell out $100k in legal expenses.
In my eyes, the only crimes there were committed by the city.
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We can... and we should- if this specific topic comes up in the Tailgate. I for one, would join in and air my views, if such a thread materialised. This isn't the proper forum for the law's validity, however... so Arch's stance is appropriate and valid, given the [specific] topic at hand. The laws exist, Holmes (presumably) broke them, and his payment to society will be determined in a court of jurisprudence. Slam-dunk. No debate. Point: Archbold.
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Can't we have a discussion on why it is illegal, and what is it that society deems so harmful about its use? Maybe discuss its effects? Its use? The positives and negatives? The possibility of change? How it is similar to other intoxicants? Why are some intoxicants OK and others are illegal?
We can... and we should. Given all the side-issues you included in your post, such a thread would make for a lively, entertaining and enlightening thread, to be sure.
THIS THREAD AIN'T IT. This thread is about a pro football player's violation of one (or more of) the rules that govern our land.
If I can speak for Arch... that's all he was saying- and all he's ever said since his first post in this thread. I understand.... and agree. (If you read his subsequent posts, you'll quickly see that he wasn't making a moralistic stand... he was simply sticking to the topic at hand, and adhering to the rules of Good Debate.)
I say this knowing that you have absolutely NO idea what my personal views on the issue of 'legalized intoxicants' are at this point... because I haven't shared them to date, and because this thread isn't the proper forum for me to do so.
That's all I'm sayin', bro.
You want a free-speaking intellectual/philosophical discourse on the topics you brought up? START A NEW THREAD.
Until you do that, Arch is right...absolutely. Do a crime/do the time. That's how it works. If the subject of our current drug laws' fairness, efficacy or morality is the issue, then that's for a new thread.
Here's a challenge forya, Tyler (and you know from our PM's that I actually like and respect ya...):
If this topic is important enough to you, start a new thread on it. Give it some thought, frame it well, and present it to the community. Some Dawgs may pass on it, but I promise you- if I log on and see it, I'll weigh in with honesty and candor. Who knows? We may all get our eyes opened a little wider....
But for the time being... don't mess with Arch. He's got The Law on his side, as far as this specific thread is concerned....
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New update: Source PITTSBURGH -- Prosecutors have dropped a misdemeanor drug charge against Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver and Super Bowl MVP Santonio Holmes. Holmes Holmes Allegheny County Assistant District Attorney Rachel Newman announced the decision at a court hearing Wednesday. Pittsburgh police say they found three marijuana-filled cigars -- or blunts -- in Holmes' car when he was pulled over on Oct. 23. They pulled Holmes over because they were looking for a car similar to the one he was driving. Holmes alerted police to the drugs. Holmes' attorney argued the traffic stop violated the football star's rights because the search warrant wasn't specific enough. Prosecutors agreed. Asked if he was happy with the outcome, Holmes said: "I'm all right."
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Asked if he was happy with the outcome, Holmes said: "I'm all right."
They forgot the "puff puff" after that quote .....
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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A former Brown...
Bills' McIntyre gets charges dropped
PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. (AP) -- A misdemeanor charge against Buffalo Bills fullback Corey McIntyre will be dropped after police say a witness offered questionable statements.
Prosecutors say the victim's identification of McIntyre as the suspect was questionable.
McIntyre was arrested last month on accusations that he fondled himself outside a Port St. Lucie woman's home about 100 miles north of Miami. The incident occurred in March. McIntyre had been free on $10,000 bond.
He has denied the charge, and said Wednesday he is happy his name has been cleared.
Police suspect another man may be the culprit, and McIntyre was misidentified.
McIntyre has said he was out riding his bike in the area as part of his regular workout on the night he was arrested.
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