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That's what I don't get... players today supposedly not having the fundamentals of tackling down pat. What were they learning in high school and college?
I mean, what's more basic in football than tackling? And wouldn't proper tackling be stressed from Pop Warner and up?

Not sure... maybe some of the players got too comfortable, and just were collecting a check...

I didn't think we had defensive players like that though... so maybe they were never taught the fundamentals.. I don't know what it is...

Maybe it's the orange and brown curse... Once you put on a browns jersey, you lose it...

Hope Mangini and his Browns do well this year though... Very Well!!

jc


It isn't that these guys don't know how to tackle...they sometimes lose the desire to tackle.

Mangini is letting them know they need to regain that desire.

"maybe b/c they were in the NFL... and he thought that they might already know some of the fundamentals of football.... ie tackling."

and you know what I can understand and except this reasoning from you...this is where my depression came in last year (and when I started secretly believing the RAC naysayers in not being an NFL HC ) cause you are a fan - well educated but still a fan. RAC is a HC with tons of knowledge.

ie tackling? like that is some natural gift like Vision for a RB? (which you can coach up btw )

Angles? Hey Golfers know how to putt. Why practice it - the ball and surface stays relatively the same...just get the reads down.

Pitchers...come on they know how to throw...why practice it. Grounders to the Infielders - heck come on they've been doing it since 5 why practice it they already know how to catch a Grounder. Starting to look sillier

QBs...hey they know how to throw the ball...why practice it. WRs...hey they all know the fundamentals of football why practice it.

But tackling is different? And you can say that with a straight face AFTER we became so bad that we did work extra on it and it got fixed. If that didn't smack you in the face that tackling like other "SKILLS" need to be practiced on especially if that is your PROFESSION. they are professional and they make their money tackling the opponents...DON'T PRACTICE IT MAKES SENSE.

Guess what??? Skills will erode with stagnation!

How do you get to Carnegie HALL???

I understand you thinking this....what depressed me was RAC did

Mangini's thoughts on this same subject?

(On the drill performed at practice) - "That's a tackling drill that we will do it pretty close to everyday during training camp. That's one of those things where people get to pro football and a lot of people think, 'I've tackled a thousand times or I've done this a million times, I'm a great tackler.' But there are a lot of things that you can teach them on that drill. It's straight ahead, we have another one that's an angle tackling drill, and we use that to teach the runners how to run better, to teach the tacklers how to take better angles. It's one-on-one, it's not contact now, but there will be times during camp where it will be full contact or live. But it's a skill like anything else, blocking, tackling, catching the football and we want to keep repping that fundamental to make sure that we can minimize the amount of missed tackles, and then also teach our guys the best way to run with the football and isolate that skill set and help them."

JMHO

still spewing the Romeo excuses I see lol Look you play like you practice and that was never more true than watching the Browns over the last 4 years. The team was soft they didnt want to hit, they didnt want to get hit.

I quit going to camp due to the pathetic display of two hand touch football. hearing there was more contact during this rookie camp than there was in the last 4 years of training camp isnt hard to believe. Hell the puppybowl was more violent and intense than Romeo's practice sessions.

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2009/05/excited_faces_and_may_sunshine.html

Excited faces (and May sunshine) brings optimism to Browns minicamp --
by Terry Pluto/Plain Dealer Columnist
Saturday May 02, 2009, 4:46 PM

BEREA -- Optimistic scribbles on a nice day from Browns rookie camp ...


1. Eric Mangini seems comfortable as he talks about his expectations for players, his plans for the team -- and yes, how he does respect the Browns' culture. Jim Brown will continue to be around. Paul Warfield and Brown will talk to the team. When you walk into the lobby, there are now huge plaques of the Browns Hall of Famers -- where the public, coaches and players pass them each day.

2. The media is allowed to watch only part of the practice, so it's hard to make many judgments -- especially since they are not in pads and there is no hitting. I'm intrigued by Bryan Williams, and I believe that holds true of the Browns. Mangini loves "football players," meaning guys who can play different positions and want to be on the field all the time. Joshua Cribbs -- who talked to the rookies Saturday night -- has already emerged as one of the coach's favorites. I really believe Williams is in the mold. The Buchtel High and University of Akron product returned kicks, played running back as a junior (gaining 724 yards) and safety as a senior for the Zips. In high school, he was a tremendous linebacker along with being a star running back.


3. Just wondering ... Williams averaged 30.5 yards per kickoff return (a Mid-American Conference record) at Akron. Wonder if Williams could be the kick returner, allowing Cribbs to play more on offense and defense. Yes, Mangini is still talking about some type of role on the defense for Cribbs, although he is vague about it.

4. James Davis has the look of an NFL running back. The Clemson product had 1,000-yard rushing seasons in 2006 and 2007. One top NFL scout (not with the Browns) told me that Davis suffered from in-season coaching change, a poor offensive line and the rise of star running back C.J. Spiller (who may become a future first-rounder). His point was pay no attention to Davis' stats dropping to 751 yards as a senior. He was a good citizen in the midst of the turmoil, and he could be a nice surprise in the sixth round.

5. Mangini isn't the only one impressed with the speed of second-rounder David Veikune. He is all of 6-2, 257, but moves like a natural linebacker, rather than a lineman who early in his college career even played some nose tackle. Mangini also had to pay off a bet to the defensive coaches when Veikune was able to diagram a complicated blitz formation in front of the entire team, explaining what each player is supposed to do.

6. While second-rounders Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi receive most of the attention among the receivers, Lance Leggett has attracted some notice. The 6-3 receiver was on the practice squad last season, so it's natural that he'd seem more comfortable in this setting. But he is the kind of guy who could get a chance from the new coaches. Robiskie looks polished and savvy.

7. Mangini believes the keys to building an offensive line are left tackle and center. In his first draft with the Jets in 2006, he took both in the first round -- OSU center Nick Mangold and left tackle D'Brickshaw Ferguson. He calls them "pillars" of the line. Mangini doesn't care if others believe you should not pick a center in the first round, he called it a "critical" position at Saturday's workout. So he drafted Alex Mack in the first round, and inherited Pro Bowl left tackle Joe Thomas from the Phil Savage regime.

Doulbe post, Brownoholic. Good read, even twice

I don't know if anyone saw, but I was reading a magazine (ESPN?) at the doctor's awhile back and they did interviews with two D players from each NFL squad...only one or two said their teams ever did any sort of tackling drills or education. Most said something to the effect of 'at this level, you should know it'...almost all of them also conceded that it led to a lack of proper tackling in the NFL.

I am fully willing to drool now "while the drooling is good" so to speak. I like running for screwups, there are consequences, and the shots of camp I saw showed some intensity. The pighunter story floored me! OK, it's early and I AM getting interested. I may be as trusting as Charlie Brown when Lucy is with the ball, but kick thru it, pal. I want to see some spine implants and some coaching up.

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The Cleveland Browns have signed undrafted rookie free-agent SS Bret Lockett (UCLA) to a contract. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

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It appears this guy showed enough to earn a chance to come to camp.

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