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Even in a bad offense, #1 WR's should put of respectable numbers by making the most of even bad situations. A #1 WR should be able to elevate the team on some level....if he's invisible, than he's not a #1.
i agree, and continue to wonder why people think dropwards is a #1......worst #1 in the league if he was......
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Exactly, he needs a big year if he really wants to cash in huge. He can have an average year and still get a nice sized contract....but not as big if he had a Pro Bowl type year obviously.
Of course, if his stats aren't impressive with us in 2009 and the team struggles (due to injuries or QB play) he can blame someone other than himself.....but I think other teams see right through that. Even in a bad offense, #1 WR's should put of respectable numbers by making the most of even bad situations. A #1 WR should be able to elevate the team on some level....if he's invisible, than he's not a #1.
I want to keep him and potentially resign him. I don't understand why so many Browns fans get on him. While he's said some odd things in the past, he's no Chad Johnson with his mouth. While he drops passes, he's still not as bad overall than T.O. (and even if he's the same, T.O. is a damn fine WR). And who cares if he's from Michigan! I went to Toledo...so I can't stand OSU and the team up north.
Sorry about that,....  Too bad being from Michigan doesn't have anything to do with BE---I know he percieves it that way because there are some fans who do too,...and use it as a convenient excuse. Oh welI,...I wouldn't have traded Thom Darden for anything (and I liked Steve Everitt also,...) Just sayin.'
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i agree, and continue to wonder why people think dropwards is a #1......worst #1 in the league if he was......
16TDs have a way of doing that.
Defenses still use bracket coverage on him...which means they are gameplanning to stop Edwards. You need the defense to try to stop one guy to open up the others. It is also important that your one guy can beat that coverage from time to time to keep them from switching away from it.
And worst WR1 would not be Edwards.....currently....Berrian, whoever you consider from Chicago, Vincent Jackson, Chad Johnson, whoever you would consider in Miami, Cotchery, and that's just stream of thought without going through every team.
JaVon Walker would have to take the prize currently though...he's had a tough go in his personal life the past couple years, but he definitely isn't earning his WR1 $$$ he gets.
Anyway, the point is, we are not the only team that thinks he is WR1 material or the NYG wouldn't have offered 2nd/5th and a player for him.
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I don't understand why so many Browns fans get on him. While he's said some odd things in the past, he's no Chad Johnson with his mouth.
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“I’m not Paul Warfield, Webster Slaughter or Jim Brown. I’ve given my all to this city for four years, and I realize it will never be enough. I went to the Pro Bowl last year and resurrected this team from the darkness, and nobody cared.”
“People in this town believe they are entitled to too much. They have been disrespectful to me and my family. I’ve gone out in public with my family and have had to deal with being called foul names. My parents have been called vulgar things at restaurants.”
“My biggest problem is that I actually give a damn. I’m always rushing back from surgeries and injuries, never missing games or practices. But through this, I’ve learned how to overcome adversity. I’m also proud of how my foundation has taken off. I’ve been doing all this community service in Cleveland . . . my charity efforts will only be in Detroit from now on.”
This is where Braylon Edwards finally lost me. Forever.
I'll be happy when he's gone.
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And I still don't understand why you want him gone, even after reading those comments again. He and his team weren't living up to offseason hype and the fans were letting him have it. I would expect him to be a little sour.
I don't see a prima donna. I see a guy who can probably handle the boo's on the field. But he and his family were getting heckled off the field. And that's way over the line....I don't care how many passes he dropped that day. That's awful.
Hey, it's your opinion. If you want him gone and want to boo him for the rest of 2009.....it just proves more about how he's right. If we were truly the best fans in the league, we'd be "helping" him though his tough time.
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If you want him gone and want to boo him for the rest of 2009.....it just proves more about how he's right.
Reread my post. Don't put words in my mouth. Where did I say I wanted to boo him for the rest of 2009???
You: I don't understand why so many Browns fans get on him. He's no Chad Johnson with his mouth.
Me: Braylon says he no longer giving to Cleveland charities because fans don't appreciate him.
I could dig up the litany of asinine things he's said in the past but as a Browns fan you should know them. Another one that I had a big problem with is when he sold Brian Russell out over his hit on Chad Johnson.
Quite simply the guy's a cancer. Of course I want the Browns to maximize the asset and trade him for top value. But he's a Class A prima donna piece of poo and I'll make a toast once he's playing elsewhere be it 2009 or 2010.
Or do you want to watch him chatting up opposing players about modeling for the rest of his career?
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I didn't say you will boo or that you said it specifically.....I said "If you want".
Having BE focus on Detroit for his charities isn't similar to something Chad Johnson has done. Chad wear HOF jackets on the sideline, changes his name to mock the NFL, acts out silly dances after scoring touchdowns and demands to be traded every other second. BE has done none of that. That's why I said, he's not like Chad Johnson. BE isn't as bad as the prima donna WR's of the NFL....and IMO, I can live with it.
Chatting up about modeling.....I'm sure players talk about plenty of things on the field. I can't comment on how often that takes place...but I'm sure it happens enough to not make a big deal over this one. So what. Players and coaches have lives off the field....they may even like each other enough to go golfing, fishing, drinking or even.....modeling together.
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Yeah, PS... I'm pretty disgusted with the way the fans think of Braylon. Yeah, he screws up with the drops, but we knew that before he was drafted. Who else do you see giving 50 college scholarships to kids in Cleveland? Quinn? Lebron? Joe T.? I'm not saying these people are supposed to, I'm just saying that I think it gives him a pass from being harrassed off the field. It's popular for people to say "I'll support whoever puts on the orange and brown" but then to say "he needs to be traded... I'll be glad when he's gone" completely flies in the face of that. That's not being a fan IMO. Of course its frustrating when he drops passes... but does anybody really think he doesn't work hard? That he wasn't the best blocker we had last year at WR? The 2nd best at WR and TE behind Heiden? I don't get booing your own team, let alone harassing people in public. And then people have the nerve to get mad when he says he's not going to target his charity to Cleveland anymore. 
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You're right,...that would be bad if EVERY Cleveland pro athlete (and entertainer) was a big charity philanthropist instead.
Now where he does make his immature mistake, is to lump ALL of us in the "we-hate-you-Michigan-guys" category.
He recovers from this year's dropsies and gets the team IN -- not almost TO -- the playoffs ?? Then he's golden. Might not be here very long thereafter, but that appears to be the future anyway.
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So because a young man is upset that both he and his parents are being verbally assaulted while out and about you have a problem with him ? I see the problem being more about ignorant fans who think that they are allowed to say and do anything to a player simply because he is a public figure.
While he might have handled it slightly better, I certainly dont see any reason to diss him over this.
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So because a young man is upset that both he and his parents are being verbally assaulted while out and about you have a problem with him ? I see the problem being more about ignorant fans who think that they are allowed to say and do anything to a player simply because he is a public figure.
If we're supposed to understand why he feels angry about that (we should) he should also understand that the actions of a few fans are NOT justifiable reasons to indict the entire city of Cleveland, nor are they justifiable excuses for the problems he himself has created.
The bottom line remains the same: Edwards is responsible for his own problems. The idiot fans are nothing more than the ugly side-effects of what goes along with the huge contract, the self-absorbed quotes, and the issues on and off the field.
It's amazing that being from Michigan is the reason fans hate him, yet other players from Michigan who've played for the Browns never had the problems that Edwards has.
Hmmmm............... 
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It is easier on the psyche to convince yourself the reason people don't like you is because you are a "outsider" than it is because people think you are a punk beach.
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I agree, you make good points. Its just a little funny to me how people latch onto things like this to dislike a player. Ive always thought he was off base about the whole Michigan thing, but chalked it up to his just not being able to understand how people could have an issue with him.
With a few more years of maturity these things will fade away. Id love to see Braylon become a long term star for the Cleveland offense. And would hate to think that petty things like this would be any part of his undoing here.
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They will only become that way if he let's them. THIS is where he has to step up (in addition to the other side of his game,....  ) And if he drops NOTHING and catches 23 TD's, "Michigan" will not matter to even the most uninformed,....
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I do, however, think it means the end for Steptoe and/or Hubbard. One might land on the practice squad but I have to think the other is history.
Hubbard could probably stick on the PS, but Steptoe can't. He'd have to be cut.
Steptoe was on the active roster all year long, or pretty much all of it, which disqualifies him.
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Its just a little funny to me how people latch onto things like this to dislike a player.
It's a little bit of "chicken or the egg" combined with "snowball effect."
-A couple of fans don't like him because he's from Michigan
-He doesn't like that, gets his feelings hurt, and drops a couple of balls, then blames it on those few fans
-More fans get on him not because he's from Michigan, but because he SAYS he's from Michigan, drops a few balls, and gets on a few MORE fans
-He hears those fans, has a few more lapses in concentration, drops more balls, goes into a funk, gets mad, then says things he shouldn't have said
-More fans hear it, start to dislike him for other reasons than he's from Michigan, but because they view him as an insolent child, they tell him it's because he's from Michigan
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Ive always thought he was off base about the whole Michigan thing, but chalked it up to his just not being able to understand how people could have an issue with him.
With a few more years of maturity these things will fade away.
Your second sentence is why your first one makes sense: Maturity, or more accurately, the lack there-of.
The real problem then becomes whether or not too much damage has been done to repair things. That can only happen if..............if..............Edwards can actually do what you say he can, which is to become more mature.
I don't think he can.
There are very few cases of receivers with the kind of ego problems that Edwards has to predict what could happen down the road. Despite his advancing age, it's clear TO won't ever get it.
Antonio Bryant had to get booted out of the league to start to mature, and even then we still don't know if he's actually grown up, or if he simply hasn't gotten caught doing whatever it is that he does.
Edwards doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who's just too sensitive and is taking things too personally. He strikes me as the kind of guy who's always demanded respect and had everything handed to him. Now that he's facing adversity, not only has he not been able to overcome it, he's succumbed to the pressure of it.
When I look at all the factors involved with this situation, things like his desire for stardom in a place where he can be a world-staged player, his desire for a huge contract, his lack of maturity, his lack of accountability, and the firing of all the people that made him the face of the franchise, I just don't see the odds of Edwards turning things around being very good at all.
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My biggest problem with Edwards is the fact he gave up and didn't give his all...then admitting not giving his all and promised that in the future he would...then in the next few games he quit again. I don't feel like digging up the article where he admitted to it but I am sure there were others that saw it. (toad?)
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Braylon: "I'm not giving to Cleveland charities anymore" = I'm taking my ball and going home. It's silly. Completely silly.
Braylon: "I brought this franchise out of the darkness" = I'm happy to take all the credit when things go well. When things go badly.....ummmm
I'm not going to waste my time explaining why BE has lost me with successive things over the years. If you get it you do. If you don't you don't.
And one other topic:
There are players that have played on the Browns that I didn't like. I didn't like Earl Little and his "swaggar". I don't like BE. I didn't like Antonio Bryant. I didn't like Gerard Warren. Heck, I didn't even like Mo Carthon.
I didn't like them because they way went about their business and the way they acted off the field. I also was happy when each of them made their way off the roster and I'll break out the bubbly the day BE is shown the door.
Does that make me less of a Browns fan?
On the flip side of the coin there have been Browns of varying talent that I really like/liked. I really liked Jason Wright. I like Joe Thomas. I liked Andre Davis (WR). I liked Daylon McCutcheon. Why??? Because of the way they conducted themselves on and off the field. They are class acts and representative of the type of players I want to see in the Brown and Orange.
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I just saw Mike Singletary on NFL Network talking about his coaching experience with Patrick Willis. He just talked about how Patrick devotes so much time and effort specifically toward making himself a better football player and how he is quiet and behaves off the field.
He also talks about how he constantly comes in and tells the coach that he needs more, is humble, and tries to do everything he can to better himself on the field.
THAT is what I love. I feel guys like Joe Thomas are the same way. That's also the reason why I don't like Braylon Edwards. Also, the more I think about it, it's also the reason why I really like our draft picks. Maybe they had a little less tangible talent than a lot of the other people being picked around them, but I feel like they all fit that mold of "I just want to do everything I can to be better in this game."
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I really don't think the new regime will allow his type of behavior to continue. If they get him to buy into there system I think he will flourish and become the star he believes he his. If not he will be shown the door. The choice is his.
s far as the fans dogging him and him "taking his ball and going home", everyones feeling will heal with some of his circus catches and wins. I really don't care for people piling on him but as its been said a few rotten apples spoil the bunch.
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My biggest problem with Edwards is the fact he gave up and didn't give his all...then admitting not giving his all and promised that in the future he would...then in the next few games he quit again. I don't feel like digging up the article where he admitted to it but I am sure there were others that saw it. (toad?)
I've seen it and remember it.
We've ALL seen it, and remembered it.
Nobody likes a quitter.
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yet other players from Michigan who've played for the Browns never had the problems that Edwards has.
Well stated again, BE keeps saying we hate him becuase of Michigan, since day one we've constently said we dont care where your from it's what ya do when your a Browns.....Maybe he needs to listen for once.
Bye the way, One of my all-time favorate top two favorate Browns ever is from Michigan..Steve Everitt I could care less where he's from, He was and is a true Cleveland Browns
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Figure in that most of these "superstar" college players have been exceptional players their whole life, and have been treated "special", and just don't know how to handle when things aren't going well. Add on the whole "coddle" mentality that was in full bloom during their developmental years, and you have a recipe for disaster when failure looms.
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I really don't think the new regime will allow his type of behavior to continue. If they get him to buy into there system I think he will flourish and become the star he believes he his. If not he will be shown the door. The choice is his.
I have a feeling Mangini won't hesitate to bench him if he has the same problems he did last year. We have the depth now and could be alright without him. If the O-line produces well and the defense can hold, we are going to be primarily a run based offense anyway.
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We still need a home run threat.
And until someone proves he is that guy, Braylon is a necessity.
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