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Report: Manny suspended 50 games for positive drug test May 7, 2009 CBSSports.com staff http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/11719585 Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder Manny Ramirez will be suspended for 50 games for testing positive for performance-enhancing drugs,the Los Angeles Times reported Thursday morning. Ramirez's agent Scott Boras has said that Ramirez did not test positive for a steroid. The suspension is expected to be officially announced later today. Ramirez would not be eligible to return until July 3. Ramirez is hitting .348 with six HR and 20 RBI as the Dodgers have jumped out to a league-best 21-8 record, including an MLB record 13-0 start at home.
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WOW,, didn't see that coming..
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Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder Manny Ramirez will be suspended for 50 games for testing positive for performance-enhancing drugs,the Los Angeles Times reported Thursday morning.
Ramirez's agent Scott Boras has said that Ramirez did not test positive for a steroid.
The suspension is expected to be officially announced later today. Ramirez would not be eligible to return until July 3.
Ramirez is hitting .348 with six HR and 20 RBI as the Dodgers have jumped out to a league-best 21-8 record, including an MLB record 13-0 start at home.
Baseball is officially the new cycling where EVERYONE gets busted for some PED at some point. sadly.
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Baseball is officially the new cycling where EVERYONE gets busted for some PED at some point. sadly.
"Sadly"? Would you prefer it to be like football where you know everyone is on something, but they don't bother trying to catch anyone?
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What really pisses me off is that he was probably taking them in 2007 and the Sox "leaked" info that byrd was using steroids. Tribe would have smoked the rockies too in the series.
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I always Thome and Manny's names added to the "possible" users list. They both looked like rails in the mid-90's. Then bam......huge dudes with huge power numbers.
I knew Manny was using this whole time.
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I always Thome and Manny's names added to the "possible" users list. They both looked like rails in the mid-90's. Then bam......huge dudes with huge power numbers.
I wouldn't be shocked if most players coming out of the 90's were using something.
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The thing with Manny is his stats have been very consistent. Not like most other players that have been caught. He had an uptick last year, but the NL is a worse than the AL IMO so that can explain the change there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Ramirez#StatisticsThat doesn't mean he hasn't been using the whole time, it just kind of bucks the trend of most users where they had 2-3 knockout years and then sputtered.
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I always Thome and Manny's names added to the "possible" users list. They both looked like rails in the mid-90's. Then bam......huge dudes with huge power numbers.
I wouldn't be shocked if most players coming out of the 90's were using something.
I agree. I think one of the players that didn't is Griffey. He has more or less stayed the same size throughout his career.
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Baseball is officially the new cycling where EVERYONE gets busted for some PED at some point. sadly.
"Sadly"? Would you prefer it to be like football where you know everyone is on something, but they don't bother trying to catch anyone?
the NFL catches token star players to make it seem on the up and up (like Merriman)
I think there has to be a middleground between the NFL and everything being considered a PED and testing positive for anything results in your entire career being called into question.
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I agree, Deep. The ONLY person that I would be surprised to hear using roids is Griffey...
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What about Randy Johnson? The guy has always been skinny as a whip.
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I wouldn't.
Everyone is a suspect.
....that's what this has come to, for me at least. And I still watch and enjoy baseball.
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I would be shocked if I learned Griffey had done it.
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What about Randy Johnson? The guy has always been skinny as a whip.
Well, performance enhancers aren't always about muscle building. The reason why more pitchers have been caught since testing went into place was the " fast recovery PED's". Those made it possible for the recovery between pitching sessions to be shorter...thus pitching more often at the same level.
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What about Randy Johnson? The guy has always been skinny as a whip.
Body size has little to do with indication of performing enhancing drugs.
In fact, more often than not it's used to heal faster than to bulk up. Somehow the 'bulk' factor has become the benchmark.
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With the old timers ... U can look at there bodies and get an idea .. with the youngins .. its different .. a GREAT EXAMPLE ..
Kevin Youkalis .. that boy was skinnier than barry bonds in the minors .. even at triple A .. then one off season ... he came back a man child there is no dout in my mind he used .. NONE ..
yet U never hear anything about him .. cause when he came up he all ready had his "big" body ...
the first time i saw his Triple a film from pre-roids .. i cold not believe it was him .. i was STUNNED .. I shook my head and just started *L* ..
and fellas .. do not get fooled by body size ... it makes it more obvious .... but u can also just maintain ...
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I agree, Deep. The ONLY person that I would be surprised to hear using roids is Griffey...
it was pretty clear that this was not a steroids positive test. therefore, there is no indication that Manny is or has ever done steroids.
i hate the guilty until proven innocent concept....with no way of proving innocent.
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I agree, Deep. The ONLY person that I would be surprised to hear using roids is Griffey...
it was pretty clear that this was not a steroids positive test. therefore, there is no indication that Manny is or has ever done steroids.
i hate the guilty until proven innocent concept....with no way of proving innocent.
Except whether they are steroids, HGH, stimulants, whippits, or red M&M's.........if a substance is being used to "enhance performance" it means you're cheating, and cheating is what this is all about.
There's nothing about this that is going to pursuade me that Manny's doctor is at fault 
Besides, he didn't get the 'scription from a team doctor or even his local doctor. No, this doctor came from...........*drum roll please*............FLORIDA.  Interesting things we've heard over the last couple of years about doctors in Florida.
So what was this "personal problem" that caused him to not seek help from a local doc? Oh..........I remember...........he must have ovarian cysts 
Manny was a quitter in Boston who's now been exposed for the cheater he is. I'm glad it happened. The more that are exposed, the sooner we can get past the entire steroids era and into a better one.
God I hope Thome didn't use steroids, but honestly, would anyone be surprised at this point if he got nailed? 
Logo, I get what you're saying with the entire "innocent until proven guilty" way of doing business, but this isn't criminal law, so we're supposed to use common sense. We don't have to have undeniable proof.........we just have to be smart about how we make our determinations.
I've determined that Manny didn't need help kickstarting his eggs
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Has A-rod been suspended yet?
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As I recall, they can't suspend A-rod because he admitted to using when it was not "illegal" which is a load of bunk.....cheating is cheating and anyone who cheats should be tossed from the game for life.
As for Manny, couldn't happen to a nicer um, er, (can't use words that would suffice) and they should have said "You're cheating, you can come back in 2011." since they don't have the nads over the union to toss them for life......
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He COULD be suspended, but wont be. But in Manny's case it is now mandatory since MLB has the Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program in place. When ARod admitted using that was before the JDPTP.
They could still suspend him, but the players union would never let them get away with pushing a 50 game suspension on him.
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My question would be.....If everyone is "cheating", is it really cheating?
Really, if everyone has an advantage is it actually an advantage anymore?
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REALLY!!!!!
Look at all of Manny being Manny! I've always thought that was roid related personality!
Upgrade does mean that things get better.........RIGHT?
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My question would be.....If everyone is "cheating", is it really cheating?
Really, if everyone has an advantage is it actually an advantage anymore?
No, it probably wouldn't be cheating but "everybody" isn't doing it.
And no, I can't prove that they aren't and you can't prove that they are, so that's done. 
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Of course, 100% aren't doing it. But would it surprise you if it turned out, in time, that about 90% were doing some form of PED? It sure wouldn't surprise me. And at that rate it's close enough to "everybody" to make my questions very relevant.
At this point all players in any pro sport are suspect. So who gets voted into their respective HOFs? All the big stat guys or none of them? The induction ceremonies in about 10 years could end up being pretty short if you exclude anyone who used or was suspected of use.
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Yes, that number would surprise me as well. Nobody knows what the number is....
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So who gets voted into their respective HOFs? All the big stat guys or none of them? The induction ceremonies in about 10 years could end up being pretty short if you exclude anyone who used or was suspected of use.
You can't exclude for suspicion of use but anyone who was confirmed to have used should damned well be excluded.
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yeah, it wasn't out yet that it was cHG when I wrote that...
unless Manny was looking to lose a lot of weight (it is a rather effective diet pill according to many of the reports), it doesn't look good for him because it's other use for males is to help with the steroid cycle.
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I wouldn't ... and it's not that I think Griffey is a user, it's that the people who have been caught using run the full gamut of baseball players. You don't have to be a huge hulking mass of muscle to have used PED's at some point. Heck, wasn't "The Hobbit" Paul Byrd using HGH? And that's an actual muscle growth hormone. Steroids don't build muscle, but help you recover quicker. That's why roid users tend to get big ... because they can workout more often than a normal guy. But you can still use the stuff and not balloon in size. In fact, Manny's rookie card lists him a 195lbs, and he's currently listed at 200.
Then you look at the people who've been busted, and there's no real rhyme or reason. You see guys who doubled in size, and had huge jumps in numbers, but then you also see guys who's stats made no real leaps. You see guys that are big, and some that really aren't that big. You see non-power pitchers, you see singles hitters, you see utility guys, you see minor leaguers, etc. So I'm not sure you can really look at anybody and say, "He definately DIDN'T use".
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My question would be.....If everyone is "cheating", is it really cheating?
Really, if everyone has an advantage is it actually an advantage anymore?
In terms of an even playing field, it's just an even playing field, but in terms of cheating, yeah, cheating is cheating.
Of course since everyone DIDN'T do it, that means that just because the majority were cheating, it doesn't mean it's no longer cheating.
Major league baseball looked the other way because they wanted the game to come back to relevence after the strike that ruined the game in the mid-90's. The Players Association looked the other way and protected the players ability to cheat by driving hard bargains, and the league itself didn't care because when balls left the park, fans spent money and filled seats.
No matter how it's laid out, cheating is cheating and it's time to expose all the players that did it.
It's fantastic that guys like Ramirez get busted. I'd LOVE for many of the aging vets who were prevelent ten years ago to start getting popped.
I recently lost an employee who was a successful minor league pitcher over the last few years. He was on the fast-track for the Rockies major league roster but an aching arm derailed that. He got out of baseball because his shoulder was starting to act up, and while he was good at the game, he didn't love the game enough to dedicate the rest of his life to it.
When he and I would go out after work, he often talked about 'roids and HGH in the minors. There were minor-league players BEGGING to get their hands on anything that would help them get over the hump and get the major-league paycheck. They didn't care about the risks.
What does that tell you?
The risks and testing aren't strong enough to solve the problem. 50 games is stiff, but not stiff enough. It needs to be bumped to an entire season for the FIRST positive test. It needs to be a lifetime ban on the second. End of story.
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I'm only half-kidding here, but being so pea-brained, Manny is the only person who I might believe actually didn't know what he was doing.
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I'm only half-kidding here, but being so pea-brained, Manny is the only person who I might believe actually didn't know what he was doing.
I can go along with that.
:: Side Note :: I believe Griffey NEVER used,...these guys mostly do it to "recover" from injury. Ken was ALWAYS hurt and never seemed to recover. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
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Ken was ALWAYS hurt and never seemed to recover. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Barry getting hurt all the time was everyone's excuse FOR Barry being on roids. 
On a side note, I saw a funny quote in an article today ...
"This is just Manny being Barry."
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Griff never got "Bonds-healthy" enough to stroke 755 plus though,...  I would think that completely physically equal, roids notwithstanding, that KG could be sitting on 800 or so.
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I agree. I think that if Griffey hadn't had the injury issues, he'd be the home run king. He's the best player baseball has seen in my lifetime.
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