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I'm trying as hard as I can, but I fail to see the relevance of this 4 year old article...
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I knew Charlie Frye when I was going to Akron.....my roomate was played on the starting o-line with Charlie.
We still talk about Charlie........not the brightest lightbulb in the room.
He told me the Charlie did not have the patience to go thru progresions....
He'd look at WR #1,then 2 and if that failed he ran.
Charlie had a huge ego thinking he was greater than the football team itself.
Charlie was telling everyone his senior year he at the very worst was a 2nd RD pick.
IMO,the worst QB since the return in 99.
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We still talk about Charlie........not the brightest lightbulb in the room.
Hate to bash him, but I got that feeling during his interviews. You could tell he wasn't all that... you know... smart. Tough, for sure...
And for anyone to say he had a stronger arm than BQ... that's simply crazy. CF has a weak NFL arm.
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I honestly don't know how Frye won the games that he did win here in Cleveland...
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I'm trying as hard as I can, but I fail to see the relevance of this 4 year old article...
he had the arm strength.
frankly, his arm strength is on par with quinn's. they are both strong enough, basically average in the league.
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Hate to bash him, but I got that feeling during his interviews. You could tell he wasn't all that... you know... smart. Tough, for sure...
Also hate to bash him but he sounded like Forest Gump in his interviews.
Was it James Harrison who blindsided Frye in the disatorous Steelers opener in 07?
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Quinn's arm is comparable to Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. It is his biggest weakness, but it is far from bad. Frye's is comparable to Ken Dorsey, and is absolutely terrible.
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Quinn's arm is comparable to Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. It is his biggest weakness, but it is far from bad. Frye's is comparable to Ken Dorsey, and is absolutely terrible.
ken dorsey can't throw past 40 yards. ken dorsey also throws 20 yards at an arc at best. you're exaggerating.
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I honestly don't know how Frye won the games that he did win here in Cleveland...
I'm surprised no one's killed him yet. (Seinfeld reference)
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he had the arm strength.
frankly, his arm strength is on par with quinn's. they are both strong enough, basically average in the league
I kinda figured that's what you were saying, but that's just your opinion and I'm afraid you won't get many that agree with you now that we've seen Quinn in a few games. I mean NFL Games that is.
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I think you all are crazy with all of this Charlie Frye, Ken Dorsey, BQ, and DA talk.....We all know that Tim Couch had all of the tools to become the next Joe Montana...he just didn't have an OL........  ...... 
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I'm trying as hard as I can, but I fail to see the relevance of this 4 year old article...
he had the arm strength.
frankly, his arm strength is on par with quinn's. they are both strong enough, basically average in the league.
I think you need to re-watch some of Frye's cold weather games. Some of his "on the move" passes that got caught up in the wind reminded me of the begining of "American Beauty" where the pscho was taking video of the trash bag swirling around in the air.
His arm isn't just weak, it's terrible.
Quinn may not have DA's cannon but the ball comes out with zip. There's absolutely no comparison between Frye and Quinn.
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"Frye's biggest problem was a weak arm."
I always thought his biggest problem was that his OL sucked in pass blocking. I mean every now n then Ok, let him get away from the rush and make something happen. But his learning environment was horrible and ruined him somewhat mentally and physically. He had a lot of starts...Young on a team rebuilding from the bottom up - 06 n 07 two new systems. But 06 damaged him mentally as he picked up bad habits running away from the rush...even when it wasn't there. Physically, coming back that last game and playing while still hurt.
But when all is said and done...his physical tools were not that great. First and foremost he did have incredibly small hands. His arm is strong but the harder he would go to throw the ball the more the ball would slip out and be a wounded duck.
I liken it to my experience with baseball. I had a gun for an arm and was my best asset. Later in life when I went to play for some Softball teams I found that I could only throw the Softball as hard as I could in a normal throwing motion. Any extra ummmph on the throw and it would lose its accuracy. I hated softball btw, that was one reason. But I can understand Frye's dilemma and how that ball would slip out if he tried to put anything extra on it.
So Frye without the Game day leadership and accuracy - he is nothing. So after getting pummeled in a bad environment - those mental skills he had eroded and now he is in the process of getting his head on straight. He never was our Franchise QB...but just a lovable guy who would do anything for the Browns.
The guy I can't figure out is Luke McCown - Tampa's QB and our 4th round pick. Is he the real deal??? but thats another story.
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The guy I can't figure out is Luke McCown - Tampa's QB and our 4th round pick
Traded for by Tampa's previous FO, signed to a big contract by Tampa's current FO, and seeminly replaced TWICE by the same FO with the Leftwitch and Freeman signings.
I'm not sure they can figure him out either 
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We all know that Tim Couch had all of the tools to become the next Joe Montana...he just didn't have an OL........ ......
U may be joking... but I actually believe that... maybe not Joe Montana... but he was pretty good IMO... He just could not get the protection he needed...
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Well, according to McCown and Leftwich there is going to be a competition to see who the starter is. McCown seems pretty confident that he will win it... Quote:
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have a plethora of quarterbacks under contract, but Luke McCown believes he's got the coolest hand of them all.
And despite the presence of recently signed, proven veteran Byron Leftwich, McCown -- who signed a new deal himself in February -- declared emphatically Tuesday that the starting job is his to lose.
"Absolutely," McCown said, according to the St. Petersburg Times. "This has been a long time coming for me and I'm not letting anybody take it from me. And it's the first legitimate opportunity. Say what you want about getting three starts at the end of a season [two, in 2007].
"But this is my first real opportunity to be the starter, to be the guy. And I look at it as mine and you're going to have to shoot me."
The Bucs on Tuesday opened a series of full-squad voluntary workouts, where the 27-year-old McCown shared reps with Leftwich and 2008 fifth-round draft pick Josh Johnson. Veteran Brian Griese wasn't on hand and likely will be either cut or traded, and 2009 first-round draft pick Josh Freeman is finishing up the semester at Kansas State, according to the Times.
McCown has only one win in seven starts in the league. The 29-year-old Leftwich began his career as a starter in Jacksonville before being relegated to backup status there and in stops with Atlanta and Pittsburgh. Believing he needed to grow the position, Bucs coach Raheem Morris selected a quarterback in the first round in April.
"I wasn't surprised by it at all," McCown told the Times. "What I love about Raheem is he shoots you straight. He's going to tell you what's going on. When I re-signed, that was the first thing he said to me.
"He brought me up into his office, showed me the board and said, 'This is what the depth chart looks like. Here's the competition you're going to be in. We've got the 19th pick. Who knows? All the experts say we're going to draft one [quarterback]. Maybe we do. All you can do is go out, compete, and worst-case scenario, you perform well and we have to make a decision whether to keep you or trade you.'"
Leftwich said Tuesday that he signed with the Bucs partly because he was enticed by having an opportunity to become a starter again.
"It's a competition," Leftwich said, according to the Times. "Everybody wants to be the guy, we understand there's only going to be one guy. We're just going to work, work, and whoever wins, the best man will win."
Whoever does win the competition will only be starter for 2 seasons max right?
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Havent Mangini or Konkas snubbed somebody lately so we dont have to talk about Charlie or Couch, it's like talking about your old high school girlfriends from 30 years ago.
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lol. well there just isn't that much to talk about, this time of the year.
did you know, and i just read this today, alex mack can do the splits? 6-4 314 lbs and can do the splits. talk about flexible.
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talk about flexible
Talk about somethng I pray I never see.....
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, it's like talking about your old high school girlfriends from 30 years ago.
Mine would be closer to 40 years and I should have married her 
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Wow, a QB thread. Who'd a figured by the title.
My $.02? I never really fed into this, but (chronologically) Couch was destroyed before he had a chance. He was a lame pony after his first season, he just didn't get put down fast enough. The Browns were set up to fail, you can't draft 22 players and we had to wait too long to go after free agents (I know, there was a book, and a lot of it was true). Frye was a goofball, so was DA. Some people take to that, most want a hardcore leader, especially the vets that were brought in. Add KH to the list of guys who just couldn't lead a "dirty dozen" of talent on the field.
Frankly, I attribute a lot of or fleeting success to Hank F. He knew how a huddle should be run, and that was a big help to anyone behind center. And the loss of a few players, especially the best left tackle in football, added to that.
From what I see, Quinn has a presence that will suffice. The only thing that will undermine that is the possibility he could be yanked on a whim. That is always a problem. The whole "if you have two QBs, you have none" argument. Quinn has the arm strength, if anything, he lacks polish and technique. This is from personal observation, not some article. I think he looked bad when he first rolled out because the receivers didn't expect so much zip on the ball.
This is all my humble opinion, but it comes from watching the games. I don't get my info from Kiper and the analysts, I look for myself, and that's what I see.
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Only a few names jump out at me as players I would want and a couple are not going to happen even in my wildest dreams:
Terrell Suggs, DE/LB (I wish), Julius Peppers, DE (again), Mike Brown, S (has he gotten hurt? i alway thought he was decent), Michael Boulware, S (he might be kind of dumb but he is a great athlete), Oshiomogho Atogwe, S (the kid can play ball), DeShaun Foster, RB (he is gathering dust in SF).
I really don't think we are going to do much with the team at this point though. We underachieved last season and overachieved the season before. At this point seeing a team go out on the field that is having fun and competing would be better than trying to get more "me first" players, and for the love of God beat the damn Steelers.
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unfortunately for him, Mike Brown just can't stay healthy
as for DeShaun Foster...he looked wretched in very limited action last year
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But his learning environment was horrible and ruined him somewhat mentally and physically. He had a lot of starts...Young on a team rebuilding from the bottom up - 06 n 07 two new systems. But 06 damaged him mentally as he picked up bad habits running away from the rush...even when it wasn't there.
He learned those habits in college playing behind a bad offensive line.
What he didn't get here was much of a chance to get out of habits he allready had.
Of course it wouldn't have mattered because he had nothing for an arm.
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Sorry, Shadow, it wasn't to start out. But apparently all threads lead either A) to Berea or B) out of Berea if you are a QB or want to do so. Point is that a number of them are legit questions. QB mystery is as bad and dmning to me as a controversy. Last thing the Man-Thing needs to do is fdollow RAC's gut on this. I say deal if we have a vet who can play to mentor the leftovers, not start, and can play better than Dorsey (last is a giveaway IMO).
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My post above that was deleted by ref 2 was because I tried to inform you guys that Rod Hood had visited the Browns and Bengals this past week and will visit. It was deleted I presume because of no link not because of anything offensive. Here is the Link
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Omigawd, Dong! That reference to the splits is toyched into my skull and won't go away. Hate what I see; but I can't help but hate even more what the learning curve must have looked like until he got right with it. Gotta gargle and spank my mind.
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Can you translate that into OLD FART language as I didn't understand a word you said... lol 
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Excuse me, but how the hell do you know this? The answer is you don't. Sorry, but you're so full of crap your eyes are brown.
I'm compelled to commend you on the very polite way you started your post by interjecting the apology "excuse me" After all one must observe the social graces when informing another that they are "full of crap"
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