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OBR EXCLUSIVE: He's perhaps the Cleveland Browns' most electrifying player. And he's very unhappy. John Taylor reports that Josh Cribbs is so upset about progress on a new deal that he will skip the team's "voluntary" minicamp this week...
Barring an unexpected and unforeseen change of heart over the next 24 hours or so, Josh Cribbs will not be participating in the first "voluntary" full-team minicamp of the Eric Mangini Era, multiple sources have told The OBR.
The "voluntary" minicamp begins on Tuesday of this week, and there is "virtually no chance" Cribbs will be taking the field with the club.
Cribbs' agent, J.R. Rickert, when reached via cell phone by The OBR yesterday, refused to comment on the status of his client or how contract talks have progressed. He did allow, though, that he will release a statement tonight to address the state of the Cribbs situation.
However, a source familiar with the situation tells The OBR that talks between the two sides on a new deal "have gone nowhere. Absolutely nowhere." The last time the Browns spoke to Rickert regarding Cribbs' contract was a week ago.
One Browns source stated that "the team is having a hard time figuring out a value to place on what Josh brings to the team. He's obviously a tremendous football player, a tremendous asset to the team and to the city, but we all just have to find some type of way to gauge financially what is acceptable in relation to what he does and to the [salary] cap."
Cribbs' current contract, signed before his breakout 2007 season, was a six-year, $6 million extension which contained a $2 million signing bonus. There are four years remaining on the deal, with base salaries of $620,000 (2009), $635,000 (2010), $650,000 (2011) and $790,000 (2012) scheduled according to NFLPA documents. Additionally, there are "up to $400k" escalators built into each remaining year of the deal, with only the final escalator voidable by the club.
Cribbs is also eligible for $25,000 in workout bonuses in each remaining year.
As The OBR has reported in the past, Cribbs is not necessarily looking for a new deal right now; he is, however, looking for some type of meaningful progress in the talks. Apparently, said progress is not to the return specialist's liking and he has made the decision to skip the first round -- at least -- of "voluntary" camps.
The two sides have not exchanged specific numbers throughout the course of their talks. Instead, the source said, they have talked "concepts".
It's believed Cribbs would be amenable to a contract laced with incentives tied to his participation on the offensive side of the ball.
The biggest source of Cribbs' consternation with the state of his current contract is the fact that he was promised by owner Randy Lerner, ex-general manager Phil Savage and ex-head coach Romeo Crennel on multiple occasions last year that the Pro Bowler "would be taken care of" following the 2008 season.
After the firing of both Savage and Crennel, it was reiterated to Cribbs by Lerner that he would still be taken care of as had been promised.
It was Cribbs' understanding, based on subsequent conversations with the current management, that the issue would be dealt with in earnest following the 2009 draft. A little over three weeks since the April 25-26 draft, he has yet to see the type of movement he desires.
Based on their current actions -- or inactions as some might be wont to label it -- the new regime of Mangini and GM George Kokinis is in no hurry to make good on promises made by their predecessors.
And, in the end, there's a very good chance that the Browns' current stance will force the Cribbs' camp into adopting a stance in the not-too-distant future that nobody involved wants to see: "Pay me or trade me."
An e-mail seeking comment from the organization regarding this latest development has yet to garner a response.
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I think Cribbs deserves a better contract...HOWEVER...this is NOT the way to go about it.
I don't think he is anything more than a Wildcat on offense and could be a Safety on D...maybe a darn good one.
Holding out will only push the new regime to consider him only a STer...which will keep his current contract right where it's at.
Yes...I'd be po'd too if the former regime made that promise and now it looks like that won't be honored...however...he is only hurting himself by not being their at every camp.
He needs some good advice from a level head right now...two things that agents seem to rarely provide.
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He is worth more immediately. Don't see us getting better without him having a fine year. So up the salary, condense the years, and put the ouchy stuff in incentives and earnable escalators. Why mess this up? He was a player when a number of others were not. don't crap on your best. HOWEVER, get your butt to workouts. If you want to be payed disgustingly well as a football player, PLAYER, sitting on one's butt off the field and out of uniform when team is practicing is NOT the way to proceed IMO. Go to werk! LEAD BY EXAMPLE. Better ways to approach things.
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Cribbs needs a simple gesture from the FO that they understand he's underpaid. Leave his contract as it is but throw in a $2 million bonus for this year and then revisit it after 2009.
Cribbs gets respected and paid, and the FO gets some time to see who he can really be.
Salary cap implications are for 2009 only.
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Very disappointed in Cribbs.
He's a special Teamer. He's not a WR, not a RB not a whatever.
What is he?
A kick returner and a special team Extraordinaire - He signed a 6 year contract with a 2 mil signing bonus. His contract isn't up until 2012.
I cannot remember one Kick Returner that lasted too long and be effective. He's Ok as a punt returner but nothing special.
His HEART is amazing and his biggest asset....but he just replaced that with a POCKET Open Wide asking for more Money.
How bout establishing yourself onto a Unit on Offense or D, the new regime will give that opportunity and then once doing so negotiate a contract accordingly.
Right now he's got a Special Team Kick Butt player's contract...which is exactly what he is.
Very dissappointed in Cribbs.
Mostly cause he just made himself exendable...these guys love him with a good attitude - with this kind of leadership??? I'd be surprised if we negotiate faster...actually I see us trading him now 
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How bout establishing yourself onto a Unit on Offense or D, the new regime will give that opportunity and then once doing so negotiate a contract accordingly.
...actually I see us trading him now
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this was a bad move on Cribb's part. He has a chance to establish himself as more then just a special teamer- and he decides to skip the minicamp. I agree EO, get in there- work hard, produce as more then a special team player, and i bet this FO will step up and reward you. Go about it the wrong way, "me first" and you might have just bought a ticket out of town. That would be disappointing as a fan......
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Normally I hate when a player skips OTAs because of money, but he deserves some more cash and this may be the only way to force the issue.
If it's true they promised him a new deal, then show him some respect and pay him. He's one of the few players in 2008 who showed guts.
Coaches are always saying how important Special Teams are, and we know he's a great ST player, so pay him.
Anybody know what does Hester makes?
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Hester signed a 4 year, $41 million deal last summer. He also sees a lot of time at WR, though, as well. He's not very good at the position, however.
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Hester signed a 4 year, $41 million deal last summer.
j/k.....and returned 0 kicks & punts for TD last season.
Yes Cribbs is underpaid, and yes he deserves more, but this isnt the way about doing it or Getting Respect, I think one would gain more respect by showing up and first honoring his last signed contract, which he did agree to and signed...didnt he, I think he did, doing that gains respect, not sitting out.
I wonder if Cribbs wants his value, his worth, or has cribbs forgotten where he came from and his head & ego are becoming bigger than his worth. Just asking. Just remembering a guy a fews ago, begging just for a chance, just one chancce..How soon we forget, where we come from.
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yeah but that's human nature.
He asked for a chance, got it and far exceeded expectations. He's worth more than a lot of players on this team.
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this was a bad move on Cribb's part. He has a chance to establish himself as more then just a special teamer
First of all, you know how these things go,, someone floats an idea out there.. someone like the player or the player agent, then we see what happens.. What gets stirred up by it.
We don't know what Cribbs intentions really are.. he may show, he may not..
But your comment above says it all, with a new regime, he has a chance to really show he's got skills beyond what he's been used for in the past.. it's his time to shine and not showing up may turn out to hurt him more in the end.
But I kinda understand it from a players perspective.. if he shows up, knocks one out of the park all season long in an expanded role, no doubt he gets a fat contract...
But if he comes in, lays an egg in the expanded duties,, he's not gonna get a dime more than what he's getting.
It's a chance and maybe he's not willing to take that chance. Given the nature of the beast (injuries and all) I'm not sure I'd think differently in his shoes... Maybe you just gotts strike when the iron is hot so to speak.
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I doubt Cribbs is letting his ego get in the way. It can be argued that he is the team's MVP at best, and a top five contributor in terms of performance, production and leadership at worst. He gets paid jack in NFL terms. $6 million over six years with a $2 million signing bonus in 2006 was pretty much a "show me" deal, and like several have said, he's far exceeded expectations. This is one of a very few instances where I'm fine with saying "pay the man".
I expect D'Qwell to be the next guy looking for a new deal, between him being a free agent in 2010 (depending on CBA status), leading the league in tackles last year, and being called untradeable by Mangini.
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If he wasn't a productive player and well liked, everyone would be saying..... "Self-centered, arrogant, jerk.. cut him now." Funny how that works. 
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Exactly. Once again... human nature. Cribbs is well-liked because he's a freakin' beast with balls of a tiger. 
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The biggest source of Cribbs' consternation with the state of his current contract is the fact that he was promised by owner Randy Lerner , ex-general manager Phil Savage and ex-head coach Romeo Crennel on multiple occasions last year that the Pro Bowler "would be taken care of" following the 2008 season.
After the firing of both Savage and Crennel, it was reiterated to Cribbs by Lerner that he would still be taken care of as had been promised.
It's Lerner that you should be disappointed in. Whether Cribbs deserves a new contract or not becomes largely irrelevant once the team owner says "I will take care of you"
If my boss promises me a raise and doesn't honor his commitment I'd be ticked off too. I think any of us would.
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yeah but that's human nature.
He asked for a chance, got it and far exceeded expectations. He's worth more than a lot of players on this team.
Money wise agreed, he deserves more....But is this how we want a team leader to act on our team, I'd say no, I'm sure a fine argument can be made for both sides, but Cribbs also has to man up to his contract he signed, just as much does Randy L if he agreed to renegotiate his old one. Nothing is gained by sitting out.....He wants to lead....wants respect this isnt the way of going about it....atleast not in my book,
Money wise yes he deserves it no argument.....
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yeah, upon reflection.... I can see the other side of the argument, too.
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I hope this isn't true and I hope Cribbs shows up. But, it is a voluntary minicamp. If he doesn't show up, it isn't like he's going to be punished.
That being said, I think him now showing up will punish himself. I have to think that if he showed up anyway, despite the contract matter going on, that really puts him in a good light with not only his teammates but also his coaches.
But, they all know this is a business. If he's good enough to get more playing time, they'll plug him in somewhere. He's just going to be behind in the workload.
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i'm surprised with all the negativity towards Cribbs here.
he is far underpaid for his services. he not only returns kicks, but is our best ST cover man as well. anything he does on offense or eventually defense is gravy (he's our metcalf and steve tasker rolled into one player).
now, i wish he could negotiate and still show up to mini-camps and have everything go smoothly and get his raise....he tried that LAST year. it ended up getting him nothing and now negotatiations are going nowhere. the only leverage he has is to not show up for mini-camps and get a good faith gesture in negotiations.
the real question is what contract will make him happy....if he wants Hester-money, that is ridiculous as STers are just not worth that type of cap-hit. if he wants $4-5 mil / year for 3 years....sign him and be done with it.
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i'm surprised with all the negativity towards Cribbs here.
In this econmy, the man should just be happy to be getting paid pretty good doing something he loves. alot of good people are out of work or getting paid less for doing something they hate, looking back he's pretty lucky if not blessed.
I do believe were unhappy with his actions, and I'm not buying into this was his only actions / leverage, many people have reported and still got what they wanted with respect. but it is voluntary so maybe he's just making a statement and hopefully report when it's for real, .....Didnt we just rip apart some TE for Tampa Bay who skipped a voluntary mini-camp....ohhh ya that was Kellen.......think about it.... 
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In this econmy, the man should just be happy to be getting paid pretty good doing something he loves. alot of good people are out of work or getting paid less for doing something they hate, looking back he's pretty lucky if not blessed.
most on the Kellen thread pointed out that the media was trying to create a non-story (not showing up when he had an excused abscense).
anyway, there is a flaw if you try to compare a football player to one in "normal" society. the NFL salary cap just went up to $128mil despite the economy as the NFL is not being affected nearly as much as most businesses.
he should feel lucky and blessed and by most accounts, he seems to genuinely feel that way. but, he also have a small timetable and is underpaid...I will not fault him for trying to get a more fitting contract to his skill (now, I reserve the right to change that if he is really asking for $10mil/year or something)
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I don't think he's looking for Hester money. The Bears took a huge gamble that he'd be an integral part of the offense and so far they've been on the losing end of that one. I think $4-5 million per year for three or four years is perfectly reasonable, maybe with some incentives tied to defensive or offensive performance.
RE: whether his decision to not show up to a voluntary camp is good or bad, I'm sure that the FO is more than happy to keep paying him the $650k or so that he's making per year, especially considering his production. If they don't resign him this offseason, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't even be earning the veteran minimum. The only way he's going to get his (well-deserved) payday is if he takes a stand.
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In this econmy, the man should just be happy to be getting paid pretty good doing something he loves. alot of good people are out of work or getting paid less for doing something they hate, looking back he's pretty lucky if not blessed.
Until the economy keeps people from buying the tickets and the merchandise, these guys can demand all they want.
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Yes Cribbs is underpaid, and yes he deserves more, but this isnt the way about doing it or Getting Respect, I think one would gain more respect by showing up and first honoring his last signed contract, which he did agree to and signed...didnt he, I think he did, doing that gains respect, not sitting out.
Teams terminate contracts all the time. If they don't like the players rate, even though they signed the contract too, then the team forces the player to renegotiate they just cut the player outright. So then nobody has "respect". Listen, the current CBA lets teams and players do this all the time. Don't complain about the people using the system....complain about the system.
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I wonder if Cribbs wants his value, his worth, or has cribbs forgotten where he came from and his head & ego are becoming bigger than his worth. Just asking. Just remembering a guy a fews ago, begging just for a chance, just one chancce..How soon we forget, where we come from.
So since Cribbs came from the Mid American conference as an UDFA then he's supposed to be ok with earning less than what similar players are earning (Hester*)? And because the economy is bad....he's supposed to be happy about it too? Please. [*I'm not saying he's the same player as Hester......but many people are using Hester's play and contract as benchmarks for Cribss - right or wrong).
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.....Didnt we just rip apart some TE for Tampa Bay who skipped a voluntary mini-camp....ohhh ya that was Kellen.......think about it....
I remember reading the entire "Winslow didn't report to OTA's" thread......95% weren't ripping him apart at all. And the ones that were shouldn't have. Winslow missed some voluntary workouts and his absence was cleared in advance with the Bucs management. I said this in the Winslow thread and I'll say it here now, "it was an excused absense...who cares!"
Look, I don't like it when my Browns holdout for more money (or any NFL player)........I agree, it does make them look greedy. It also makes them apear like they think they're above the team and being a distraction is ok. However, the league lets this practice take place. For the most part, we don't see this in any other sport. Blame the CBA, period.
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anyway, there is a flaw if you try to compare a football player to one in "normal" society.
There is no flaw about it. If it wasn't for football, many of these guys would be working along side the rest of us "normal" society.
Maybe someone should remind them of that once in a while. I'm all for getting what you can get but athletes in general have an inflated self worth, based on only looking at those around them.
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Look, I don't like it when my Browns holdout for more money (or any NFL player)........I agree, it does make them look greedy. It also makes them apear like they think they're above the team and being a distraction is ok. However, the league lets this practice take place. For the most part, we don't see this in any other sport. Blame the CBA, period.
I agree. Non-guaranteed contracts (which seems like an oxymoron if you ask me) are more or less the cause of this. Personally, I like it a whole lot less when the person holding out is doing so despite his production, not because of it, however.
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I gotta laugh, -Work your butt off for a promotion. -Your boss tells you how well your doing and that he's gonna take care of you. -You KNOW your worth alot more than what your getting paid. -nothing happens. Sounds like a REAL job to me.  Anyways,...Cribbs deserves more and throwing him a bone right now could go a long way.
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j/c strange to get a reaction so quickly, or at all, from the cribb's report Quote:
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The following statement was released by the Cleveland Browns on Monday afternoon:
"Contrary to published reports this morning, no one from the current Browns organization, including Owner Randy Lerner, has ever made any promises to Josh Cribbs with regard to his contract status."
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I have a feeling the organization realizes Cribbs is a fan favorite, so they want to try to quell anything before it starts.
Personally, I don't think they had to say anything.
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I gotta laugh,
-Work your butt off for a promotion.
-Your boss tells you how well your doing and that he's gonna take care of you.
-You KNOW your worth alot more than what your getting paid.
-nothing happens.
Sounds like a REAL job to me.
Anyways,...Cribbs deserves more and throwing him a bone right now could go a long way.
I agree, I think he deserves a bone.. not only that, he was out there saying very positive things about Mangini, back when every other article was negative...
With that said, I'm not sure what he wants.. to use your analogy.. you can work your butt off as a hospital receptionist and be promised promotions... that still doesn't mean you are getting paid like a doctor. He's a special teams specialist with SOME offensive or maybe even defensive potential... He is always exciting and is arguably the best special teams player in the NFL the last couple years, but his salary needs to be compared to other special teams players...
I hope it gets all worked out..
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It makes sense that it was Phil and Romeo that might have made promises to Cribbs. Lerner doesn't seem like the guy to have contract discussions with his players.
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I gotta laugh,
-Work your butt off for a promotion.
-Your boss tells you how well your doing and that he's gonna take care of you.
-You KNOW your worth alot more than what your getting paid.
-nothing happens.
Sounds like a REAL job to me.
Anyways,...Cribbs deserves more and throwing him a bone right now could go a long way.
I agree, I think he deserves a bone.. not only that, he was out there saying very positive things about Mangini, back when every other article was negative...
With that said, I'm not sure what he wants.. to use your analogy.. you can work your butt off as a hospital receptionist and be promised promotions... that still doesn't mean you are getting paid like a doctor. He's a special teams specialist with SOME offensive or maybe even defensive potential... He is always exciting and is arguably the best special teams player in the NFL the last couple years, but his salary needs to be compared to other special teams players...
I hope it gets all worked out..
Oh, I agree. He should be getting top salary for what he's doing though, I dunno, maybe he already is but I hope he's not looking for a Hester kind of contract.
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ESPN articleSource: Browns' Cribbs wants new deal By John Clayton ESPN.com Archive Joshua Cribbs, upset because the Cleveland Browns haven't tried to renegotiate a contract he believes he's outperformed, could sit out the next two weeks of voluntary minicamp and might be close to asking for a trade, a source said. Cribbs Cribbs A 2007 Pro Bowl selection, Cribbs has developed into one of the most versatile players in the NFL. He's averaged 1,945 all-purpose yards over the past three seasons. One of the game's most dangerous return specialists, Cribbs is also a threat as a receiver and a running back. New Browns coach Eric Mangini even has plans to use Cribbs at cornerback for around 18 plays a game. His complaint is a seven-year, $6.77 million contract extension he signed in 2006. According to a source, the Browns acknowledged to Cribbs last season he had outperformed his contract. "Contrary to published reports this morning, no one from the current Browns organization, including owner Randy Lerner, has ever made any promises to Josh Cribbs with regard to his contract status," the Browns said in a statement Monday. AFC North ESPN.com's James Walker writes about all things AFC North in his division blog. • Blog network: NFL Nation He has 2,312 all-purpose yards in 2007, a season in which he earned a Pro Bowl selection. Last year, he had 1,523 all-purpose yards. He had 15 less kickoff returns last season but consistently has been able to break one or two returns for touchdowns a season. Cribbs stayed quiet about his contract in 2008, anticipating a move from the team. Coach Romeo Crennel and general manager Phil Savage lost their jobs at the end of the season, and Cribbs hoped the new administration would act on the remaining four years of his deal. He's scheduled to make $645,000 this season. The source said he was recently informed that Mangini didn't want to change the contract. The Browns have voluntary minicamps Tuesday through Thursday this week and next week. John Clayton is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.
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agreed. hope cribbs doesn't react poorly to this. Quote:
The Cleveland Browns have responded to reports regarding receiver/kick returner Josh Cribbs’ intent to skip a voluntary minicamp because he believes that the team has not honored a promise to adjust his contract.
And, as a league source tells us, the Browns’ statement is going to cause Cribbs to react even more negatively.
The statement reads: “Contrary to published reports this morning, no one from the current Browns organization, including Owner Randy Lerner, has ever made any promises to Josh Cribbs with regard to his contract status.”
Our source suggested that an additional sentence be added to the statement: “Nor has anyone from the Cleveland Browns ever told the truth about this issue.”
We tend to believe our source on this one. We’ve now been told by multiple sources that Lerner advised Cribbs after the termination of G.M. Phil Savage and coach Romeo Crennel that Cribbs’ contract would be addressed.
Also, the Browns’ statement implicitly confirms our understanding that new G.M. George Kokinis is taking the position that the “current” regime should not be bound by the promises of the former regime.
Where this all leads remains to be seen. In our view, it’s the clearest sign yet that turmoil remains within the Browns organization.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/18/browns-throw-jet-fuel-on-the-josh-cribbs-fire/
it sounds like, if lerner did so at all, lerner promised cribbs they'll still look at the contract stuff before the hiring of mangini/kokinis. now that they're in place, it's possible that the FO feels no obligation to get anything done. i also see this as a possible "exemplary" situation, where they may feel that, if they cave on the first issue, they'd open the floodgates so they're taking a harder stance.
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In our view, it’s the clearest sign yet that turmoil remains within the Browns organization.
That's a reach.
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In our view, it’s the clearest sign yet that turmoil remains within the Browns organization.
That's a reach.
Exactly. So, if a worker is unhappy with their pay then that's a sign of turmoil within a team/company. Well, that pretty much describes every current workplace on the planet. I guess turmoil is everywhere because I'd like to get paid more too.
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FACTS
-Cribbs is worth more money then his current contract
-Cribbs is a fan favorite.
-Cribbs has a HUGE POTENTIAL that is never ending to be used on Offense and Defense.
-Cribbs has acted like a Role Model for other Teammates and Fans (Until Now).
-Cribbs has out preformed his expectations and contract demands.
I can see Cribbs earning any wheres from 1.5 Million (With BIG INCENTIVES) and up to 3-4 Million a year.
We have the Cap Space, and the Browns could ultimately make a huge mistake here. Treat your Fan Favorites well, and if they are a playmaker, well that is just an added bonus!
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Well, if they're looking for the surest way to alienate the entire fanbase, trading Cribbs would be it.
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it sounds like, if lerner did so at all, lerner promised cribbs they'll still look at the contract stuff before the hiring of mangini/kokinis. now that they're in place, it's possible that the FO feels no obligation to get anything done.
If Lerner made the promise, then Lerner needs to instruct his guys to go get it done.. I know he's hands-off, but he IS still the owner.
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i also see this as a possible "exemplary" situation, where they may feel that, if they cave on the first issue, they'd open the floodgates so they're taking a harder stance.
Good point, we don't want to have to renegotiate with everybody that outperformed their contract last year...
Uhhh other than Cribbs, who would that be? 
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FACTS
-Cribbs is worth more money then his current contract
-Cribbs is a fan favorite.
-Cribbs has a HUGE POTENTIAL that is never ending to be used on Offense and Defense.
-Cribbs has acted like a Role Model for other Teammates and Fans (Until Now).
-Cribbs has out preformed his expectations and contract demands.
That's all true except the Role Model thing.. he's not really done anything yet,, it's just being reported that he may.. I'll wait and see before knocking the guy..
But putting that aside.. He should be dealt with in a better manor than this.. He's worth more money and if there is room in the cap,, pay the man...
JMO however
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