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Buzz up!0 votes PrintBEREA, Ohio (AP)—Braylon Edwards(notes) wants to atone for his disappointing 2008 season, just not in New York.
After an offseason filled with trade rumors that had Edwards going to the Giants, he is still with the Cleveland Browns, trying to help pick up the pieces of a 4-12 season.
“I felt like if I’d have left Cleveland for any reason, I would have left with a bad taste in my mouth and in the fans’ minds,” Edwards said. “The thing I want to do is get back to being the player the Browns drafted in ’05 and the fans saw in ’07.”
As the Browns’ voluntary three-day minicamp concluded Thursday, Edwards was still catching passes from both Brady Quinn(notes) and Derek Anderson(notes). Seemingly, nothing really changed following the offseason trade of tight end Kellen Winslow(notes) to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
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Edwards, Quinn and Anderson were all topics of various trade rumors in the weeks leading up to the NFL draft. New Browns general manager George Kokinis even admitted to discussions with the Giants involving Edwards. Ultimately, Kokinis and new coach Eric Mangini decided to try and win with the same nucleus that underachieved last year.
“We were all bad collectively,” Anderson said. “Coaches, players, everyone was bad. We’re moving past that. It’s all behind us. It’s a new year and that’s how we’re focusing on it.”
The quarterback competition between Quinn and Anderson that engulfed training camp last season appears to be back. Mangini wants to use the summer to look at both guys before deciding on a starter. Quinn took the first snaps with the starters this week, but both quarterbacks evenly split all the snaps, Mangini said.
“(Quinn) has done a really outstanding job in the offseason program,” Mangini said. “Not that Derek hasn’t done well, but I thought (Quinn) got the edge, so he took the first reps. There’s no overwhelming significance to that. The goal is balance.”
Edwards is certainly looking for balance after a dramatic drop in production last season. He had 55 catches and three touchdowns in 2008 after his Pro Bowl season of 2007, when he caught 80 passes and 16 touchdowns. Edwards also led the league in dropped passes in 2008.
“When you rush things a lot and there’s a lot going on, you feel as though things are happening and happening and happening, and you’re in a hole you can’t get out of,” Edwards said. “It’s an easy game when you have fun. That’s the biggest thing for me. It’s not necessarily a confidence thing, but just really having fun with the game and enjoying it.”
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— Browns wide receiver and return specialist Josh Cribbs attended a full squad meeting on Thursday after previously threatening to skip the voluntary minicamp. Cribbs, trying to renegotiate his contract, did not take part in the workouts, but did meet with Mangini following the team meeting.
“I look forward to him being out there,” said Mangini, who wouldn’t say whether he would be open to renegotiating the final four years on Cribbs’ six-year, $6.7 million deal. “These are voluntary camps, so it’s not a mandatory situation. Everybody has to make the decision whether to attend or not.
“But I can tell you there is a ton of information going in, and it’s an opportunity for us to see all the different players. When you’re here, you get those reps. When you’re not, you don’t.”
— Along with Cribbs, kicker Phil Dawson(notes) and wide receiver Donte’ Stallworth(notes) were absent from the workouts. Dawson is believed to be holding out for a new contract, while Stallworth’s arraignment in Miami on DUI manslaughter charges was postponed Thursday until June 4.
— Running back Jamal Lewis(notes) attended the camp, but didn’t participate in many team drills while rehabilitating from offseason ankle surgery.
“It feels good. I’m just doing what the trainers ask me to do,” Lewis said. “I don’t want to do anything crazy or take the chance of injuring it.”
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edwards is coming in with the right attitude. i think we're going to see him perform, especially now that he's becoming the centerpiece for the passing game with winslow's departure. the guy was just growing up and i hope we keep him for the long term.
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No doubt... I'd take the 2007 version of BE any day. I hope he is able to return to that form. If we can get a decent #2 and #3 on the field, that will help him out some. 
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Dawson is believed to be holding out for a new contract
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I want to do is get back to being the player the ... fans saw in ’07.
Amen, BE. THAT is all the vast, VAST majority of us care about and want. Be a tights wearing diva, be Dennis Rodman, whatever the heck you want... but you do on the field what you did in '07 and nobody is going to care one bit.
Do what you did in '08 though, and you're going to hear about it - again.
It's GREAT to hear that from him.
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I hope all the fans realize this about Edwards... That he hasn't been demanding a trade or anything like that, at least publicly, in the offseason. I just keep having the sinking feeling that some uninflemed or misinformed fans are going to boo him week 1. If anyone has a right to complain about the way they were treated by the new regime this offseason, it's Edwards. And he hasn't.
Where's the vitriol for Dawson for not showing up? (assuming the holdout thing is true.)
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If he can catch, I have absolutely no problem with the guy. We shall see.
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Say it ain't so, Phil!
If anyone deserves a new contract, its Phil Dawson.
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Where's the vitriol for Dawson for not showing up? (assuming the holdout thing is true.)
In the thread discussing his and Cribb's no-shows.
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I thought Braylon had someone to speak for him the other day... lol.. Glad he is talking now..
Sidenote: I didn't know Jamal Lewis had surgery.
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Say it ain't so, Phil!
If anyone deserves a new contract, its Phil Dawson.
Maybe, but that's not the way to approach it.
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Not directly at you, but just what does everyone think is the "best way to go about it"?
I'm guessing the answer is going to be something along the lines of "get in there and work your butt off". They can do that all they want, but the FO isn't going to just come up to them and say "you know what, you've been working really hard. I think we should give you a new deal." You don't get promotions without asking for them.
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I'm actually not too worried about Braylon. He was having a tremendous camp until he injured his foot, and he and the team never seemed to recover. He's in a contract year, he's got something to prove, and by his choice of words, he knows it.
I think Braylon will have a fine season.
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If anyone deserves a new contract, its Phil Dawson.
Maybe, but that's not the way to approach it.
Clearly I'm biased... 
But logistically, if I was looking for a new deal, I wouldn't participate in anything 'voluntary' just based on the fear that something freak might happen. I understand that there's about a .01% chance of a kicker injuring himself in non-mandatory workouts but you know the guy has an agent in his ear telling him how to handle things, and any smart agent would keep such a client away from anything that wasn't required.
I highly doubt Phil would miss anything that was required of him.
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Not directly at you, but just what does everyone think is the "best way to go about it"?
they want the player to just report to work, do his job, and hope that management presents the player w/ a raise on their own accord.... 
I'm siding w/ Cribbs... Yes, he is fortunate to make a lot of money even w/ his current contract... but there are players out there that haven't done half as much as he has on the field (ie Brady Quinn), and he is already making more than Cribbs.
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Not taking anything away from Josh, but first off Brady was drafted in the first round. The contract comes with the territory.
Secondly, QB's, especially starting QB's, are going to be paid more than a special teams player.
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I'm just saying... not trying to compare the two.. but Josh has actually done what most fans want players to do...
Earn their check!!
didn't mean to turn this thread into a Cribbs related one..
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“When you rush things a lot and there’s a lot going on, you feel as though things are happening and happening and happening, and you’re in a hole you can’t get out of,”
Is he speaking of dealing with pressure or game speed and game time decision making?
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Edwards said. “It’s an easy game when you have fun. That’s the biggest thing for me. It’s not necessarily a confidence thing, but just really having fun with the game and enjoying it.”
This actually concerns me.
Of course its fun when its easy. I want someone who is clutch, maintains focus, a warrior at heart, and overcomes adversity. Nothing in the NFL is easy. If he cant perform under stress and only when its fun... I'M VERY CONCERNED.
Dont get me wrong... I'm glad BE is still on the team and we didnt trade him. Drops or no drops he's still the best we have. I just hope/prey last season is 1 in a million for him. This statement of his tells me that he is still immature and has some growing up to do professionally, in the NFL.
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Sidenote: I didn't know Jamal Lewis had surgery.
I believe it was to clean up some lose particals in his ankle, noting serious.
As for Phil Dawson & wanting a new contract, This is one player / person I will not comment about when it comes to contracts, I respect & appriciate Phil so much for what he's done for this team. I dont care if he's a kicker....WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT MAN.
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Didn't Phil just recently sign a contract extension?
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Edwards said. “It’s an easy game when you have fun. That’s the biggest thing for me. It’s not necessarily a confidence thing, but just really having fun with the game and enjoying it.”
This actually concerns me.
Of course its fun when its easy.
You turned that completely around. He didn;t say it was fun when it was easy. He said it is easy when it is fun. I take that to mean that when he is out there and the game is going well and you are having fun (at its root, it is still a game), things get easier. Think about that Giants game last year. Everyone seemed to be loose and having fun, and we were almost just toying with the Giants, almost like a cat that as a mouse by the tail. I think this is what Braylon is talking about and probably has that game specifically in the back of his mind when he says that.
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I'm glad you know the origins and thought process of his statements.
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Regardless of his thought process or any hidden agendas,, for the moment, I'll take BE at face value without reading between the lines.. under those circumstances,, I hope he backs it up on the field and off.
I'm good with him if he does.
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Against the fitting backdrop of a voluntary minicamp, Cleveland Browns receiver Braylon Edwards says he wants to remain a Brown and hopefully make up for a forgettable 2008 season. The Browns spent time leading up to the April draft in trade discussions with the New York Giants, who were interested in acquiring Edwards to replace jettisoned star Plaxico Burress.
Edwards, who is entering the final year of his contract, said Thursday that reports of the teams' talks did not bother him.
"I didn't get excited [about the rumors]," Edwards said, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "One, they were rumors and there was nothing to hold on to. And two, I felt like if I would have left Cleveland for any reason, I would have left with a bad taste in my mouth."
After a breakout 2007 season in which he had 1,289 receiving yards and 16 touchdown catches, Edwards had by most accounts a miserable '08. He was criticized for dropping balls and had 55 receptions, 25 fewer than in '07, and only three for touchdowns.
"I wanted to get back to playing good football, definitely here," Edwards said, according to the Plain Dealer. "It's a business and who knows what's going to happen next year. But for me, it was just about getting back to what I know I can do and being the player the Browns drafted in '05 and that the fans saw in '07."
In what was reported as his last discussion with the Browns, Giants general manager Jerry Reese told Cleveland he might be willing to part with a second- and a fifth-round pick. Nothing came of it and New York ended up drafting a receiver, Hakeem Nicks of North Carolina, with the 29th overall pick.
"Obviously they didn't get what they wanted, which means they felt highly of me to ask for a lot and it didn't go down that way and I'm still here," Edwards told the newspaper. "I'm happy to be here.
"There's a lot of players here that I still know, some new players. I remember [rookie receiver] Brian Robiskie at 17, having him out here when he was a ballboy and now he's one of my teammates. I think it's going to be a fun season. I'm excited to play with these guys and play in this new system and see what happens."
Edwards said he hasn't spoken to general manager George Kokinis or new coach Eric Mangini about the team's trade discussions.
"Right now I'm a Cleveland Brown and that's what I'm going to be until that day happens," Edwards said. "It won't be my decision."
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I just found this article, and thought that it was interesting. It appears to me that Mangini has got all of his players except Cribbs happy now. And as far as I'm concerned, just trade Cribbs or something. He isn't that irreplacable.....Surely we could find another KR/PR in FA or something....or maybe even somebody on our roster. How much is Cribbs wanting, anyone know...????
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Didn't Phil just recently sign a contract extension?
2005, and it was a five-year deal.
Unlike Cribbs, it can be argued that it's time to adjust his deal. However, he's an aging player so if I'm the Browns, I may not do it this year.
As for Edwards, hey, we all know that when it comes to Braylon, talk is cheap. He's quit, talked about not quitting, then quit again.
Nothing he says means anything to me. The only way he can gain back any respect is to do it on the field.
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Talk is nice, gives everybody that warm cozy feeling. For me say what ya want, just come September, play ball do what your paid to do and the rest will take care of itself.
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It appears to me that Mangini has got all of his players except Cribbs happy now
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How much is Cribbs wanting, anyone know...????
I can't remember which article it was in, but if I remember it correctly, they were using the contract Hester got from Chicago as a starting point. That was 4 years at 40 million with 15 million guaranteed..
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However, he's an aging player so if I'm the Browns, I may not do it this year.
What would u do .. wait till next year when hes a year older ...
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That didn't make alot of sense,especially considering he's a kicker.The good ones just get better with age.Much like myself.
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Pretty sure that cranky spice's point was that if him aging is a reason to not re-up him now then it certainly will be next year.
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Actually, yes
Kickers are just like QB's in one respect: As age creeps up, they lose strength in the extremity of prefence.
Dawson is a unique guy in that as he got older, his leg actually gained strength. But he's 34, and that leg strength could go at any moment. It was at this age that Mike Vanderjagt (sp?) lost his leg strength and was soon out of the league. Stover maintained his leg strength until about the age of 37. The Rats had to then sign a guy for the 50 yarders.
So Dawson could be good for a few more years or he could be on his way down. So how do we tell? You let him go into the season and show what he's got.
What I'd do is ask Dawson to come back into camp. If he gets well into the season and shows the same leg-strength that he's had the last few years, then I'd extend his contract. All he's really looking for is some signing bonus money to stick into his pocket. That can be done by adding a few years onto his deal.
I really like Dawson. He's not a top-5 kicker in the league, but he's right there in the next 5. Those types don't grow on trees. The problem is that his age says he's about at the end of his road. And he's a kicker  Ask him to prove he's still got it then we'll give him a little sumthin'.
You gotta make him show he's still got it. You never know when he may have kicked his dog and hurt a tendon in the off-season.
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This actually concerns me.
Of course its fun when its easy.
"It’s an easy game when you have fun" and "its fun when its easy." are 2 different things.
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Talk is nice, gives everybody that warm cozy feeling. For me say what ya want, just come September, play ball do what your paid to do and the rest will take care of itself.
Action speak louder than words.
Do you know who was fantastic about pledging a new work ethic and doing all the right things and making it sound like he could turn a corner?
Gerard Warren.
He did it here every year...then he pulled it in Denver. But, it was always the same old Warren that showed up on Sundays.
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I'd say Braylon – as much as I've criticized him – has more character than Gerard Warren.
Warren is lazy and a punk. Braylon isn't lazy. Overly-sensitive and emotional, but IMO a pretty-faced WR who is willing to block like he is can't be that bad a kid.
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Not directly at you, but just what does everyone think is the "best way to go about it"?
I'm guessing the answer is going to be something along the lines of "get in there and work your butt off". They can do that all they want, but the FO isn't going to just come up to them and say "you know what, you've been working really hard. I think we should give you a new deal." You don't get promotions without asking for them.
I think the way to handle it is to show up and get your agent to do what they do best.
I know this won't be popular, but honestly, if it were me, I'd be looking for a cold weather kicker with a monster leg. I love Phil, but he's not indispensable, and frankly all the drama surrounding some of his kicks is wearing a little thin, as probably is the musculature in his leg.
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Cranky spice .. just wants to make sure he understands what your saying .. we can't extend him this year cause he needs to prove he can still do it ... so we need to make sure he did not lose it between last eyar and this one ... but if he proves he can do it this year then we can extend him cause we do not need to worry that he will lose it next off season when he is a year older .... 
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You and about 31 other teams... anybody that can kick in cold weather can also kick in warm weather.. the reverse is not always true.
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What drama? His kicks are surrounded by drama for 2 reasons...
1. You are a Browns fan. When you watch a kick in any other game, there is no drama because you generally don't care so much if they make it... trust me, the fans of those teams are twisting in the wind on each kick too.
2. The Browns scored so few points last year that every single point was excrutiatingly valuable... A Dawson miss was extremely upsetting because we weren't going to get too many scoring chances...
The drama isn't about Phil, it's about the fans.
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Pay attention meatball
Extend him now without seeing him at all, or wait until he's shown up, proven that he still has his leg strength, has proven it in a few games, THEN give him a bump.
Capiche?
The only other viable option is to just say "screw you, Dawson. You signed a deal. Play under it or don't play and don't get paid."
That really isn't much of an option  So instead of handing him a new deal RIGHT NOW, they can make him prove that he's still got it, THEN give him a new deal.
He's probably never going to see the back end of any contract he signs anyway, so if he gets a little bump and a few years added to his contract then gets cut when he's 37, it's not going to handcuff the organization. Handing him a new contract WITHOUT seeing him this year is definitely not the best thing to do.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Its Mr. Cranky Spice to u .. thank U ... and its really really hard to pay attention to U almost all of the time .. with all the spin and weaving going on I get dizzy most of the time ..  well thats what i thought u were saying at first .. but in your first brain teaser u said wait and see if he still has the leg strenght at the end of the season .. thats what had me confused .. so let me try again ... let Phil show up ... kick thorugh TC and through the first month/half of the season .. and then extend him?? .. or wait till just before the season ends but do it so the bonus counts for this years cap also ... OK .. hows that ... do i finally capiche?? ..
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Cranky Spice? What's with the pet names? Sounds like something you'd give to your hormonal girlfriend....
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