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Boooo. I would love for us to make a run at him..
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This has been the assumption I've had for a while.
I havent talked or even thought about Steinbach too much because I feel like he'll just re-sign. Or go elsewhere. I know we have the money, but cmon, who would choose Cleveland over Chicago? Especially when theyre going to the SB this year.
The only way we could lure him over other teams is the closeness and in the division he could play Cincy twice. I dont know, but im not very optimistic.
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The use of "Cleveland" in his quote is to strike fear into in the Bengal front office that he might leave to their rival up north. It will drive up the price.
I hope Savage at least gets to talk to him about an offer.
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He'd be an idiot not to test the waters, unless the Bungles play hardball with him and tell him that their offer will only go down over time, a strategy that is very risky.
I really hope he test the waters and we should pay the guy the money to come here, we need lineman!!!
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I've not been overly optimistic about us getting him, even though I would love to see it. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bengals make a decent offer. On the other hand, if they don't, he will likely look to one of the contending teams first but will ultimately go where the money is. So unless Cincy heavily overpays him to stay, I would expect him to test the FA market. We have a shot at him but I'm not sure how good of a shot?
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We better go get him, come on! I can't wait until Bentley comes back to the line. If we get Steinbach, I think it will be LT=Thomas or that guy from the Cards, Steinbach, Bentley, Butler?, Shaffer. 
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This doesn't surprise me. The Bengals have something like $30 mill in cap money to play with themselves & the only major players that they have coming up as free agents are Steinbach & Justin Smith. Why not try to re-sign Steinbach? From what I've seen, even though alot of Bengals fans (that I've seen post on other sites) seem to think that Whitworth is a suitable replacement on the O-Line, they'd still rather re-sign Steinbach than Justin Smith.
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In FA, it's all about the Money,, you ask why he would come here rather than Chitown, simple, if we offer more money, he'll come here....
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I don't even think about FA possibilities until the market opens.
If Steinback is there, great, it not, oh well.
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If Steinback is there, great, it not, oh well.
Exactly...Cant control it, dont worry about it.....
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but cmon, who would choose Cleveland over Chicago? Especially when theyre going to the SB this year.
Then why even negotiate with the Bengals?
My point? Money talks. If the Bengals give him what he wants, he's a Bengal. If they don't, he goes to the team that offers him the most cheese.
There's a perceived negativity around here that players won't come to Cleveland because we're a losing team right now. That's never been the case, and there isn't one single situation that can be proven where a player chose another team over us because of that misconception.
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Does anybody think Cinci might tag (franchise or transition) Steinbach if they can't reach an agreement before FA begins? I guess that would mean paying him like a top LT (I don't think OL are differentiated by position, are they?) though, so perhaps not. On the otherhand, look at what Hutchinson got from the Vikes last season.
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I have a question and don't want to start a new thread, and so apologize if this one gets highjacked. I think it affects Steinbach though. Why do so many people assume that LCB won't be back next yeart? Because we aren't hearing anything? If that is the only reason I'm stumped why folks are ready to write him off. If he comes back (and I'm one who thinks he will be....I mean why not?) then do we need to spend the $$$ on Steinbach? I really want to re-sign Hank Fraley (any news there?...anyone...anyone?) and if so do we NEED steinbach. (I'd still take him even if all the pieces were in place) I guess I'm asking for some actual news.
1) What IS up with LCB and why or why not will he be back.
2) Are Druzzi and Coleman coming back? (I know Coleman is a FA...right? and should we pursue him?)
3) What is up with Tuck? And if he is gone (but I'm thinking he comes back or would have retired by now) what about Shaffer? LT or RT?
4) IF we had Shaffer, Coleman, Hank, LCB, Druzzi, and Tucker would we still be in dire need of a G? Or a T?
Ok, call me stupid or not, but here are some topics I want to see talked about before we jump on the Steinbach wagon. If we lose some people I want him signed, but I hear he's a finesse guy. I don't know if we need another finesse player on the OL. Are there better options than Coleman at G for the $ (who always seemed like an ok run blocker to me) If we had all players from question #4 I'd say we don't pursue him (Stienbach) but get some OL in the draft.
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I have a question and don't want to start a new thread, and so apologize if this one gets highjacked. I think it affects Steinbach though. Why do so many people assume that LCB won't be back next yeart? Because we aren't hearing anything? If that is the only reason I'm stumped why folks are ready to write him off. If he comes back (and I'm one who thinks he will be....I mean why not?) then do we need to spend the $$$ on Steinbach? I really want to re-sign Hank Fraley (any news there?...anyone...anyone?) and if so do we NEED steinbach. (I'd still take him even if all the pieces were in place) I guess I'm asking for some actual news.
1) What IS up with LCB and why or why not will he be back.
2) Are Druzzi and Coleman coming back? (I know Coleman is a FA...right? and should we pursue him?)
3) What is up with Tuck? And if he is gone (but I'm thinking he comes back or would have retired by now) what about Shaffer? LT or RT?
4) IF we had Shaffer, Coleman, Hank, LCB, Druzzi, and Tucker would we still be in dire need of a G? Or a T?
Ok, call me stupid or not, but here are some topics I want to see talked about before we jump on the Steinbach wagon. If we lose some people I want him signed, but I hear he's a finesse guy. I don't know if we need another finesse player on the OL. Are there better options than Coleman at G for the $ (who always seemed like an ok run blocker to me) If we had all players from question #4 I'd say we don't pursue him (Stienbach) but get some OL in the draft.
I think that Phil said that he'd comment on Bentley's situation at or after the combine at the end of February.
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Phil made a comment last week at the SR Bowl... "Versatility helps," Savage said. "The center/guard combination would probably be of most interest to us because we feel like Isaac Sowells might be a swing guard/tackle." link Phil flat out said center/guard is the area of highest interest. A statement like that indicates - the Browns do not expect Bentley to be much of a contributor in 2007. 
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or is he implying that Druzzi and Coleman will be gone and then we need 2 Gs?
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or is he implying that Druzzi and Coleman will be gone and then we need 2 Gs?
If he was only interested in Gs, why mention C as an area of need?
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I wonder if there is any implication that negotiations have stalled with Fraley?
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1) What IS up with LCB and why or why not will he be back.
2) Are Druzzi and Coleman coming back? (I know Coleman is a FA...right? and should we pursue him?)
3) What is up with Tuck? And if he is gone (but I'm thinking he comes back or would have retired by now) what about Shaffer? LT or RT?
4) IF we had Shaffer, Coleman, Hank, LCB, Druzzi, and Tucker would we still be in dire need of a G? Or a T?
At this point we really don't know about LCB and I'm not sure how much the Browns really know? I think, at the very least, they want to cover all bases.
I really expect either Druzzi or Coleman to be gone, though one could hang around as depth. We need a serious upgrade at Guard.
I think everyone is in the dark about Tucker?
Uhhh, that's basically the same OL that we have had, LCB would be a big boost but not enough to make up for the lack of ability that Coleman, Druzzi, and even Shaffer have shown. So YEAH, we would still need more OL, way more.
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I don't see Steinbach coming to Cleveland unless Dopie seriously overpays him. The Browns are one of the worst franchises in the NFL and have zero stability. Hell, they change coaches more than some people change underwear. They continually lose and don't look to be a good team in the near future. I don't see any hometown ties w/Steinbach like Bents and Joe have.
And if Dopie does have to overpay him..........is that a good thing?
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I don't see Steinbach coming to Cleveland unless Dopie seriously overpays him. The Browns are one of the worst franchises in the NFL and have zero stability. Hell, they change coaches more than some people change underwear. They continually lose and don't look to be a good team in the near future. I don't see any hometown ties w/Steinbach like Bents and Joe have.
And if Dopie does have to overpay him..........is that a good thing?
Money talks. And of course he's gonna be overpaid no matter where he goes. That's the nature of FA, add in the fact that the CBA means a higher cap than ever, you're going to see record contracts (wouldn't surprise me if someone makes Samuels the highest paid corner, if not defender period).
Sure he has no hometown ties, but surely Kirk Ferentz is telling him how great the one you call Dopie is.
Just a thought, if we sign Steinbach, re-sign Fraley and draft a guard in round 2 (assume Thomas is off the board, cuz you and I both want Thomas if he's there), will you finally acknowledge that we invested in the offensive line?
I'll state this right now: If we draft Quinn or Peterson (I'll poop a brick if we draft Calvin Johnson) and ignore the trenches in round 2, I'll be right there with you in calling Savage Dopie.
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" I know we have the money, but cmon, who would choose Cleveland over Chicago?"
Not meaning to pile on...but "TAXES", What are the taxes in Illinois around the Chicago suburbia??? When you are making Millions it means a lot.
don't know the answer...all I know is your Gas n Liquor in Ohio n Cleve. suburbia is a heck of a lot lower than where I am...well anywhere is but you know what I mean.
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I don't see Steinbach coming to Cleveland unless Dopie seriously overpays him. The Browns are one of the worst franchises in the NFL and have zero stability. Hell, they change coaches more than some people change underwear. They continually lose and don't look to be a good team in the near future. I don't see any hometown ties w/Steinbach like Bents and Joe have.
And if Dopie does have to overpay him..........is that a good thing?
Same could have been said about the Bengals until about 4 years ago. Money talks heavily.
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ignore the trenches in round 2, I'll be right there with you in calling Savage Dopie.
This could very well happen since Savage has said that there are quality lineman on Day 2. Does this mean we wont draft a guard higher, who knows? Also just because Savage doesnt do what we would do doesnt mean that he is "Dopie". I think we would have to assume its all a part of his master plan.
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" I know we have the money, but cmon, who would choose Cleveland over Chicago?"
Not meaning to pile on...but "TAXES", What are the taxes in Illinois around the Chicago suburbia??? When you are making Millions it means a lot.
don't know the answer...all I know is your Gas n Liquor in Ohio n Cleve. suburbia is a heck of a lot lower than where I am...well anywhere is but you know what I mean.
If he really was concerned about taxes he would go to a Florida or Texas team as those states don't have state income tax. Dallas, Houston and Miami could all use his services.
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Well if he really has a problem with Cincy then coming here would be sweet for him. However, money talks in this league and we are going to have to overpay to get him.
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Cincy has to at least go through the motions of talking with him. If they let him go without a peep then there would be serious backlash from the fans. I had no doubt there would be talks, the question is whether or not they can offer him enough to stop him from seeing what other teams will offer. He will likely still test the waters. I think we'll have a crack at overpaying him. But face it, whoever gets him will do it by overpaying.
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Cap, your right, those that think he won't come here because of instability in the organization are missing the boat,,, they just chose to be negative for the sake of negativity,.,.
And like you say, whoever gets him,,,including the Bengals, will be overpaying,,
And it's all about the money,, The worse team in the league (at least by the W/L record) is Oakland,,, If Al Davis would pony up the money, Stienbach would be a raider,,,
Of course, that's JMO,,,,
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those that think he won't come here because of instability in the organization are missing the boat,,, they just chose to be negative for the sake
Those who are saying that need to take a long look at the orginization he's currently playing for, yes their stable, but there all in jail, on probation, getting arrested, smoking pot....i'm sure they have thier good guys and maybe Stienbach is one of them, but maybe he wants out of this atmosphere, yes money is # 1.
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I guess that's my point.. There are a ton of problems in Cincy as well.. Yes, as of right now, they are a better football team than we are.. But then again, they have had thier coach and GM in place for what now,,, 4 years.. And prior to that, what were they.... The answer is they were sorrowful... Pitiful,,, awful and basically, they sucked.,. Today, they are contenders.. and it took a while and some decent drafts... (now all they need to do is stop picking the felons in the draft)
There are those on these boards and especially in the media that feel as if there is NO hope for the Browns,,, Of course there is,, what has to take place for that to come about may be a little unclear or up for debate, but there is hope... You needn't look any further than the Bengals to see that.
Perhaps, Stienbach, pockets loaded with Randys loot, will see it that way...
Hey, that's as valid a theory as any other that has been advanced..
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Ahhh...to have a state ran by the Bush's - nice to have taxes cut...lol
Didn't have a clue on Ohio Taxes was thinking had to be cheaper than Illinois???
But a complete guess and also guessing that is how Dallas became America's team.
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problem is and always has been ... HE MORE THAN LIKELY WONT HIT THE MARKET ... they can Franchise him .. and my uneducated guess is they will .. why?? for no other reason than it MAKES SENSE ... they have one of the best OL's in football (top 5 .. possibly top 3) .. and Anderson is getting old .. actually hes getting archiac as he is all ready old .. so they need to replace him soon .. why would they let one of the top YOUNG gaurds in the game today walk?? it makes NO SENSE ... so they more than likely wont ..
I'd LOVE to get him .. but i just dont see it ..
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While true, remember one thing:
They are the Bengals, and Lewis has a God complex He thinks he can do no wrong by constantly taking criminals into the fold. It backfired this year and even those dolts in the Bengals front office know it.
Then there's the fact that the Bengals continue to be notoriously cheap.
It's not likely, but there's hope in Mudville.
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Oh of course that is something that could happen,,, however, I was under the impression that they wanted or were at least talking about putting the tag on a Dlinemen they have that's an UFA... Here's the info on him: Quote:
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The Bengals 2001 first round pick, Smith has shown improvement over time and become a significant threat to the opposition’s quarterback. Smith has tallied 41.5 career sacks up to this point, and totaled 7.5 in 2006. He has also been a consistent tackler with more than 54 total tackles each season of his career and a high of 81 this season. Smith is a big and quick pass-rusher, and will command a good deal of attention on the market. He’ll make a solid addition for any team looking to apply extra defensive pressure from the outside.
He's gonna cost an arm and a leg to keep also so one of them maybe availble when the time comes..
Nothing says they can't sign them both,,they do have a decent cap number so it's possible.. But that's a whole lotta loot tied up in two guys... The good news for the Bengals is that they are both pretty young and have plenty of years left if they can stay healthy.
If I'm the bengals, I make sure I don't lose either one,,, But like Toad said,,, Lewis has a god complex thing going on there (or so it seems) so he may say he can live without one of them. Which one is anyones guess.
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I'll way in on this thread...lots of good thoughts from all you. Personally, I like Eric Steinbach for his athletic ability (especially pulling...need i remind you of the goalline TD in the game in Cleveland, Steiny got the block that allowed Rudi to get across the line) and versatility. However, if it's going to take 50 million to sign him, you can have him. Whitworth is more than capable as taking over for him, but it will directly affect our draft. If Steiny leaves, we are left with only 2 backups Stacy Andrews(who happens to be a RFA) and Nate Livings (Practice Squad guy from LSU). Shifting Whitworth over also hurts our Tackle Rotation b/c as someone pointed out earlier, Willie Anderson is a Great RT but he's getting old. If we were to let Steiny go, likely we would have use at least 1 if not 2 of our picks on Oline. Frankly with our holes on Defense, I don't want to do that but it's also important to keep Carson off his ass.
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Also, the Bengals are not Cheap. They are smart...we have been doing a great job of locking up our young talent (Carson, Levi Jones, Chad, Geathers, etc.) to long term, cap smart deals, which give the organization flexibility. Free Agency quite frankly is highly overrated...it's good for adding depth to your organization and that's all. Just my opinion
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these days, it's best to utilize it for emergency fixes/upgrades only.
Free Agency will kill a team if it's over used.
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