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Sources: Browns rookies and agents upset about 10-hour bus trip to work at Mangini camp
by By Mary Kay Cabot
Friday May 29, 2009, 11:14 AM
Thomas Ondrey | The Plain Dealer
Updated 1:15 p.m.Browns rookies and their agents are upset at head coach Eric Mangini, according to multiple league sources.
Multiple league sources have said the Browns rookies and their agents are upset that Browns coach Eric Mangini is taking them on a 10-hour bus trip to Hartford, Conn., Friday to work at his football camp tomorrow and then busing them back home after the camp. "It's a sophisticated form of hazing,'' said one league source. "I've never heard of anything like it.''
Mangini's eighth annual football camp, for under-resourced children in grades 8-12, is voluntary for the rookies -- but all felt compelled to attend.
"It's voluntary, but's it's B.S. voluntary,'' said one source. "These players are fighting for starting jobs and playing time. What are they supposed to do, say 'no, I'm not going?'''
Browns spokesman Neal Gulkis issued the following response in an email:
1. This was not mandatory.
2. Eric had reservations about doing it at first and then people told him they thought it would be a good opportunity for them to be exposed to this type of event, and having the chance to work with the kids.
3. Since the rookies have been back, we have a lot of programs that are set up for them which are designed to improve them professionally, build team unity and also help serve the community. In fact, since they have been back in mid-May, they have visited a Veterans hospital and are scheduled to visit a school next week.
4. Also, if anyone is "dismayed," nobody has expressed that to anyone in the organization.
One source said the rookies aren't opposed to charity work, "but put them on the plane. The camp comes right in the middle of voluntary minicamp and next week's organized team activities. They're expected to show up Monday and perform at a very high level after being on a bus for more than 20 hours over the weekend.''
Another source said trip most likely violates the rules of what's reasonable for a team to expect. But an NFL Players Association source said the Browns are not breaking any rules as long as the trip was voluntary and that the players wouldn't suffer any consequences from not going.
"Even the Browns veterans are baffled by it,'' said one source.
A release from the Browns this week said the "entire Browns 2009 rookie class and the Browns coaching staff, as well as representatives of four other NFL teams, will be present to help work with the kids.
The camp takes place at Mangini's alma mater, Bulkeley High School, in Hartford. More than 800 students attend the camp, which runs from 8-4. Proceeds benefit the Carmine and Frank Mangini Foundation, named after Mangini's late father and uncle.
I'm not really sure what to say, except that the players should suck it up and go. They weren't going on a school bus, i'm sure it was coach............ I took a bus from Prague to Amsterdam, and on my way back I was stuck sitting next to a giant ugly, unpleasant Czech National Gymnast Coach, who was a woman that had a man's haircut. All this while I was all stoned off the Brownie I had just eaten, not speaking much Czech at all. Now that's a real bus trip
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It's a test boys...shut up do what the man asks. He's looking for buy in here!
Besides, your under contract now, put the PS3 away and man up.
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I'm sorry, I may be way off base here, but this is all I can think of: 
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Wow, the media really is trying to make Mangini look like a POS as best they can. They are even finding ways to make his charitable work sound like he is a horrible person. If it was voluntary, DON'T FREAKING GO! I admit, as I would do in ANY job I was trying to get, I would do it even if I didn't want to but that's the way the game is played. Hazing?!?  That's a good one. 
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Hazing?!? That's a good one.
Where can I be hazed for this kind of job that pays me hundreds of thousands of dollars a year or even into the millions to play a game I would love to be playing?
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i don't have a huge problem with it but it kinda sucks. why not fly them? it's between practices and he's screwing with their time off. not a big deal but not a great situation either. Quote:
Besides, your under contract now, put the PS3 away and man up.
i don't think any of our rookies are under contract right now. to my recollection, only the 49ers signed any rookies so far, and they were 2nd day picks.
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 1) It's 10 hours on a luxury coach.
2) It's 2009. Watch a DVD, talk on your cell, play a video game
3) It's a charity event. Stop being a turd and be glad you can participate.
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a 10-hour bus trip, while not a bowl of cherries, won't hurt them. Agents are whining, sniveling pukes.
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Question: What is the harm in these guys going?
Now, would it maybe make more sense to go on a plane? Yes, it would. But, seriously, what would these guys be doing if they weren't on this bus trip?
I just don't see why so many guys are so PO'd about this. Yeah, it might be irritating, but you just suck it up and do it. You're in the NFL now, there are certain things expected of you.
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1) It's 10 hours on a luxury coach.
2) It's 2009. Watch a DVD, talk on your cell, play a video game
3) It's a charity event. Stop being a turd and be glad you can participate.
That's a good perspective.
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One source said the rookies aren't opposed to charity work, "but put them on the plane. The camp comes right in the middle of voluntary minicamp and next week's organized team activities. They're expected to show up Monday and perform at a very high level after being on a bus for more than 20 hours over the weekend.''
So, they're not opposed to charity work, so long as it doesn't interfere with their weekends.
And hell yeah they're expected to show up at camp on Monday and perform at a high level!
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Right.... they'll be lounging, sitting/sleeping on a bus. It's not like they're climbing Mount Everest all weekend for christ sake. They'll have all day Sunday to "get their energy back"  .... I'm sure they can perform Monday.
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No no, each of these guys would have taken this weekend to thoroughly study the playbook, never taking time for leisure activities or goofing off. Nope, this 1 day of bus time will pretty much eliminate their chances of making this team.
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Now, would it maybe make more sense to go on a plane? Yes, it would.
Not necessarily.
Browns facility to airport - load unload - 1 hour
Security check in - 1 hour
time on the runway - 30 min
flight - 2 hours
getting from the plane to the car - 30 min
ride from airport to event - 1 hour
That's 6 hours (which could easily turn in to more) if there aren't any delays or airport/plane related issues. It's a bunch of jostling around every hour or two.
On the bus they can get on and go to sleep for six hours. (or maybe even study their playbook like rookies should be doing but can't do on a public plane).
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If it was really "voluntary," he should have asked the whole team for volunteers... not just a specific group of guys trying to make the team/compete for starting spots. I mean, this includes the UDFAs, right? Of course they're going to feel compelled to go! This is BS. It's unfortunate because obviously it's a good cause, but they should have gone about this differently. 
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Vets have done plenty of that stuff in the past. There are earned perks to being a vet, you know. Just the way it is in life, and in football. Quote:
Multiple league sources have said the Browns rookies and their agents are upset that Browns coach Eric Mangini is taking them on a 10-hour bus trip to Hartford, Conn., Friday
Those "multiple sources" are probably all agents.
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It sounds like its the agents whinning more than the players. "Boohoo, we want to ride first class on a plane."
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Just goes to show that the old-school ways of doing things aren't popular anymore. It's too bad really, because today's world of pampered athletes as well as everyday people is causing it's own share of problems.
As for the media............well...........who cares. We all know the media in Cleveland suck by now
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Sounds like a subtle-test to weed out "prima donna" rookies and free agents. Might as well find out now, than later in the season when they've turned into a locker-room cancer.
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let's play devil's advocate here....
would it be the worst thing even if Mangini did setup this trip with the 10 hour bus ride to see how the rookies react to adverse travel and how it affects their performance on the field (practice on Monday)?
I mean, aren't these guys going to have the constant practice and travel during the season and if this helps Mangini figure out which can deal with it better, isn't that a good thing?
and shouldn't these guys be bending over backwards to prove that the travel doesn't affect them and that they can and will do anything for the team at this point?
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No no, each of these guys would have taken this weekend to thoroughly study the playbook, never taking time for leisure activities or goofing off.
LOL I wonder, could that study the playbook while on a 10 hour bus ride? Isn't that killing two birds with one bus?
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Clipped the following from a story on the main site. (It's a pretty good story, actually). At least one vet is going, too. The agents are sounding whiny on this one; everything about the camp sounds positive. Not just for the kids, either: volunteering is often a rewarding experience, as many know. Quote:
Browns quarterback Brett Ratliff worked the camp last year when he played for the Jets and plans to volunteer again for this year's camp.
"It's a great experience for the kids and for us as coaches," Ratliff said. "At this level we're given a platform to be seen by younger football players and it's a lot of fun to be out there working.
"I think I can see a little of myself in those guys as far as having big football dreams and at that point they're still just dreams."
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What the hell is so wrong with charity work?
And what the hell is so wrong with TEAM BONDING?
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Gift sums it up well imo .. and to me what the article appears to be moaning about is BS .. there missing where the gripe should be IMO .. the bus trip .. WIPPIE DOO .. (just curious .. is it 10 hours both ways .. or 5 one way for a total of 10 .... cause if it is 20 ... thats alot of bus ride over a 48 hour or so period) ... but again .. WIPPIE DOO .. suck it up ... its for a good cause .. the charity work .. I doubt any of them have a problem with that .. and if they do l.. BITE ME ....  so them griping THAT ASPECT IS BS .. I do agree that the amount of time the browns are asking for is alot .. there not asking for these guys to just donate time at a charity event .. there asking them to give up 3 days of there FREE time .. it would be one thing for them to say .. hey ... can u come work at my camp in Berea on Sat ... as opposed to them saying .... hey can u give up Fri/Sat and Sun to work my camp on Saturday ... as thats what there basically doing .... but i gotta tell U guys and gals .. It does not sit well with me that U ask someone that is fighting for a job with U to "help out" .. to put it in perspective Toad .. that would be like U having 4 folks reach the final interview stage for an asst. F & B job .. then ask all 4 of them if they will go donate there time bartending at a charity event 5 hours away that your hotel is sponsoring at a different location the day before final interviews start .. Naa .... thats not right IMO .... what this article is WHINING ABOUT is BS IMO .. but sumptin just does not feel right about asking folks that are basically job interviewing to work at a charity event .. it just does not seem like an appropriate thing to do given the state of the proffesional relationship at this point .. once they make the team .. thats a different story ...
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Diam, it is likely a 10 hour trip each way for a total of 20.
And you make an interesting point about them being essentially "prospective" employees. I hadn't thought of that.
But it still sounds like a lot of whining to me.
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What the hell is so wrong with charity work?
nothing .. its a good thing ...
just wondering ... whens the last time U or anyone else that is moaning about them supposedely griping about it DID ANY???? ...
especially Charity work that took 48 - 72 hours of your time ... and was requested by a potential employer that U were int he "interview" proccess with ..
just curious .. 
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I agree .. it does sound alot like whining .. well cause it is whining .. *L* ..
I just do not think the Browns should have put them in this position .. it is AKWARD to say the least ..
and I am not bashing the Browns or Jeannie for this .. at the end of the day .. it was for a good cause .. but man .. the "proffesional relationship" and what stage its at .... and what there asking them to do just does not sit well with me .... it feels slimy .. even though it is for a GREAT CAUSE ...
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1) It's 10 hours on a luxury coach.
exactly and also grow a set if you didn't want to go then don't volunteer.
Its not a freakin school bus. Its probably the same one that takes seniors to Foxwoods  And they got to go to the bathroom every 10 minutes.
All I know is we better get a good n tight CBA or bring on the scabs again and beat the union cause if Agents start running this sport it will ruin it.
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Yeah, I see nothing wrong with this. Gift Horse has the answer 
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Wow, the media really is trying to make Mangini look like a POS as best they can. They are even finding ways to make his charitable work sound like he is a horrible person.
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"It's a sophisticated form of hazing,'' said one league source. "I've never heard of anything like it.''
Hazing...I guess this guy needs to examine the definition of hazing. They aren't being asked to go there in their underwear or Dancing for the Stars outfits 
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What the hell is so wrong with charity work?
And what the hell is so wrong with TEAM BONDING?
Unbelievable...
Yep...Still say it's deeper than just a random pick of a few guys guys.
He may be looking at spending more time with a certain few to get to see what makes em tick, what they're commitment is and maybe even try to teach a bit on the way up.
Who knows, but I'm sticking with the theory that there's a method behind the madness.
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And what the hell is so wrong with TEAM BONDING?
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Yep...Still say it's deeper than just a random pick of a few guys guys.
He may be looking at spending more time with a certain few to get to see what makes em tick, what they're commitment is and maybe even try to teach a bit on the way up.
Who knows, but I'm sticking with the theory that there's a method behind the madness.
I agree.
They're probably not gonna talk football all the time...if anything it's a "lets get to know each other more" so you can learn to trust your teammates and coaches to create an "I got your back" mentality of playing for each other.
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the bus trip .. WIPPIE DOO .. (just curious .. is it 10 hours both ways .. or 5 one way for a total of 10 .... cause if it is 20 ... thats alot of bus ride over a 48 hour or so period) ...
Cleveland to Hartford CT... without a doubt, 10 hours one way.. 20 round trip.. no way out of that one.
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just wondering ... whens the last time U or anyone else that is moaning about them supposedely griping about it DID ANY???? ...
especially Charity work that took 48 - 72 hours of your time ... and was requested by a potential employer that U were int he "interview" proccess with ..
For those of our guys who aren't guarenteed to be millionaires AKA later round picks and UDFA's, they should be happy just go get a chance to play in the NFL.
How many guys want the opportunity to try out for the Cleveland Browns (or any team for that matter).......... Just to be a potential player. If that bus ride is what's stopping you and your dream, you need to get your act together, because there are plenty of other guys who will take a bus across the country and back, to have the chance to play for an NFL team
Let's just not make a bigger deal out of this bus ride than it has to be, ya know. One day at a football camp (which is very normal for athletes of every sports) and 20 hours coach bus. Big deal...........
As for Alex Mack, all our 2nd round picks, etc., if they have a problem with going to the camp than they need to get over themselves as well. They're about to be paid tons of money, much more than pretty much any of us make. Just a bump in the road, stop whining.
So yeah, if this frustrates the players, than they can go home. They need a reality check, it's a privilege just to get a chance to play in the NFL........
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What a bunch of crybabies. If they don't like it let them go down to the Dairy Queen and get a job.
When I was in the Navy our ship adopted a school for retarded kids. One weekend a month we were ordered to get on a bus at 0600 go to the school and paint and clean. We also played ball with the kids and just hung out. Guess what? We loved it and so did the kids.
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I'm i'm a rookie...
I freaking go WITH Pleasure!!! OMG!! You are in the NFL now... So many people would trade their spot in a heartbeat....
OMG!! I can't believe some of these guys are complaining.....
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let's play devil's advocate here....
would it be the worst thing even if Mangini did setup this trip with the 10 hour bus ride to see how the rookies react to adverse travel and how it affects their performance on the field (practice on Monday)?
I mean, aren't these guys going to have the constant practice and travel during the season and if this helps Mangini figure out which can deal with it better, isn't that a good thing?
and shouldn't these guys be bending over backwards to prove that the travel doesn't affect them and that they can and will do anything for the team at this point?
The first thing I thought of was "Wow, he'll sure figure out who can suck it up after a rough weekend." Twenty hours on the bus, one day to recover, and then practice. We'll see who can recover when fatigued. Let the agents whine.
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We drafted another Leon?? lol...
Or several.
Pretty stupid IMO.
They have to spend a total of 20 hours on a bus over a couple of days.... how bout working as a physician resident in a hospital and work 20 hours straight? Or an EMT and do a 24 hour shift? That's their jobs. This was voluntary. Quit crying.
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I'm going to go ahead and assume this'll be a better bus ride than the Greyhound I took from Columbus Ohio to Sarasota Florida via New York City and Washington DC on spring break '92 to meet up with a girl I met a few weeks prior. That trip included sitting behind a homeless man that smelled like an open grave, had cardboard shoes and was loudly coughing up juicy lougies and slapping them around in his mouth the entire trip and a schizophrenic woman that made her seat into a little house/fort across the isle from me and would peek out with one eye at me and giggle. Talk about not being ready for game day when I got to my destination...
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