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i think you are being a little over dramatic about Quinn...
Mangini hasn't given him anything...
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i think you are being a little over dramatic about Quinn...
Dude .. saying that Throw was a "little" overdramatic would be like saying that there were a "few Indians" at Custers last stand ...
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Mangini is not a fool, if he likes Anderson better, he will go with him,
If Jeannie likes DA better than he is a FOOL ... and like u said he is NOT A FOOL .. there is no comp here at all .. the CORANATION will be in full swing in another month .. DA can not carry BQ's jock ...
U can kid yourself all U want ... and make up all the BS U want about BQ .. its the same old story ...
weak arm ... chokes .. padded stats ... all HOGWASH from the UNINFORMED ... not gonna waste my time as i have reffuted it all in detail many many times .. some folks just don't want to accept it ..
tell Loyal and the "witch is dead" i said hi ... 
Where do you come up with this stuff?
what has Quinn proved honestly? He had "one" DECENT game against one of the worst pass defense in the NFL last year....i am not ready to name him oh la Savior yet.
He struggled mighty against Buffalo...you see the savior, I see a glorified Charlie Frye...Quinn frightens me...I why?
Shut down the run and bring pressure right up the gut...The Bills did this and Quinn struggled....Teams stacked the line with Quinn in there, they did not with Anderson because they respect his arm.
I am not saying Anderson is the savior either
Personally I think both QB's are not the answer....I think Anderson could give us more than Quinn in the short term, but neither one is the long term answer....we need to find a QB next year...I just have this huncy feeling Quinn is going to disappoint folks
Besides, what does it matter...when quinn throws his first INT against the Steelers or whatnot or does it in a close game the fans will be ready to boo him out of the staduim anyways
They never forgave Anderson for the Cincy game 2 years ago, sadly, Anderson was the primary reason we were even in contention to begin with...our D blowing a 20+ point lead against the Steelers had nothing to do with us making missing the playoffs right? 
We have more pressing issues then QB, but i personally don't think either of them is a longterm answer....
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Shut down the run and bring pressure right up the gut...The Bills did this and Quinn struggled....Teams stacked the line with Quinn in there, they did not with Anderson because they respect his arm.
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DA can not carry BQ's jock ...
He would have to be able to pry it away from you first. 
You make some bold statements with zilch, except your love of the Golden Domers to back it up.
For your sake I hope you are correct, or there's gonna be a lot of posters dogging you .
Nobody knows who's going to come out on top. Mangini aint talking .
Both have talent , but nobody has stepped up as of yet.
So go ahead and tell me how BQ was so great at ND that he single handely took them to the ..... oh I can't remember what bowl game it was.
Shouldn't he have won this starting job already being he's so great ?
I mean like during the coin flip. If he's as great as you state , coming in late wouldn't matter, right?
You know , I think I'll take Mangini at his word, then be happy with WHOEVER he picks.
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Quinn's arm is no weaker than Tom Brady or Peyton Manning's. Most important traits in a QB IMO:
1. Decision Making - Quinn is well known for being good at this and not making many mistakes. DA is known for the opposite.
Advantage: Quinn
2. Accuracy - DA has no short range accuracy whatsoever. Quinn isn't considered to be incredibly accurate, but for the life of me I don't know why. I like his accuracy a lot.
Advantage: Quinn
3. Pocket Presence - DA rarely leaves the pocket, has a very quick release, and seems to be aware of what is going on around him. I haven't seen enough of Quinn in a pro environment to say with absolute certainty, but he seems to have a good presence in the pocket as well.
Advantage: DA - Though they are both very good here.
4. Leadership - Quinn is known for being an amazing leader. One of the main reasons he got drafted so high. On the other hand, I think DA is underrated as a leader. His teammates like him, and despite some "reports" that have surfaced about him, I see no reason to think that he isn't a good leader.
Advantage: I can't say here. I honestly can't.
5. Arm Strength - DA has an absolute cannon. He has one of the strongest arms in the NFL. Quinn's is average to above average.
Advantage: DA - By a mile.
6. Size - DA is 6'6" 230. BQ is 6'4" 235. Both have great size.
Advantage: DA - I prefer the two inches to the 5 pounds.
7. Mobility - DA is slower than mud. There are few QB's in the NFL with worst speed. BQ's mobility is definitely above average, and is plenty good.
Advantage: Quinn - Not even close.
Both won 3 of 7 categories with a tie. Quinn has the top two. Once again, the categories are up for debate but that is how I rank them. I prefer Quinn over DA. People who prefer DA probably prefer a Brett Favre over a Peyton Manning. I don't.
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He struggled mighty against Buffalo...you see the savior, I see a glorified Charlie Frye...Quinn frightens me...I why?
Shut down the run and bring pressure right up the gut...The Bills did this and Quinn struggled....Teams stacked the line with Quinn in there, they did not with Anderson because they respect his arm.
The same Bills game where he broke the finger on his throwing hand yet played through it??? 
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If you have not seen enough of DA at this point I don't know what you have been watching? I'm not bringing any thing new to the table but if we didn't trade Quinn when we had the chance this off season common sense should tell ya it is BQ's time. If you and others can not see that then you are not looking!
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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He struggled mighty against Buffalo...you see the savior, I see a glorified Charlie Frye...Quinn frightens me...I why?
Shut down the run and bring pressure right up the gut...The Bills did this and Quinn struggled....Teams stacked the line with Quinn in there, they did not with Anderson because they respect his arm.
The same Bills game where he broke the finger on his throwing hand yet played through it???
thats just an excuse....EVERY player in this league plays hurt to some extent..all of them
for Petes Sake Big Ben was playing in the Super Bowl with a messed up shoulder...
Brett Farve played a whole seaon with a broken thumb on his throwing hand and a broken ankle on his planting foot..1997..won a super bowl
quinn wasn't hurt that bad, your making a mountain out of a mole hill..i pounded concreate with a sledge hammer for 3 weeks with a broken thumb and a broken index finger on my right-hand...I still did my job up to standards
i can't believe your making an excuse about a broken thumb...that is just lame honestly...lame...
Personally..if Quinn played that bad because he had a broken thumb on his hand...i don't want him as my QB...that means the guy is just soft, plain and simple....Brett Farve threw balls 60+ yards with accurancy on a thumb that was badly broken back in 97....Quinn is young..tough it up and play
DA played hurt in the KC game 3 years ago with a tweaked Hamstring and the dude still rumble 40+ yards running guys over for that big run that set us up for a win.....which guy you want?
I don't buy the broken thumb thing, its not that big of a deal...Ben played with a broken thumb 2 years ago and did just fine...Won the Super Bowl with a severly messed up shoulder on his throwing arm
It doesn't matter though, Quinn will get all the excuses here, the bottom line is the fans here hate DA....he doesn't have a chance here with you people regardless
He throws 29 TD passes(more than any Browns Qb in history in a single season) and he sucks, but Brady Quinn has a bad game against Buffallo and its his broken thumb fault...how ironic
People were clamoring for Quinn when Anderson was in the top 5 in TDS back in 2007 Only Tom Brady and Manning I do believe threw more TDS that year then he did...but he still just wans;t good enough.
I swear you folks would run Brian Sipe out of town for Petes sake....just because he isn't your "1st rd" golden boy
1st rd QBS have the biggest bust factor there is....watch we will run DA out of town here and you folks will get your wish...and with Cleveland Browns classic luck(or curse) Quinn will be another ryan Leaf and Anderson will go on to win a super Bowl with someone else....or will be very successful elsewhere ALA Drew Brees
The Chargers wanted Brees out of there too in favor of Rivers...I think Brees has been a big hit in New Orleans..the guy is appreciated and IMO Brees is a better pure QB then Rivers is....
As i said before, I personally think NEITHER QB is the longterm answer here for a vareity of reasons.
1. DA cna't wait to leave here, the way the fans in this city have treated him, I can't blame him one bit for wanting out of here.
2. Brady Quinn...he scares me...I hope he is good..but history is not on his side....why has he been on the bench for 2 years if he is bettert than anderson? why was Mangini trying to shop him if he was such a good QB? teams don't shop good QB unless the confidence just isn't there...take it for what you will.
I don't think Mangini wants either QB, I think Quinn will be traded as well as Anderson at some point, and I think Mangini brings in another QB of his own at some point before the 2010 season.....I think he is stuck with one of these guys this year...but he will get someone else next year....he just wans't high on Sanchez in the draft, but there are some decent QB coming out next year, and I expect Mangini to look there at some point......
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For your sake I hope you are correct, or there's gonna be a lot of posters dogging you .
1. I hope I'm right for ALL OUR SAKES ... cause that means we have a VERY VERY GOOD QB for the next decade .. and I believe thats what WE ALL WANT ...
I would be THRILLED if it turned out to be DA .. that would THRILL me to death and I would LOVE THE CROW ..
problem is its just not gonna be DA .. seen more than enough to know that ..
2. I get dogged everyday on here so I could care less if I get dogged about that if my boy does not live up to my expectations .. I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THAT ..
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Good for U .. bide your time ..
as for me ... i am all ready happy with who Jeannie picked ... U can catch up in a few months .. it'll all be good then .. *L* ..
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Personally..if Quinn played that bad because he had a broken thumb on his hand.
Dammit .. they went and put the pins in the wrong finger ... them sons a biatches .. how could they mess that up ...
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People who prefer DA probably prefer a Brett Favre over a Peyton Manning. I don't.
actually a more accurate comparision would be to say that those that prefer DA would probably prefer a Kyle Boller over a Payton Manning ..
Brett Favre is one of the most ACCURATE QB'S in the history of the game .. DA is one of the least accurate QB's in the history of the game ...
DA and Favre are comparable only in arm strength and decision making ... Favre DESTROYS him in ACCURACY and MOBILITY ... and as u so astutely state .. ACCURACY IS VERY IMPORTANT ..
I get what u were saying .. but that was a POOR ASS COMPARISION ...
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Agreed, but saying Quinn is like Peyton is almost as insane. You know exactly what I was trying to say. People who prefer DA like a QB who will make plays, and they can deal with the mistakes. People who prefer BQ like a QB who manages the game and doesn't make mistakes.
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Personally..if Quinn played that bad because he had a broken thumb on his hand.
Dammit .. they went and put the pins in the wrong finger ... them sons a biatches .. how could they mess that up ...
LMFAO... I caught that too and his long ass post is a moot point in my book as he doesn't have his facts together much less the correct game in which it happened in...
Camparison of slinging a sledgehammer verses having a bum finger (which is important when you cast the spin upon ball release) as an NFL QB is HILARIOUS! Maybe there is a special technique to sledging that I am unaware of that would make his argument hold water???
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What you have here is a case of not being capable of admiting that Quinn is a bust.
The biggest problem I have with that statement is... this is no longer the Savage show. If it was you statement would have some weight.
Mangini has no reason to be affraid to claim that if it is true. He did not trade up into round 1 to get Quinn.
Nothing I've seen from Eric or George so far indicates that they won't pick the best man for the job regardless of fan feelings.
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He would have to be able to pry it away from you first.
*LOL* ... good one ... now that was funny ...
Glad I could inject some humor in your day.
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I would be THRILLED if it turned out to be DA .. that would THRILL me to death and I would LOVE THE CROW ..
I'm not so sure you would be, but if that happened I'm sure you would be the ringleader of the Brady Brady chants with DAs first int.
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actually ANYONE THAT WANTS TO PAY ATTENTION DOES ... U guys would rather bury your head in the sand or up DA's ass than simply PAY ATTENTION ..
All your signs could float either way , I'm not going into the explaination of how , but your head is buried in the sand too. You don't see that as of now with the draft gone and any trade value for DA a wash , there would be no reason not to name BQ the starter today...... unless ....ummmm..... Mangini really means there is a competition.
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Problem is you will be dissappointed if Mangini goes the other way.
Me, I'm happy with a winning team and could care less if at the first game the announcer says,.... and starting at QB for your 2009 Cleveland Browns ... # 17 DiamDawg.
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Roco, Wasn't me that said the quote listed in your reply... As for K.O.B. here is a thought for you... Why don't you just save us the time by repeating after me... "I do not like Quinn and think he will suck as a starter because of ___________ . You trying to make light of the finger injury much less getting ALL of your facts twisted is baseless... Not to mention, how can you REALLY make ANY sort of determination based of off 1 yes 1 healthy game??? Maybe Brady offended you when he was out drinking with his buddies in Columbus last year??
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Personally I think BQ will eventually win the starting job but I think the competition will be much closer than anticipaed by many and here are my reasons.
1. No matter what DA's arm stsrength is impressive.
2. BQ's best attribute (in my mind) is his mind and his preparation (work ethic).
Unfortunately for him you don't spend a week game planning for practice.
3. DA will go for the gusto and BQ will take what is readily available.
This will give DA several if not many spectacular plays in practice or plays that excite even if incomplete giving that viceral sensation of "wow" where as BQ will seem to have a lot of dump off passes.
In the end I think the way that BQ seems to control the huddle (as best as I can tell) will be what wins out. To me it just seems like DA gets controlled in the huddle. Just my observation no basis of fact.
I don't really care who wins the job as long as it is the right one. With good Qb play I think we can make a run for the playoffs. With a Qb fiasco I think we challenge for the #1 overall pick.
Am I perfect? No
Am I trying to be a better person?
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Quinn won't win the job until preseason. Only then can Mangini actually witness his field presence and see if he holds the qualities to run an offense.
I think he does. He may not be a HOF player as soon as he steps on the field.. But I think we have a solid starting QB that can win us some games for a good number of seasons.
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Roco, Wasn't me that said the quote listed in your reply...
As for K.O.B. here is a thought for you... Why don't you just save us the time by repeating after me... "I do not like Quinn and think he will suck as a starter because of ___________ . You trying to make light of the finger injury much less getting ALL of your facts twisted is baseless... Not to mention, how can you REALLY make ANY sort of determination based of off 1 yes 1 healthy game??? Maybe Brady offended you when he was out drinking with his buddies in Columbus last year??
I don't have any hatred towards Brady Quinn at all. I just have seen enough of him at Notre Dame(my best friend is a diehard ND fan) and what I seen from him in the preaseason the last 2 years and in the game he played last year, that I am just not impressed
You have to remember Brady Quinn was a lot of "hype" why did so many teams pass on him? As for the Dolphins, they needed a QB and still passed...you blame Cam Cameron, but Cameron "IS" a QB guru...look what he done with Rivers, Brees, etc....Cameron knows QB and he had that other Qb rated higher than Quinn
As a matter of fact, Quinn was a terrible reach by Savage....Hew was not worth the spot we moved up to get him.
If Quinn would have been taken by us in the second, then I would have been fine with it, but you look at Joe Flacco in Baltimore...that guy has twice the arm Quinn has and Flacco is a much better prospect(and i hate the Ravens and can't belive i just said that, but its true)
As for the thumb, its not that big of a deal honestly. Big Ben Farvem Randal Cunningham, Warren Moon, Steve Young, and others seemed to have no problem throwing a football with a Broken thumb....
of course I am not going to change your mind, but folks would be singing a different tune if it was DA that had the messed up thumb.
I have no ill feelings towards Quinn, if he is named our start I will say it:
IF QUINN IS OUR STARTER I WISH HIM NOTHING BUT THE BEST I HOPE HE SUCCEEDS HERE MORE THAN ANYTHING BECAUSE IM TIRED OF LOSING
see, its documented, I don't hate Quinn
The fact is Da was never given a fair chance here.....he had a year and a half worth of football prior to last year...and 2007 was his 1st year as the full time starter
its take QB 3 years to actually really be able to prove anything....so technically this would be DA thrird year on the job and should have been the year he would be judged.....
I expect Quinn to struggle this year, and he will struggle...its unrealistic to think he will be Peyton Manning from the get go...that is not likely going to happen....but I know Browns fans are not pateient...
If DA can throw 29 TDS and make a Pro Bowl and be thrown under the bus the following year...what do you think Quinn's chances are if he don't light the world on fire right away? ....his chances will be bleak i will say
I am just saying we have had no patience at all
DA gives us the best chance to win "now" because
1. He has about 22 starts under his belt.
2. He has expereince in real games and is young and is growing
3. He has played at an elite level
You remember DA struggled when he replaced Frye for a few games in 2006
I am just saying you people are putting unrealistic expectations on Quinn
even if we do go with Quinn...i am willing to give Quinn 3 full seasons as a starter beofre I call for his head
are you?
most won't with DA being prior evidence of that...
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Knight...you're the same guy who wanted the CEO of a company to run a football team with no prior football knowledge. I've explained time and time again how different football is from a business but you refuse to listen. Oh well, not my problem.
That says all you need to know right there.
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He also claimed he was done with the Browns and the NFL in general.
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I hear that a lot.
True fans. That's all we need. The others will come crawling back when we win, just like other teams we know.
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I don't have any hatred towards Brady Quinn at all. I just have seen enough of him at Notre Dame(my best friend is a diehard ND fan) and what I seen from him in the preaseason the last 2 years and in the game he played last year, that I am just not impressed
Well, Ken Dorsey had a great college career, should we have kept him ?
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And this move worked out well for Cameron, right ?
I remember him walking the Miami sidelines last year , don't you ?
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And if Brady ever breaks his thumb we will find out if he can too.
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Especially when you can't even get your information right after someone tells you it isn't correct.
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1. He has about 22 starts under his belt.
2. He has expereince in real games and is young and is growing
3. He has played at an elite level
Define real game to me, define elite level.
Dude it was his finger not his thumb. 
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Knight...you're the same guy who wanted the CEO of a company to run a football team with no prior football knowledge. I've explained time and time again how different football is from a business but you refuse to listen. Oh well, not my problem.
That says all you need to know right there.
That has nothing to do with his post, though. I don't care about his GM thoughts.
I think BQ should be named the starter myself, but facts are:
DA has done some things in this league. Some great, some terrible. But he CAN be terrific at times.
Brady hasn't done nearly as much.
Mangini is giving both a shot, which Quinn will probably prevail in.. cuz he's more fit to run the offense we're allegedly going to run. & plus we have to see what he has IMO. But he's done next-to-nothing in the NFL, we can't deny that.
at this point I can't completely rule out DA, we never know what the QB situation is gonna be with the Browns.
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I expect Quinn to struggle this year, and he will struggle...its unrealistic to think he will be Peyton Manning from the get go...that is not likely going to happen....
I think you were off on quite a few things, but you hit the nail on the head with this one. The question is, do you really have the patience to wait a couple of years as Quinn matures, or are you going to be throwing him under the bus after a couple of games and calling for DA??
Actually, it would be interesting to pull up some stats on QB's that sat for a year or two and see how they faired in their first season starting. Its probably not a very long list of QB's- seems like they get thrown right in, sink or swim. Off the top of my head McNair, Culpepper, Rodgers, Hasselbeck fit that scenario- must be a few more??? I don't have enough time to do this now, maybe somebody else has time to burn.
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prefer Quinn over DA. People who prefer DA probably prefer a Brett Favre over a Peyton Manning. I don't. Uh..if DA resembled Far-ve..I'd take that right now. 
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I see it like this: I don't think Romeo has lost the team yet, but I do think DA has lost the offense...when he set Winslow up to be killed by Ray Lewis, I think that point is clear. Braylon it is quite clear has no confidence in DA just watch the body language.
Our D is demoralized because they know the O will do nothing.
I personally think starting Brady Quinn "now" is the right answer for various reasons:
1. Brady Quinn is cocky, confident and arrogant just like Kellen winslow...he bring fire to the huddle.
2. Brady won't hang guys out to dry
3. The O will probably play much harder for Brady because they have lost confidence in DA
4. Since the O probably will have more success, this should jump start our Defense to play much better, especially if a Quinn led O begins scoring points(and they will) our D will no longer be demoralized and will begin to play much harder
we have no choice but to go with Quinn...Da has lost the team, I know none of the players will say it in public, but I can tell by their body language that the team in general is very upset with Da and have no faith in him
Da is a lame duck, its time to show him the Bench and get quinn out there
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I personally hope Quinn plays well. I have never been shy in advocating I would rather see Quinn as the starter..I feel he gives us the best chance to win "moving forward down the road"
Anderson may be "slightly better" right now...but he doesn't have Quinn's potential....
I want to see Anderson do well, i really do...but what the kid has in talent with that arm is negated by his decision making....when Anderson is on he is on, but when he is bad, he is downright awful..look at the Cincy game last year
I'll Never forgive DA for that game...DA had no pressure from the Bengals D on him, our Ol gave him plenty of time...all those INTS were DA's fault..thats all on him
that proved to me the kid can't handle pressure...he folded...plain and simple...the kid cracked...he's not primetime material....Bernie Kosar, Brian Sipe, they win that game....I don't think Brady Quinn loses that game either
Look at ND since Quinn left...their god awful
What Quinn gives you over Da is this.
1: Quinn "will not" single handily lose a game for you. Quinn don't make dumb throws, the kid doesn't try to force things that simply aren't there.
2. Quinn is a truse student of the game, the kid is smart, reads his progressions quickly and takes what the D gives him. Quinn was known in college for not throwing alot of interceptions
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Anderson has alot of talent too, don't get me wrong. but Andersons main shortcomings are
1. He takes too many risks and force the ball...he throws balls that shouldn't be thrown and this caught up with him in the Cincy game last year..you can't do that in this league. Remember when he got picked off in the Endzone Against N.E in the 1st quarter? Jason Wright was wide open in the flat and instead Anderson forces the ball to BE who was triple covered and got picked off...that is the type of stuff im talking about...Quinn would not have made that throw because he is "smart enough" to know not to do that.
2. Anderson has no tough on his short passing game, Andersons short passing game is awful...the Steelers exposed him...Anderson struggles when teams play a 2 deep cover 2 zone and force him to throw underneath...he struggled hard against the Steelers in the 2nd half of that game because he couldn't thorw the short underneath stuff to move the chains to save his life.
Anderson will struggle this year...i just hope Romeo has the sense that if Anderson falters big time in the 1st game, the 2nd game at the latest to yank the kid and put in Quinn so we can win some football games...we had an easy schedule last year
Anderson has not shown me he has improved on that short passing game at all...he is still struggling with it..the 6-11 yard passing game in the NFL is the bread and butter..if you cna't complete 65% of those passes..your not worthy to be a QB..those are the passes you have to be able to get consistently..look at Brady, Manning, that is their bread and butter...Anderson has yet to prove to anyone he can do this...
Quinn proved it last year in his drive against San Fran in the reg season, and has proved it in the preseason
Quinn may not have "as strong" of an arm as DA..most QB'S don't have DA's arm..but Quinn's is strong enough to get the job done....
just remember i said this...DA will struggle this year....just a matter of when not if...his short passing game and bad decison making and forcing the ball into triple coverages will be his undoing...he got lucky alot of times last year....DA hasn't won a game against a team with a willing record...remember that...
Shall I continue.....
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ouch!
LOL. Thanks Jules, that was priceless!
I think that was what my old pappy meant when he told me ; "Every check you write comes back to the bank"
"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein" ~Joe Theismann~
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I knew there was a lot about you that makes me smile.. In this case Whew...
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Actually, it would be interesting to pull up some stats on QB's that sat for a year or two and see how they faired in their first season starting. Its probably not a very long list of QB's- seems like they get thrown right in, sink or swim. Off the top of my head McNair, Culpepper, Rodgers, Hasselbeck fit that scenario- must be a few more??? I don't have enough time to do this now, maybe somebody else has time to burn.
Hmm, off the top of my head....
Derek Anderson:
2006, played 5 games, started 3. Went 0-3.
2007, played in 16 games, started 15, went to the Pro Bowl.
2008, sucked.
Maybe we should be more concerned with how Brady would do in 2010 than in 2009.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Derek was successful in 2007 due to the talent around him and the fact that nobody had any significant film on him. Later in the season, he struggled as teams knew what he could and couldn't do. Take away the long game, and he struggles. Not exactly rocket surgery. The weapons vanished last year too, somehow (KW injurred, BE never recovered from injury, no JoeJ, JLew one year older, etc.).
I think Brady will quickly show his potential. I think he is the clear-cut starter at this point. DA has reached his potential, I think. He is a known quantity.
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I just want to clarify one thing. Yes, DA did suck last year, but not all the blame goes on him. Our line sucked, Braylon sucked, and our receivers in general sucked. Basically, everyone sucked last year. DA deserves his share of the blame (1/10th, JT was still awesome) but he did no worst or no better than the majority of our offense (JT being the exception). In order for us to be successful, everyone needs to step it up in 09 (except JT of course).
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DA deserves his share of the blame (1/10th,
1/10th ... *LOL* ... theres not an equal distibution on O bro .. its not 11 equal parts ...
I am not sure what % of the blame DA should get .. but 1/10th is certainly not even CLOSE TO HITTING THE MARK ...
I agree with what u said .. the entire O was DYSFUNCTIONAL ... no doubt .. and there was plenty of blame to go around .. but it is not an EQUAL DISTRIBUTION between 11 guys ...
sometimes I forget just how young U are .. then U make a post like this (and the one comparing DA to BQ and saying it was even .... 3 - 3 - 1 ... by pointing that out U basically assigned equal weight to Accuracy and Brains and Arm Strength ... ) ... and your youth smacks me in the face ... 
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Obviously the QB is the most important position on the field, so yes, he does deserve more blame than anyone else (I should've made that clear, my communication was awful there) but my premise was that he was only a piece of the terrible puzzle.
And in my other post you mentioned, I clearly stated that accuracy and smarts and such was much more important than arm strength, and said that IMO Quinn won. So you clearly misunderstood me.
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I just want to clarify one thing. Yes, DA did suck last year, but not all the blame goes on him.
And I mentioned this in my post by way of the weapons he lost from the previous year.
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And in my other post you mentioned, I clearly stated that accuracy and smarts and such was much more important than arm strength, and said that IMO Quinn won. So you clearly misunderstood me.
No .. I understood U ... u just did NOT EMPASIZE it enough .. the tone of the entire post was almost apologetic .... thats how i percieved it anyhow ...
I am alot harder to please than your editor ...
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