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So what you're saying is that his "helping out" was a campaign stop? 
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Please don't condescend to me to call me "my dear". That title only belongs to my husband. If you had read my WHOLE post, you'd have seen that I said that of course the locals have to do the work themselves. Because I know full well that the politicians aren't down there swinging hammers, they are merely signing bills to give money. But you were the one that said Quote:
Go get Sen. Landrieu, Sen. Obama, Congressman Jefferson and Jimmy Carter and grab your hammers and fix it !
I was merely addressing that. The policiticians aren't going to do the physical labor. (thought there may be an occasional exception, as Pit noted). And as DC noted and was what I was trying to say (but obviously did not do so), is that politicians are there to give the money not to do the physical work.
That is why it is up to the locals to do the work. And if you wish to complain about poliiticians not swing a hammer, when it is not, and shold not be the focus of their job, why don't YOU go out and give some of that assistance you're saying is needed.
I have. My company has. I only wish I'd have had more time there to do more.
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To some extent,yes,I believe it was.
I think it served a dual purpose. It brought the press directly into the 9th Ward to see and show the devistation from the perspective of a "neighborhood". Which I feel was a message that brought it a little closer to home for many. I know it did me.
And also for political gain and posturing. But yes,IMO John Edwards is a politician. Wouldn'y you say so?
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Of course he is... I just thought that I would point out that he has been unemployed for a while... 
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"...If you have not, you have no room to complain about the lack of action by politicians. You're sitting back on your hands just as they are."
So I am not allowed to complain about the whining politicians! These are the same politicians who were on site and failed to direct the action before,during and after the calamity. They now have the right to blame the President and his admin. who were some 1400 miles away from the scene when the storm hit. The Mayor,Senator,Congressmen and governor should all have been helping rebuild if anyone should...at least just for the camera...for a week or two.
"Please don't condescend to me to call me "my dear". That title only belongs to my husband."
I don't care if "that title, my dear" belongs to your husband I refuse to call another man dear under any circumstances, Babe!!!! Your name is Brown'sBabe on this board...may I continue to call you Babe or is that reserved for someone else in your family.
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I don't care if "that title, my dear" belongs to your husband I refuse to call another man dear under any circumstances, Babe!!!! Your name is Brown'sBabe on this board...may I continue to call you Babe or is that reserved for someone else in your family.
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The levees were built by the federal government of which the dems had no control over for years before Katrina.
So who should have addressed the problem of the levees again? Yes,they should have been addressed years ago. It's been an ongoing disaster waiting to happen. But some of the people "you claim" should have taken action,weren't even elected into office then. So what is it they should have been doing again?
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You know, sometimes I wonder if you all ever get the news in other parts of the country by the way you all talk on this board!. That might seem arrogant, and I'm sorry but that hearing was on the news last night, where most of the officials were stating that they would do the work if the FEDERAL GOVT WOULD GIVE UP THE MONEY FOR the recovery!!!. It was after that, Obama, and Lieberman made statements about how the White House has been dragging their feet, made no mention of the recovery..etc!
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I detect a certain lack of humor and an almost unnatural comraderie between several ladies[I hope I am still permitted to use such a sexist term] on this board.
I do agree with you jules that I have some serious issues in my life as does most everyone I imagine. Thankfully none manifest themselves on this board,dear!
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Good Lord! YOU complained about the politicians not being down there physically doing anything. I merely asked if YOU'D done anything besides send money, much like the politicians that YOU are complaining about. Hell, YOU live down that way...and you say you're retired. How hard would it have been for you to head to MS or LA for just a couple days to lend a hand? It's a bit of a double standard to say that the politicians aren't doing something to help, when you aren't either (or at least you've yet to state that you have). Frankly, politicians have more than just one area of the country to worry about. And as difficult as Katrina is, the politicians did just as they are supposed to...they sent money to the region. It has always been incumbant upon the locals to make the necessary repairs. Just look after any other natural disaster in this country. Has the White House/Congress ever done anything more? Have they ever spent days in a region cleaning up debris after an earthquake, a flood or any other hurricane?
And I am not addressing your silly comment about "my dear" and "Babe" etc.
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Seems to me that Billary was in the White House from '93 to 2001. Katrina occurred in 2005....what did he propose to Congress??
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I detect a certain lack of humor and an almost unnatural comraderie between several ladies[I hope I am still permitted to use such a sexist term] on this board.
First, ladies is NOT a sexist term. Calling someone "dear" without their permission is disrespectful, that was my problem when you called me that. I will say that it isn't only my hubby that calls me dear. After thinking about it, I realized some of my close friends do as well. But they have my permission. You do not, nor have you ever asked for it. Second, the ladies here do NOT lack humor. That thought, in itself, is fairly laughable to at least myself, if not all of us. Third, of course we have a comaraderie. Is it unnatural? Hell no. We're all women with a common interest, the Browns (or at least football).
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We lack humor if we don't find Ralphie to be oh so very funny instead of incredibly boring and condescending. 
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So you seem to think I have no right to complain about local politicians from La. griping that the Federal gov't has done little more than send $60 billion of our tax dollars to the region. I can't complain since I didn't go to La. and do the job myself??????????????????
My point has been that the local politicians should be recruiting local or regional builders to rebuild their own area. Nothing else!!!!
You have been the outraged party blaming me and others for ...."If you have not, you have no room to complain about the lack of action by politicians. You're sitting back on your hands just as they are."
BTW My use of the term "dear" was never meant to be disrespectful. As a old fashioned 57 year old Irish Catholic grandpa the term was one of familiarity and good intent. I have offended you and will not make the mistake again.
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Third, of course we have a comaraderie. Is it unnatural? Hell no. We're all women with a common interest, the Browns (or at least football).
Now this Ralph is a truism.. i was just wondering...do you EVER comment about football? You seem to have some kinda sociopolitical agenda on this board...all your posts lean that way . Just one "lady's" observation.
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What exactly do you expect politicians to do? They gave the $$ that they felt they could.
And they are getting local builders to rebuild. I witnessed it firsthand.
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Seems to me that Billary was in the White House from '93 to 2001. Katrina occurred in 2005....what did he propose to Congress??
Sorry I didn't make myself clearer. When I stated,"it hadn't been addressed in years",I meant well before Bush as well. But there was a major study brought forth "while Bush was in office" stating the grave danger and disrepair of those levees BEFORE Katrina.
If Clinton saw a similar study and knew of this situation while he was in office (which I have no idea either way) he's just as guilty. If not,I would say maybe he wasn't. But as I said,I can't say if a similar study was done while he was in office or not.
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What exactly do you expect politicians to do? They gave the $$ that they felt they could.
And they are getting local builders to rebuild. I witnessed it firsthand.
If that is the case, why are SOME politicians claiming the white house is to blame for the slow progress? Bush is to blame?
These same politicians that are complaining about the white house being slow, aren't they some of the same that complained about the white house not evacuating the people from the path of the hurricane? Where is Nagin in all of this? His head should be the first one on the block, Then the governer, (forget her name).
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They are building as they are able to down there, from what I saw. The problem is, a vast number of people have abandoned the city and aren't coming back to clean up their private lots. Until and if they can be taken over by eminent domain, the city will look in shambles still.
There's also not enough people there to do as much work as needs to be done. Also, the Insurance companies have denied a good number of home owners claims because they didn't have flood insurance and their homes weren't destroyed by Katrina, rather by the flooding from levy breaking.
It's a big circle of crap, bascially.
I do think we (as in the goverment) was way too slow in reacting, but there isn't too much more they can do now. Do we just throw more money at it at the risk of ticking off the taxpayer that will end up having to pay more to support that effort? I don't know what the answer is, but I still think that we, as citizens need to be the ones doing the rebuilding here.
The government has to take care of the levies, for sure, and that should have been done AGES ago.
This has nothing to do with Dems vs. Rep, IMO. I couldn't care less who was in office in this situation. The way it was handled wasn't right from the begining.
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Autumn I do in fact comment on the Browns' performance,needs and potential direction. I choose to do it in the "Pure Football", "Gameday" or "Draft" forum. Where do you discuss the Brown's football activities????
And I do have "some sort of sociopolitical" agenda. Agendas unrelated to football is the purpose of the "Tailgate Lot"! I assume you knew that though.
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"And they are getting local builders to rebuild. I witnessed it firsthand."
So then your problem is with Osama and the other national politicians who are complaining that things are moving too slowly.
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No, my problem is people complaining about the politicians doing nothing and not offering their own help, or hell, even there own suggestions for what the politicians should be doing.
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Well, Babe, I sent workers down there to help and paid them out of my own pocket and paid their way and supplied the equipment....does that give me more of a right to an opinion than others? I don't think so. Having said that, I expect the LOCAL POLITICIANS to actually go through the process that is required to get the money that is in place to curtail fraud (that has been ongoing). Instead, the mayor, governer, and every other politician that wants a soundbyte for their upcoming election would rather sit around and whine and point fingers instead of doing what is necessary to get the funds to rebuild. I have no idea why anyone wouldn't want them to do the same.
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I don't think it gives you more of a right, but I do think it gives your opinion some weight. If someone's not been there and witnessed it firsthand, how can they say what's happening there? You can't believe the crap you see on tv. Every media outlet puts whatever spin suits them on it. But you can believe what you see for yourself. (or in your case, what your employees reported back to you)
the local politicians do need to step up and do right, but it is really hard to do the right thing when most of the city is abandoned. They can't even get it cleaned up because of that. Their hands are tied when the debris is on someone's property and they aren't there to do it.
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I want to know what Obama has done about all of this other than to complain about what someone else is doing.
Isn't he a part of the new Democratic Congress that just had their banner "100 First Hours"?
If this spending is so important to them, why didn't they just pass it through without the President?
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He's not done anything as far as I know Purp. But honestly, I don't keep THAT close of a tab on it. Maybe he's contributed a ton of his own cash because he felt Congress wasn't doing enough. I have no idea.
Frankly, it doesn't much matter, whatever it is, it's not enough
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The problem is, no matter what is done, it "won't be enough", short of the fed. gov't. going in, cleaning everything up, re building everything, insuring everyones property, and paying them to come back.
That's the bottom line - it will never be enough.
What about other areas that Katrina hit? Why don't we hear about them? Oh, cause they're just taking care of it themselves, that's why. No scapegoating on anyone's part, other than New Orleans.
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What about other areas that Katrina hit? Why don't we hear about them? Oh, cause they're just taking care of it themselves, that's why. No scapegoating on anyone's part, other than New Orleans.
Because, even though those other areas were hit much worse than New Orleans, New Orleans is the great sob story. Entire towns in Mississippi were completely levelled. I mean flattened and completely ceased to exist, but they aren't the hot button item and you never hear about them because they didn't have the drama of a flooding New Orleans nor do they have the Federal Gov't scapegoat in the form of failed levees. In short, New Orleans is what we hear about because of the drama factor which makes for great TV, but even moreso because it is prime political fodder... and that is all.
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Also, it essentially wiped out a vast majority of a fairly large city (lots of voters displaced)
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You're dead on. Plus, new orleans has the "woe is me" factor going on, too.
That's why I say no matter what is done for n.o., it won't be enough, and it won't be quick enough, and it won't be good enough.
According to certain politicians, that is.
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What else would a Democratic running for the presidency say? The same idiot who can't fill out paperwork (sign his name & fax back) and use his city's buses to evacuate New Orleans is still in charge.
This doesn't absolve the incompetant and unqualified political crony, who was hired to run FEMA by President Bush. At least he resigned, Mayor Nagin ran and won another term. There were plenty of major and minor screwups. What has Congress done to fix the problem? When paperwork is decreased, fraudulent payments increased.
Has anyone heard if the levees that broke or were found to be substandard were fixed yet? If the levees haven't been fixed, then wasting tax payer dollars to build on land below sea level should be a very hard sell and go very slowly, if at all.
Thousands of previous residents of New Orleans, no longer live there. There is also the matter of price gouging. Major companies and the rich can afford paying top dollar for building materials and the rest may find it easier and cheaper to move somewhere else and not go through this type of disaster again.
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The problem, as I understand it from things I heard on the news yesterday, isn't that the politicians aren't doing enough of the actual clean up and rebuilding, but that they haven't followed the proper procedures to get the funds that the federal government has set aside for the projects. The money is sitting there waiting. The local and state governments haven't done their job to get the money and there has been many reports of fraud with money that has been released already. This is more than just not being able to deal with this themselves, but a refusal (apparently) of doing what's necessary to get more aid.
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I am wondering what percentage of the buildings destroyed by the wind and water damage in N. O. were privately owned homes as opposed to either absentee ownership rentals and corporate apartment dwelling as high rise units?
It woudd be interesting to see if there is any coorelation to rebilding in N.O. of privately owned single family homes as compared to the corporate owned or absentee owned.
Generally people who own their own place take more steps to protect and preserve/rebuild as opposed to corp. ownership which prefers to wait for insurance money and move on somewhere else.
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Okay, here's a thought... why actually REBUILD New Orleans? I mean the city itself is a bowl of delicious applejacks waiting to be filled with milk (fom he sea). It was stupid to have it there in the first place and why do it again?
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Duh- Bush Jr. is, has been and always will be one of the biggest embarrassments in US presidential history. Period. “Them internets†is a global mortification… The humiliation here at home and world wide, of this fine country has been shameful to say the least… Many of us here, several years ago, from the beginning, told you so. G-dumb-aya has always been a lame duck… The sooner this guys disappears the better for all… Got fork?   
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And who was it that couldn't beat him in 2 election cycles??? HHmmmm
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Dumbaya actually didn't win the first time... Remember??? What does that have to do with Theminternets being a total joke? I notice you didn't refute any of the what an outright loser statements... Wonder why...  Answer...? His record speaks for itself... What is G-Dumbs rating now and overall... One of the lowest EVER...
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Like Ralphie said, that speaks volumes about the dems.....I mean, If they couldn't beat a dumbass like Bush....well.... Oh, by the way, he did win the first election, just as he won the second one. If you choose to still not believe it, well, son, you have some issues. 
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If Bush didn't win the first election, but won the second election....doesn't that mean he can run for another term??
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Okay, here's a thought... why actually REBUILD New Orleans? I mean the city itself is a bowl of delicious applejacks waiting to be filled with milk (fom he sea). It was stupid to have it there in the first place and why do it again?
Someone else has some common sense, I am shocked. Back when the Mississippi flooded in the 90s people said you should'nt rebuild in the flood plains of the Mississippi and many intelligent people listened.
Mr. Hussain Obama (yes his middle name) wants to rebuild Atlantis also I'll bet!
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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