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Wow, they'd be giving away their team for one player.. that also means that they feel pretty secure about keeping TurkeyGoo.
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That would be great for the Cavs...by the way can we get Pietrus from the Nets??
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with shaq aboard, our bench gets better, because z is now coming off.
which means most of the time in a game, you'll have a big man who can score on the floor. z can shoot, and shaq is still unstoppable around the rim.
if they add another piece, that could bump another guy to the bench and all of a sudden you are insanely deep.
i just wonder what we do with our bigs now. do we get joe smith back? who may be better with shaq around, now that he's not expected to carry as much of the load?
danny ferry's next key move is this mle, and what he can do with and who gives the cavs a discount.
i'd like to have andy, but i don't think we need him, not with shaq here. if andy wants to take a reasonable deal i do it, but i don't think he is a cornerstone player. he's got his place here, but when push came to shove he's not the player that can help get you through a tough playoff game.
from charlie villanueva's twitter...
"CV31well, twitterland like I said there will be more trades to come, very interesting, Shaq to Cleveland, nice, all Cleveland need is a PF now"
that's exactly what i said, with shaq here, all of a sudden cleveland is a place players are gonna want to go to...
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Don't expect Z to be a productive player off the Bench tho....he is a rythm shooter and that rythm doesn't get started sitting on the bench. So I see a lot of situations with both Shaq and Z on the floor at the same time...at least in the regular season...
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I don't know anything about NBA contracts or trades, but is Z tradeable?
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I don't know anything about NBA contracts or trades, but is Z tradeable?
As an expiring definitely...might even be worth a little more for a center starved team. We'd probably be taking a fairly large/bad contract back though.
I think there is a mutual interest from the front office/Z for him staying around. Possibly we could trade him, and then he could get bought out and returned. Of course, the NBA frowns upon those type of trades, and so you have to be very careful to prevent the "collusion" tag from being thrown about, at which point you start getting fined draft picks and the like. Also, that would require us to save our MLE to resign Z.
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a stopper in the middle. Outside of that, we don't really need anything else,
I wouldn't mind having a #4 player that could step outside a little.. right now our best options for that are Z and Joe Smith... though Andy has developed a decent midrange jump shot.
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Welcome to Cleveland, Shaq! Don't break our hoop!  Glad to get a big man that can hold his own. I think the biggest piece of the puzzle is solved, even if this is a one year thing. Like my sig says- WIN NOW. I'm not worried about the next year.
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Although excited by the trade, I really need to see a conscious effort by the big man to take his weight to about 300 lbs. and a strict workout commitment before I go too overboard.
Having said that I do NOT think LBJ will be afraid to tell Shaq himself just that!
Now bring in Sheed Wallace and we have a big team with some attitude!!
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Although excited by the trade, I really need to see a conscious effort by the big man to take his weight to about 300 lbs. and a strict workout commitment before I go too overboard.
Having said that I do NOT think LBJ will be afraid to tell Shaq himself just that!
Now bring in Sheed Wallace and we have a big team with some attitude!!
if there is one thing we have learned about shaq over the years, is that he does tend to gain a little bit of weight and get out of shape...
however, when he is motivated, when he has a chip on his shoulder, he comes to play in perfect shape, his mindset is there.
you saw it with his last year in los angeles to his start in miami. he came to the heat determined, he came into town in the best shape of his life and got that team a championship a year later.
i expect more of the same, shaq's twittering and some of his comments really tell me that he isn't done, that he has that chip back on his shoulder, he wants to abuse dwight howard, wipe the smile right off his face, and he wants to go toe to toe with kobe.
and if the kobe-fans who can be oh-so-annoying spew out garbage about how the king can't win without shaq, i have no problem with that
because we'll all be at the parade partying...
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i hope you're joking, if not, i have no idea how you can say that...yeah lets get down to Z's weight...that worked well for him, trust me at 365, Shaq is just fine, that weight doesnt hinder him at all and he's not what you call out of shape...shawn kemp he's not
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i hope you're joking, if not, i have no idea how you can say that...yeah lets get down to Z's weight...that worked well for him, trust me at 365, Shaq is just fine, that weight doesnt hinder him at all and he's not what you call out of shape...shawn kemp he's not
shaq's been out of shape before, but never to shawn kemp's level.
trust me, i think shaq shows up game 1 in unbelievable shape.
he knows he's on the big stage now.
wow, i wonder how many national tv games we get, i think we were at 24 last year. i wonder if they bump that up even more? lebron and shaq? come on.
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the fact that shaq has been working out in the offseason with an MMA trainer tells me his conditioning won't be a problem
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i hope you're joking, if not, i have no idea how you can say that...yeah lets get down to Z's weight...that worked well for him, trust me at 365, Shaq is just fine, that weight doesnt hinder him at all and he's not what you call out of shape...shawn kemp he's not
No I'm not joking...his last listed weight I saw was 325 but if he's 365 then I hope he's 340 to 350 come training camp. If they want quality minutes and his joints staying healthy any weight loss would help.
25 lbs. won't turn him into a doormat by any means and if in better physical shape should lessen injury possibilities.
I don't know about you, but I wan't this team to get their 20 mil out of the big guy!
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Thanks for that update! That is surely what we'd like to hear! 
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Thanks for that update! That is surely what we'd like to hear!
He's doing it because he wants to fight the 7'2 guy who just beat Jose Canseco. No joke.
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Alston and Lee?? Sounds like a bit of a knee-jerk reaction. They've got some great stat machines in Carter and Howard as well as decent sidekicks in Turg, Nelson and Lewis ... with Pietrus off the bench.
Actually ... ouch, that's a brutal top-6 ... but then what?
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i think it's kind of unnecassary. it's a little bit of an upgrade over turkoglu...
but if they couldn't keep turk, this move looks even better, because they got a replacement now instead of using the draft which won't work, or waiting.
it's a smart move but i don't think it makes them a ton better. they have a few finishers on that team, i just don't think they are very good on a defense and that got exploited against the lakers.
vince carter won't make them any better on defense.
the nba is killing it right now. they are upstaging everything else in sports. i'm flat out amazed.
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here's the other thing about the magic.
their starting 5 will be nelson, vc, pietrus, lewis, and howard.
it's a solid starting 5, don't get me wrong, but what about the bench?
pietrus was a solid bench guy, his role is now completely changed, and i don't think he will have quite the impact he had being the 6th man.
and with alston gone, you have no backup pg, we all know how much your pg play is needed including your bench pg...
and what if gortat walks, isn't he a free agent.
the magic could gain vince carter and become a worse team. i still think the move was needed because they had to replace turkoglu who was really their top option in crunch time...
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Losing Hedo and getting Carter is a wash in my eyes. Like you said Hedo was their best closer.
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that's only if they can't resign Turk. If they can and do...then the VC trade makes them a better team.
also, they still have Anthony Johnson coming off the bench....Alston has needed starter minutes in his career to have good games (see Laker series for latest example), so he might not be the biggest loss.
if they resign Turk, then I think they just got better....if they don't, then I agree that they are a little worse off than last year.
either way....the NBA is back to the 80's....the elite and the garbage. glad we are in the elite.
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Losing Hedo and getting Carter is a wash in my eyes. Like you said Hedo was their best closer.
yeah, a good 2 guard for another good 2 guard. carter will probably be known as the better player when both careers are over, but carter has seen more injuries, and turkoglu is 2 years younger...
orlando's problem is that they aren't a very good defensive team. the cavs didn't match up, they had problems with dwight howard, they won with offense.
when they faced the lakers, they were outmatched themselves, rashard lewis isn't exactly the man you want guarding gasol, the lakers had guys who could get phsyical with howard. and the lakers took every advantage.
the cavs still have their flaws, i think they are still very vulnerable to the pick and roll, they still lack size on the perimeter, but with that said, a 66 win team just got better.
i think they are a move away from doing this. whether that move comes tonight, at some point over this summer, or before next february, who knows.
the good news is this move doesn't need to be anywhere as blockbuster as the shaq deal.
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I was just talking to my work buddy about this. He thinks that with the loss of three for one, they'll have the cap room to resign Hedo. I'm not sure if that's the case. If they resign Hedo ... ouch. If they don't, they'll have an aging Carter replacing Hedo, and no bench support.
The NBA is so top heavy now. So many teams are clearing out cap space to make room for the 2010 FA, that you have a ton of teams with nothing, and a couple teams that are totally stacked.
I think we need to keep an eye on Toronto. What do you think they do with Bosh. They KNOW he's extremely disgruntled up there, and has been talking about leaving. Unless they are positive they can resign him ... it would be in their best interest to unload him now. There's no way they are winning a Championship with their current roster ... and if he walks in 2010, they get nothing in return. Problem is, I don't know that we have much to offer them.
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I was just talking to my work buddy about this. He thinks that with the loss of three for one, they'll have the cap room to resign Hedo. I'm not sure if that's the case. If they resign Hedo ... ouch. If they don't, they'll have an aging Carter replacing Hedo, and no bench support.
The NBA is so top heavy now. So many teams are clearing out cap space to make room for the 2010 FA, that you have a ton of teams with nothing, and a couple teams that are totally stacked.
I think we need to keep an eye on Toronto. What do you think they do with Bosh. They KNOW he's extremely disgruntled up there, and has been talking about leaving. Unless they are positive they can resign him ... it would be in their best interest to unload him now. There's no way they are winning a Championship with their current roster ... and if he walks in 2010, they get nothing in return. Problem is, I don't know that we have much to offer them.
i think all we could do is offer them z with maybe a hickson or boobie or both, and draft picks...
and that is a move they don't make now... more desperation would be needed...
could you imagine a frontline of lebron, bosh, and shaq?
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I agree ... no way it happens until the 11th hour on the trade deadline ... but you have to think there is a HIGH probability he's moving.
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I don't care how bad our bench would be. A starting line up like this would be damn near impossible to beat.
PG- Mo williams
SG- D-west
SF- LBJ
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Rumor is Amare is on the trade block possibly to golden state. I think Toronto keeps Bosh just to sell tickets, and the hope they make the playoffs. If they're out of it by the trading deadline he will be dealt. You also have to take into account bosh coudl make $31 million more in toronto. that's a lot of cash to pass. for anyone.
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and the other thing is, giving up z, some money, a few project players, maybe a draft pick might not be as enticing as what other teams could offer...
i think bosh would have to force the raptors hands and tell them to deal him to cleveland.
i just can't see that. i would love it, but it would take a miracle to get him. we just don't have much else to give them.
and i don't think the organization wants to deal z. i think if something like bosh came up, they would definitely pull that, but i think they want to show loyalty to a guy who has been here through the good and the bad, and i think a move like that would be tough on the team. z is loved on that team. lebron loves z. he has stated several times that he can't wait for the day when he sees z's number lifted to the raftors.
i think you keep z unless some insane can't pass up offer comes.
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I think Z retires as a cav. I think they will work things out, now that shaq is here. Z is a good teammate.
I think the Cavs won't resign Varejo. For the money he will be demanding, plus his weaknesses on offense, I think the cavs go in a different direction. If rasheed signs for the MLE, I think he's the guy. Plus a Anthony Parker, or Matt Barnes type.
As you said before we have to get a 4 that will give orlando matchup problems for Lewis. Wallace is that guy. He could post-up Lewis all day long.
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i said a few weeks ago that maybe the orlando series showed us that mo is not a second scoring option, maybe he's better fit to be the 3rd.
well, now he is our 3rd scoring option. dude had a bad series against orlando. i don't think he was ready to battle. the entire season was a sprint, the first 2 series' were a sprint, and then we ran into a wall. it was an uphill battle and i don't think he was ready for the punches orlando threw, but i think the guy will bounce back.
he's gonna have so much freedom to find his spots with the double teams that shaq and lebron will be commanding.
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I think the Cavs won't resign Varejo. For the money he will be demanding, plus his weaknesses on offense, I think the cavs go in a different direction. If rasheed signs for the MLE, I think he's the guy. Plus a Anthony Parker, or Matt Barnes type.
I'm not sure ... you think Sheed would sign for the MLE? With Shaq on the books, that's all we could offer. I like Andy's defense, and with Shaq in the middle, we won't exactly be hurting for offense. Offense wasn't the problem against Orlando ... it was defense. With so many teams trying to save cash for 2010, and the rest of them over the cap, I'm not sure Andy could get a very big contract. I think he resigns for a one year contract for some decent coin, and looks for a bigger contract next year. For the Cavs, it's probably the best we can do, unless Charlie V or Sheed intend to sign a contract for the MLE ... which I wouldn't exactly count on.
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sheed could sign for a cheap deal if he can't find a better one, or wants another ring. dunno if i see him making a discount.
and i think andy will look for a deal this year, only because next year he won't get what he wants because of the plethora of talent available.
i dunno what happens with him, i could see anything. i like the guy, but he isn't worth 8-10, which is what he wants, right?
no way. he's a 5-6 million a year player. and he'd be miserable without lebron. unless he goes and plays with a ridiculous distributor like lebron, cp3, or nash, he will get sent to the bench and be a 7t or 8th man.
with shaq aboard, i think this gives the cavs the upperhand, they don't NEED andy. they'd welcome him, but they have a big, maybe the biggest big of them all.
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