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who's white spy ... or black spy for that matter .. no need to answer ... it was a rhetorical question used just to subtely let u know I wasn't thinking of white spy ...  guess again .... 
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what part of rhetorical did u not understand .. i even spelled it right (i think .. *L*) .. 
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Note...that post needed a picture..What? U didn't like the explosive intent??
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Well, Bonefish, it is June and long-range for "knowing" anything if that was pointed at the coming season. Where we ARE is under new leadership whose shock therapy given the pedigrees hired, might just find us some ballplayers. We are in a lousy 4-12 place just this side of pigskin hell. For Browns fans who know some ball, they know we stunk it up. The lousy record is bad, the salt in the wounds that really galls me and other fans I talk to, it is that we didn't grow or get better. For over two dozen coaches, I believe, we did not do enough to coach them up, we did not manufacture mismatches, and we did way too little as far as adjustments. We had pretty much the sam old promises, the same old lousy ball, and lost three out of four. Little blitz pressure, less effective run stopping, a three and out, kneel down offense that couldn't run, receivers who didn't, and a seeming indifference, especially on BE's part. As far as RAC, proof by my lights that what may be popular is not always right. We allowed players to do less, train less, try less, and just apparently let it fly. Favorites stayed, played regardless of performance. With BE I REALLY wondered what you had to do to get a dose of Vitamin Pine and get benched for killing us. Same for DA. I hope we are in a place where tackling and scoring touchdowns matter, where intensity is proof of being a pro. June is all about hope. Say whatever you wish; it is June. It might even be true. But we were not rough enough, fast enough or sure enough. 4 & 12 is what it is: A painful albatross to haunt us. IF we manage .500 and weed out some more losers, I will be reasonably pleased. The deck is stacked against us for success this season. But I am hopeful that we will lose our games in new ways that make us PLAY football rather than explaining away our failures, the Browns tradition since the '99 season. Just saying.    
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Sounds like you're running smack in each PF thread you are posting in.......
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Sounds like you're running smack in each PF thread you are posting in.......
look at the source. 
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No way Harrison gets 2 carries every 3 rushing downs. He is not that kind of player. Proven to not be durable enough, proven he STILL cannot block. He is a nice situational back, draws, quick screens....maybe a Pro set?? That's the only way he sees the field as much as Lewis, much less MORE.
I'd really like to see some type of running scheme that favors Harrison/Davis in the first half.. and then pound the defense w/ Lewis in the 2nd half...
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"I'd really like to see some type of running scheme that favors Harrison/Davis in the first half.. and then pound the defense w/ Lewis in the 2nd half."
Don't get your hopes set on that....Mangini if its a game plan to run it against a certain D...we will pound them and that is all Lewis.
Now if we start out with a game plan of a Wide Open look - then and only then will you see what you covet...as we force teams into their Nickel or Dime D and stretch them for the YAC RB who I will assume to be JH get into the pattern or run the ball against the Nickel/Dime.
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Don't get your hopes set on that....Mangini if its a game plan to run it against a certain D...we will pound them and that is all Lewis.
Now if we start out with a game plan of a Wide Open look - then and only then will you see what you covet...as we force teams into their Nickel or Dime D and stretch them for the YAC RB who I will assume to be JH get into the pattern or run the ball against the Nickel/Dime.
And thats the type of O I expect to see ... I saw a quote from Daboll to that affect about a week ago ... Bellyache taught his coaches to find things the other team did that the pats could exploit .. and Wies was a master at that .. I remember one game when it was the first Monday night game of the year .. and on there first drive Dillon or any other RB other than Faulk didn't see the field until they were inside the 3 .. it went on like that for the entire first half ... I believe Dillon had about 4 carries in the first half and they were all goal line carries ..
it sounds like Jeannie/Daboll are going to pattern themselves after Bellyache/Wies in that regard ...
alot of teams say there going to do it and I believe they do .. but I have never seen a team commit to it like the Pats did when Wies was there .. they'd run the ball 50 times one week nd then pass it 50 the next ..and the score didn't matter .. when they got up if passing was what they wanted to exploit that week they just right on passing ... no protecting of leads and going into a shell ...
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when they got up if passing was what they wanted to exploit that week they just right on passing ... no protecting of leads and going into a shell ...
God I hope you're right. It has seemed that even when we were winning, every coach we've had here went into protect mode. I say screw it, if you are up by 14 and your passing game is still clicking.......run up the score!!
Just imagine a Browns team that is hated by the press for running up the score in a game that is decided  .....man I'm salivating just thinking about it.
No more running the clock out and turning the ball over on 3 and outs, only to have the other team score twice quickly and be right back in it. If Jamal is busting off 5+ yards a carry, then run him until he can't run no more. Then spread them out and turn loose "The Ghost". If BQ is eating them up with the passing game , long or short, then I want their last play on their last possession to be a bomb to Edwards in the end zone.
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now again .. its talk at this point .. we'll see what happens ..
I like the talk from Mangini. He seems to know something and is not afraid to lay out his strategy about the team and what he expects. What past coach has done that? Many were afraid to show that they were still guessing and didn't know what to expect. You can 't have a confident team without a confident coach. Mangini even expects the practice to be better and organized...something we were not seeing.
I have seen many coaches that were afraid to go out and push for success and make a strategy to win. Crennel was always hoping to find Brady and some other talent to stop his fears. Mangini seems to want to use what we have and take advantage of their talents. We may not win but I will take a coach with a plan over someone who is afraid to lose.
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He seems to know something and is not afraid to lay out his strategy about the team and what he expects...
Kinda cool to see, from my P.O.V. I was on board for the Phil/Rac show from the start... hoping for a winning combo, but we've all seen how things turned out.
This seems very different... and one of the biggest differences is the way in which Mangini has taken the No Nonsense Approach. He seems to be clear, direct, and unambiguous- which sends a message to players, fans and **coff,coff** media alike.
It's taken awhile, but I see a change in attitude on this board, as bits and pieces of info come out. For the first time in a long time, it seems that the only 'circus'-type stuff coming out of Berea is media-generated. It actually looks like a centered, professional bunch are working at 76 Groza... and are setting the standards for a respectable pro football squad.
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Mangini even expects the practice to be better and organized...something we were not seeing.
...and that's where it starts... at least from the fan's perspective. In truth, it starts much earlier than that. I think that crisp, well-organized practices are an extension of the overall mindset of the administration. With any luck, we'll see it on the field this Fall, even with so many new folks in so many new roles.
This just feels more professional and competent than what we've seen before.
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I say screw it, if you are up by 14 and your passing game is still clicking.......run up the score!!
Houston vs. Indy last year....Houston up 14 late in the 4th quarter, but the passing game is clicking, so they stick with it.
Sage Rosenfel's throws a pick.....Indy TD.
Next possession, they decide that their passing game should still work, but tell Sage to not throw it if it's not wide open. Noone wide open, Sage decides to scramble, ball gets stripped, Indy recovers. Indy TD.
Indy goes on to win the game in one of the worst choke jobs I have ever seen (enjoy Sage Viking fans).
just saying, sometimes it does make sense to just run the clock and get the game over with. not necessarily just straight up the middle, and mixing in a play-action pass is a good idea, but you don't want to give the game away either.
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"every coach we've had here went into protect mode."
Actually ALL BUT ONE. Everyone's beloved MO CARTHON - who impressed me with his GUTS to win and just cause the book said to run the clock out and teams put 8 in and 10 close to the box - I loved that he went and got the first down with a high percentage pass to move the chains and run the clock!
But then all the fans were pre-occupied with his 3rd n 1 pitch to Vickers for a first to notice.
JMHO - probably the most conservative coach was Butch but remember we have had teams that just couldn't match others with Talent - stay conservative and at least the game is close. We are reaching an era where we can go toe to toe against teams with TALENT.
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Mo Carthon didn't even understand OL protections schemes. He'd call out a rediculous pairing then not allow Dilfer to audible out of it. Carthon was worthless here.
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Mo Carthon didn't even understand OL protections schemes. He'd call out a rediculous pairing then not allow Dilfer to audible out of it. Carthon was worthless here.
Just like Arians was no good and worthless here ...
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Neither of those guys had that much to work with. What little talent they had on the field, double digit IR lists took care of.
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While I'm thinking bout it, LeBeau was incompetent in Cincy, Arians was incompetent in Cleveland...
They don't look quite so incompetent now...
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No Arians was never incompetant. He understood how an offense worked or was supposed to work. I never had much of a problem with him.
Now when you're calling the wrong protection and taking a hard line not allowing a guy with 10 years experience at QB to audible out that is incompetance.
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If u say U didn't .. then i believe U .. but u were one of the few that did not want him run out of here on rails .... I spent many hours on here defending him to the less football intelligent ...
the one I remember the most was the goal line call to Cutt .... but that was just one play .. most around here could not connect the dots enough to know that he was SEVERELY HANDCUFFED due to the LACK OF TALENT!! ... hence why I brought him up ...
I don't know how good or bad Mo would be with talent .. I know here he was not given any chance at all here due to LACK OF TALENT ...
as far as wrong line calls and Dilfer go .. U have no idea why he did those things .. he may have had some sort of proccess where the QB had to EARN HIS TRUST before he let them audible .. U or I have NO CLUE what went on behind closed doors ..
but to me .. not letting Dilfer not audible isnlt the end of the world .. guy was never known as a CEREBRIAL QB to say the least ...
mo very well may have been dead nuts wrong .. but I am certainly not going to make a BLANKET STATEMENT of his incompetence off of one move .. SEE ARIANS AND THE HANDOFF TO CUTT NEAR THE GOALINE PLAY ..
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When Jeff Davidson became OC after Carthon was fired there was plenty of quotes concerning Mo Carthon's lack of knowledge. Tucker, Dilfer and others were releaved that we could match a play call to a protection. Carthon was basically handicapping plays from the start and not letting the players who knew what they were doing to fix them.
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Though some Browns muffled their feelings, the change from Maurice Carthon to Jeff Davidson was welcomed by two linemen whose collective description of the offense made it sound like a chaotic mess. Joe Andruzzi and Cosey Coleman said the offense was not organized, plays were not called properly, Carthon was overly critical and cohesion on the coaching staff was missing.
``You guys kind of saw most of that,'' Andruzzi said when asked if players were behind Carthon. ``As an offense, it was more or less a lot of confusion, a lot of young guys not on the same page. As an offense, all 11 guys have to work together as one.'' Coleman said Carthon's in-your-face style ``wasn't a good formula for success.''
Andruzzi even confirmed that plays sometimes were sent in with the wrong protection or wrong formation, making it nearly impossible to make them work. ``That's part of the confusion,'' Andruzzi said. ``It gets to a point where you're going to be the guy calling the play, you got to get it called right.'' ...
One story from last year -- told by a player prior to this week -- seems to sum up what now appears to have been a dysfunctional situation. It had then-quarterback Trent Dilfer telling Carthon that a play he called in practice had the wrong protection. Carthon responded by telling Dilfer to run the play the way he called it, protection or not. That angered Davidson, who turned around and slammed his clipboard to the ground.
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"Now when you're calling the wrong protection and taking a hard line not allowing a guy with 10 years experience at QB to audible out that is incompetance."
And just what are you trying to say here...at the end when there was friction.
This was a classic case of why we were screwed for waiting till the SB so we could hire RAC and then be the last team to put a staff together. Mo and Davidson were not on the same page and the rift occurred. You are siting garbage from some internal tripe that went on and are trying to tell me (us) just what you know about his incompetence. I'll repeat what I said - the subject was brought up about not doing the run, run pass thing and getting 3 n outs when we had the lead.
I stated as an observation that we had an OC here that didn't apply to that conservative play not to lose Mantra...Its was MO CARTHON. Say what you wish about him but you don't really know. You be an OC with a OLCoach not on the same page as you and see how fun that was....have you ever been an OC? Have you ever been an OL coach?
Btw we didn't hire Davidson cause he caused major friction with the Offense and RAC didn't want him running his O - he turned on Mo who knows what Mo would have given us as they built the OL in 07?
What I do know is I liked Arians (feel bad cause I turned on him just prior to when he got fired but came back to his defense well before being promoted to the Steelers OC...what was he the Steeler's QB Coach? And I also said Zierlien was a good OL coach where is he now...Steelers OL coach?
Well Mo went to Zona as the RB coach and now is the Asst. Head Coach of the new Chiefs - with no actual job description of OC but you got to wonder as Gailey had his first year as the Chiefs OC last season...who knows how long that will last?
But funny how all these guys SUCK when they are coaching (guess what? Sucky Talent - as we never got out of Expansion) but give them talent and they seem to succeed pretty nicely.
JMHO - I don't need to be told how incompetent Mo was. Actually a lot of his offensive philosophy is instilled and very close to what we will see this year with two differences.
1. We will have WAY MORE TALENT than Mo had.
2. We will have an OL coach on the same page! Note Mo wanted the same blocking scheme mandated by Mangini and staff.
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You are obviously not getting it.
Individual play calls submitted by Carthon as Offensive Coordinator were called with the wrong protection for that individual play.
How hard is this to comprehend?
And I am very confident that this will not happen with Mangini.
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Ummm...nice words now a few more.
Prove it.
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Andruzzi even confirmed that plays sometimes were sent in with the wrong protection or wrong formation, making it nearly impossible to make them work. ``That's part of the confusion,'' Andruzzi said. ``It gets to a point where you're going to be the guy calling the play, you got to get it called right.'' ...
One story from last year -- told by a player prior to this week -- seems to sum up what now appears to have been a dysfunctional situation. It had then-quarterback Trent Dilfer telling Carthon that a play he called in practice had the wrong protection. Carthon responded by telling Dilfer to run the play the way he called it, protection or not. That angered Davidson, who turned around and slammed his clipboard to the ground.
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Is that good enough? Do you want me to arrange a meeting with you and Dilfer or Andruzzi or Davidson or Coleman?
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Andruzzi even confirmed that plays sometimes were sent in with the wrong protection or wrong formation, making it nearly impossible to make them work. ``That's part of the confusion,'' Andruzzi said. ``It gets to a point where you're going to be the guy calling the play, you got to get it called right.'' ...
One story from last year -- told by a player prior to this week -- seems to sum up what now appears to have been a dysfunctional situation. It had then-quarterback Trent Dilfer telling Carthon that a play he called in practice had the wrong protection. Carthon responded by telling Dilfer to run the play the way he called it, protection or not. That angered Davidson, who turned around and slammed his clipboard to the ground.
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Is that good enough? Do you want me to arrange a meeting with you and Dilfer or Andruzzi or Davidson or Coleman?
Heldawg is right...I remember this issue specifically.
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You seem to fail to see the problem...Davidson and Mo were at odds with each other. They did not work together - there was almost a revolution. The OC should not be making the line calls - MICRO MANAGING or was he having to live a nightmare from an OL coach not on the same page. Remember Mo was from the Parcells tree who believed in Power Base Blocking as was RAC if he took charge, as was Mangini as he does take charge. Davidson wanted to implement a Zone blocking scheme. Mo as the OC did not...Davidson at one point walked away from his job and told Mo to do what he wanted - lost was the loyalty of Davidson and lost was the loyalty of the OL.
You telling me some DISS from Andruzzi a multiple year vet of Davidson's and was brought here to play for his OL coach as Proof. I'm a firm believer that there are more than one way to skin a cat. What you need is execution! What we had here was OIL n WATER and sorry but I believe the OL coach should follow his OC and keep any disagreements private and on the side. Once with the team he must follow the OC's wishes not revolt. In that sense I lost all respect for Davidson and was glad that he was fired. Again we put this team together after the RAC hiring which was after the SB we got as good a staff as we could individually but all too often none were good with ONE Direction ONE GOAL as we have seen this Mangini staff put together - I for one am glad we made our hire early!!!
But I don't think you know nearly as much as you think. Mo had negatives and I won't go into it. The discussion was about finally having an Offense that will not play NOT TO LOSE when we have a lead. I noted that we did have an OC in our past who played TO WIN from my observations...that is what I stated. This is not a discussion about Mo. I state that is a virtue of Mo that I liked. For some reason in rebuttal to give the appearance that you actually know something you come across with this wrong blocking scheme call as if you even know what that implies... 
But I'll state this over again. Mo was not afraid of losing but instead called the O to win! This is not from inside INFO this was from watching the games! You wish to object to that observation do so...but don't give me some crap about blocking schemes or anything of that nature as if that counters my observations of Mo and in this discussion. Have a difference of opinion - I do not care its a free country. But as I beat you to the ground as your opinion happens to be Incorrect  don't cry the loser call. Boo hoo he's condescending, he's insulting, he's yada yada, hey how bout the appropriate response...He's Correct 
Later and tell me some more about blocking Shemes 
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I'm glad you're typing all of this in a public forum instead of a PM. It's making you look a little silly but this could be instructional for others and save them at some point. Whenever someone disagrees with you, you go into "i know more than you about football" mode. It's like someone rings the bell and like Pavlov's dog you go into attack. And then you go into .... Quote:
For some reason in rebuttal to give the appearance that you actually know something you come across with this wrong blocking scheme call as if you even know what that implies...
But as I beat you to the ground as your opinion happens to be Incorrect don't cry the loser call. Boo hoo he's condescending, he's insulting, he's yada yada, hey how bout the appropriate response...He's Correct
You're better than that...aren't you? That's childlike.
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And finally for those that remember the issue. It was brought up by many many players. Carthon would call the wrong blocking scheme for an individual play and not allow players to change the specific play call he called in.
He was unquestionably inept at his job.
We're not talking about Davidson installing a zone blocking offense against the OC's will here.
Okay I'm done.
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thats one part of his job .. 1 PART ... and he was a MUCH MUCH BETTER PLAYER than any of the guys U mentioned that are criticizing him ... not really sure why i mentioned that as it is pretty irrelivent .. but i did .. so it stays .. *L* ..
Casey Coleman?? .. *LOL* ..
my point being two fold ..
1, I am sure he understands blocking schemes as he was a pretty damm good blocker in his day .. so it makes me wonder why this happend .. sounds to me like a POWER STRUGGLE between Mo and Davidson ... and then Trent upset he couldn't audible got involved on Davidson's side ..
and then MO coming from the Parcells tree .. said .. I WILL BITE MY NOSE TO SPITE MY FACE .. i am going to prove whos in charge even if i have to look like an ass doing it .. *L* ..
thats not plausible??? ..
2. if he did stink at that part of his job .. SO WHAT ... its one part of his job that is EASILY LEARNABLE .. it does not make him a MISERABLE FAILURE FOREVER ....
and at the end of the day .. who really cared what Scheme we called anyway .. OUR LINE COULD BLOCK NO ONE ANYWAYS ... I am not sure if anyone on that line could even make the team now much less contribute .. (aside from Tucker) ..
I liked Arians .. thought be could be OK with the right players around him .. he is nuttin special .. but not the bum most on here thought he was ...
I am indifferent to Mo .. not sure if he could be OK or a bust or sumptin special .. what I do know is that no matter how many line calls he blew .. THAT DOES NOT PROVE HES THE RAVING IDIOT U WANNA MAKE HIM OUT TO BE ..
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The announcer?
Also, wasn't Carthon a fullback?
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Coleman .. the BUM that everyone thought was the solution to al our OL woes the second he signed as usual .. right up until he stepped on the field ....
Carthon was a FB .. a GREAT BLOCKING FB ... that was his claim to fame .... he was a HELL OF A BLOCKER ....
and one thing all RB's and FB's know is what the OL is doing on EVERY SINGLE PLAY .... they best know all the blocking schemes as well as the OLman ..
is that better?? ...
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"I'm glad you're typing all of this in a public forum instead of a PM.
It's making you look a little silly but this could be instructional for others and save them at some point."
1. Do I know you personal...I don't take this to a personal PM. After all when did you invite me to visit you in Hawaii
2. as for making me silly. Only to those who dislike my presentation to begin with. All I know is I did not stray from the subject matter and attack you...it was you who came after me and when I defended, you point the finger and cry BOO HOO! If that makes me look bad to others so be it.
"Whenever someone disagrees with you, you go into "i know more than you about football" mode."
A common misconception - I just present the facts that I do know which form my opinion. Because I state them strong and soundly to those who are either Ignorant on the subject or just miss informed it permeates some sort of statement of superiority. Again I must apologize for any knowledge I have and if possibly its more than others...I'll try to dummy it down for you But I don't go around stating "I know more than you" I simply state what I do know and unfortunately it happens to be MORE than what you have presented. Label it what you wish. But what it comes down to is I have a difference of opinion and if I actually go and prove it - "I'm stating - I know more football than you" - again I am asked to dummy down my football as I don't go around STATING more knowledge to proving it...lol  There is that condescending enough
But I posted a lot of pure football in my last post - and your response is like wise PURE FOOTBALL....nah, just another PERSONAL ATTACK again if your knowledge is so deep why go to the personal angle...I will tell you why, its the only leverage you got. How bout quit your crying, quit the insults and have a football discussion with me. I don't ask you to agree just be sound in your reasoning and be prepared to back it up with logic and facts.
JMHWish - I don't come here for BS and 
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Hehe, I was just kidding you about Cosey (as opposed to Casey) Coleman.
I didn't know that much about Carthon and even less about blocking schemes so I just wanted to know why his being a RB would give him the knowledge of a blocking scheme.
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Blitz pick-up. That's what made Jason Wright so valuable was his ability to pickup the blitz. You have to know what blocking scheme your OL is running, and be able to diagnose the defense, so that you can figure out who is coming from where. as long as your OL stays with their assignment, you are able to put a body on the right person to give your QB a better chance to make a play.
also, as a runner, esp in a "1 cut" system it helps to know what type of blocking your OL is doing so you can hit the hole w/o hesitation.
just some examples i can think of
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There are two basic kinds of blocking schemes, either man or zone. It is imperative that the RB/FB know the line calls so he doesn't dance around.....ala William Green. Green often stated that he didn't know his OL enough due to frequent injuries on their part and lack of consistency on the OL, he didn't know for sure which way to go on a play.
You have inside zone, outside zone, and stretch....inside being between the tackles, outside being between the T and the TE and stretch being out beyond the TE or last man on the OL but inside the spread WR. The RB has to know which blocking assignment is being called because this will tell him where the hole should appear and he should run in that direction with the faith that the hole will quickly appear and close.....that's why they call it running to daylight, that's what it looks like.
In zone blocking the OL blocks areas and in man blocking there are individual man assignments and your job there is to drive your man away from the play.
Can we get a chalkboard installed on here?????
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Lots of change without knowing what effect it will have on the overall performance of the team.
I feel pretty good about the change especially the firing of PS. Can't say I didn't drink some of his cool ade but now that I have sobered myself up, I realize how poor he was at building a team. Yes he upgraded much of the talent, I could have done the same we were so starved for talent on this team. The part I blame on Savage the most though is that he never addressed our depth issues. That is why I think will be a lot better this season. We have better depth across the board. My one concern in that area is at safety I just don't think BP is the answer, and if I read Ryan correctly I think he has some big question marks about the position as well. Depth isn't that great here either although we do have some at least.
I see the defense as being much improved across the board though, in the area of depth and in the case of the D line rotational players. Will play better this season because we have better talent, and a weaker schedule. Clearly though we will have to continue to upgrade thru the draft at the LB position. Hopefully Ryan can get KW going. I know it takes in some instance 3 to 4 years for a OLB to make the full transition to the NFL after playing DE in college, so in the case of KW lets hope so, will see.
Loved the draft just absolutely loved the draft. You can never have to good an O Line in fact if I were the GM in the NFL I would draft a minimum of one O Linemen every single year in the 1st our 2nd round. I would build a football team that is known for great lines be it defense, be it and especially O Line.
Loved the pick-up of Foster, a new beginning at a lower altitude may just help him become the player he was suppose to be. And we added depth across the board on the line, nice work here by Mangini, he gets it.
We were thread thin at WR, that is no longer the case and the drafting of Mack actually makes it possible for a guy like Robiskie to be all he can be at this level. Nice pick-up here. Robiskie should make a huge difference for whoever turns out to be our QB.
I have no real Dawg in that fight let the best man win, and while were at it lets support the coaches decision this time.
Thanks for the thread interesting takes by many. Oh and on the girls in Bikinis, I ain't dead yet so I still enjoy the view. However, what in the hell are some of you doing here if it's time to ignore football??
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Diam wrote: Quote:
Coaching will be huge .. we have an experienced DC .. we have a plan on O and are AQUIRING PLAYERS to fit into it .. we wanna run the ball .. so we get rid of Shaff and draft a replacement for Hank .. our two weakest links (and i mean that literally .. ) are now gone ..
Time will tell what offense philosophy we embrace and if we "want to run the ball". So far I haven't seen enough to be convinced of that. Yes, we drafted a center and picked up a couple linemen in FA, but we didn't draft a running back until the 6th round, passing on any of the top Backs. Including passing on Wells multiple times. Meanwhile, we drafted two WR's in the second. Doesn't sound like a serious commitment to running the ball to me.
So what do we have at RB? An aging Lewis that barely eked out a measly 1000 yrds last season and nothing but questions behind him. Harrison and a rook we got in the 6th. That doesn't fill me with confidence if, god forbid, Lewis were to go down early in the season.
I am hoping Mangini picks up a RB after cuts in camp. Usually a RB or two become available after cuts and I'm crossing my fingers we upgrade our depth in this area.
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