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BEREA, Ohio -- The Ryan family knows defense.

It goes back to Buddy Ryan, whose revolutionary 46 scheme led the 1985 Chicago Bears to a Super Bowl. It's transferred down to Buddy's twin sons, Rob and Rex Ryan, who have been very good defensive coordinators in the NFL. Now Rex Ryan is a first-year head coach for the New York Jets.

Meanwhile, Rob Ryan is spending his first season as defensive coordinator with the Cleveland Browns. He has high hopes for a unit that finished No. 26 in the league last year and collected just 17 sacks in 16 games.

Rob Ryan says he's in Cleveland to change that.

"I know one thing," he said. "What we're going to have here in Cleveland is an attacking defense. It's going to be an exciting defense, and we're going to play great football."

Rob Ryan praised individual players Wednesday such as defensive tackle Shaun Rogers, cornerback Eric Wright and linebackers D'Qwell Jackson and Kamerion Wimbley, all of whom areóworking with Rob Ryan for the first time.

The Browns' defensive coordinator also said he's going to mix things up. He even hinted that the Browns will use some variations of the 46 defense to create havoc on game days.

Buddy Ryan also is expected to make an appearance in Cleveland this summer, according to his son.

"Right when training camp starts he's going to be here," Rob Ryan said. "He's a Cleveland Browns fan."

So why isn't Buddy Ryan also a Jets fan?

"I don't know," Rob Ryan said with a smile. "Maybe he likes them, too."



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Hell Yes is all I have to say, about freaking time.

buddy is probably my absolute favorite coach of all time and you have to think all that aggressivness had to rub off on Rob as it certainly did on Rex. Its going to be fun seeing what he can do with this defense.

"I know one thing," he said. "What we're going to have here in Cleveland is an attacking defense. It's going to be an exciting defense, and we're going to play great football."

its about time the dawgs were let off the chain.

Well for now it sounds like we have a DC who knows what he's doing..and not going to play this read n react crap I' ve seen for 9 years..

I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing what Rob can do with this defense. I too am SO tired of watching passive defensive schemes get shredded by even mediocre offenses. Attacking defenses don't always win, but they are a heck of a lot more fun to watch and, given Rob Ryan's experience, I think (hope ) we're in for a treat!

All i know is.. When the Browns are on defense.. I wanna see guys moving around in attack mod²... whether they are coming or not.. Both MLB's lined up over the NT... OLB's with their hands and fingers moving like they are blitzing like their life depended on it...

I WANT PRESSURE!!!!! PRESSURE!!! PRESSURE!!!!

Our defense the past few years has been so vanilla and predictable...

ABOUT TIME WE GET SOME CHANGE!!

Go Ryan... Add the Browns to the list of great AFC North defenses..

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Cleveland Browns coordinators Seely, Ryan, Daboll bring optimism to first media session
by Tony Grossi/Plain Dealer Reporter
Wednesday June 17, 2009, 6:56 PM

BEREA, Ohio -- Browns coach Eric Mangini hired his three coordinators almost five months ago. On Wednesday, they met with the media for the first time.

Here's a closer look at them and their views on their units after the conclusion of the off-season workouts.

Brad Seely, special teams coordinator

A 20-year veteran of the NFL, some in the league feel he has been unfairly overlooked as a head coach candidate.

Mangini pried him away from New England by giving him the additional title of assistant head coach, which could raise his profile. Seely said the role makes him a liaison between Mangini and the other assistants.

• On what difference he can make:

"This team on special teams has been very solid. I've played against them and they gave us some real difficulties because of the players. I think you improve on it by maybe a change of the scheme, maybe a change on how to get them motivated ... you come across with a different message of how we'll be successful. Then it comes down to players."

• On kicker Phil Dawson:

"I've been fortunate to play in four Super Bowls and every one of them was decided by three points or less. So field goal kicking is of utmost necessity on a good football team. So Phil brings that to the table. Here's a guy that's done it for a long time in a real tough place to kick. I think he's one of the unsung kickers in this league. He's been really good a long period of time in a tough environment."

• On special teams stalwart Josh Cribbs:

"It's been a pleasure to coach him. He's a real veteran professional, goes about his business, wants to be a great player and does the right things to prepare himself. Here's a guy you want to have the ball in his hands as much as you possibly can, and he makes a lot of plays on coverage teams, too."

Rob Ryan, defensive coordinator

He displayed the same fondness for the microphone shared by his twin brother Rex Ryan, coach of the Jets, and inherited from his father Buddy Ryan, the mastermind of the Chicago Bears' dominant defense of the mid-1980s.

Upon being introduced to the unresponsive media, he quipped, "Thanks for the applause." His homespun humor is sometimes marked by expletives and he doesn't suffer questions about what preceded him here. "I'm not here to farm anybody else's land," he said.

Ryan coached four years with Mangini in New England and was Oakland's defensive coordinator the past five seasons.

• On his vision for the defense:

"We want to be multiple, want to have multiple players play different spots and cause confusion. That's where we want to get to. Right now, the first thing is to be able to line up and play with good technique. As soon as you get a grasp of your basic concepts the sooner you can be multiple and be more effective."

• On the joy of sacks:

"Obviously, growing up around the Chicago Bears that set all the records for sacks, that was a great style of play and it's fun for fans. The biggest thing is being able to get off the field. What pressure does ... it causes people to turn the ball over. To me, that's the most important thing -- getting turnovers and keeping points off the scoreboard."

• On unlocking the potential of Kamerion Wimbley:

"We're playing Kamerion all over -- right, left and also in the "buck" [scheme], which moves him around. So he's had a lot of roles and we look forward to increasing his role. I think the young man has great ability to rush the passer ... he's a hard worker and he does what the coaches ask him to do. We ask him to concentrate on pushing the pocket and using more bull rush than speed rushing. You see him working on it every day. I believe he's only going to get better with great coaching. I think he's going to have a tremendous year for us."

• On Shaun Rogers:

"Shaun Rogers is a tremendous specimen, he's so athletic for a big man. That's a rare thing. I think I'm pretty familiar with what a good one looks like. Shaun Rogers is tremendous, absolutely tremendous. Any system that he plays in, he's going to be dominant. It's fun to see him move around and do some things."

• On D'Qwell Jackson:

"I'm really impressed with him. I think the sky's the limit for that young man, his future. I've seen the film enough. I watched that young man run around, run to the football, lead the league in tackles. A blind man can see his talent."

Brian Daboll, offensive coordinator

The youngest (34 years old) and least experienced of Mangini's coordinators, Daboll has the job of picking up the pieces of a unit that did not score an offensive touchdown over the final six games of last season.

He is the next generation of the Bill Belichick tree, having started under Nick Saban (at Michigan State) and been eased into NFL coaching by Belichick, first on defense. He was Mangini's quarterbacks coach with the Jets and this year he'll be calling plays for the first time in his career.

• On his offensive philosophy:

"We're going to do whatever we need to do to try to win each particular week. One week it could be running a bunch, one week passing a bunch. But as for our approach, our aim is to be smart, tough, competitive and tenacious."

• On Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn:

"Both of them have been in early and out late. They're working extremely hard. They're competitive with one another. They're learning the system the best they can. There's some mistakes out there and some other days they're doing really well. Right now it's an open competition. The best player is going to win."

• On winning the QB competition:

"What we're looking for is someone to get into the huddle, call the play, get the people lined up ... the whole mechanics of the huddle operation. The next thing is decision-making. Who can perform under pressure? We've been trying to put as much pressure on them as we can, but when the pads come on that will sort itself out."

I'll wait until a few games into the season before gushing over the defense. It seems like every offseason we read these positive articles and yet still see the same bland defensive schemes.

I love that he's just putting it out there that we'll be an attacking defense.

I don't mind getting beat. But I do mind watching a team march down the field 7 yards at a chunk and walking into the endzone.

Be aggressive at least and try.

Romeo was all about scheme and fits and base 34 defense. It was so passive it was pathetic.

I hated it when our defense actually made a play on first down... and make it 2nd/3rd and long.... and then the team converts on a 3rd and 25... WTH!!!????

NO MORE!!

This is the first time that I have really been excited about this defense since the return. we are putting in some of the old 46 defense. We are going to be turning guys loose on defense. It will be a bit more of what we wanted out of the 3-4 as well.

Rogers, Williams and Robaire know how to get to the QB. Wimbley forgot how to get to the qb lol Hall has the potential. I remember the way Jackson played in college and I cant help but think he can do some of that for us and once Veikune we will have to wait a bit to see.

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It seems like every offseason we read these positive articles and yet still see the same bland defensive schemes.

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Rambo,

Agreed. Until the pads are on and we have laid out a few opponents it nothing but talk....talk I like, but nothing but talk.

We're gonna run the 46 in some packages this year!

Yeah, but that doesn't mean we'll run it well or effectively.
Like Sun & Rambo.... I'll wait until I actually see it and see it being effective on the field before I go getting all excited.



So far it is just the same offseason optimism articles that we see every year at this time, the quotes are just coming from a different mouth.

I remember the Ravens said that they were going to run the 46 in '05 and ended up going 6 & 10.

yea I really would hate to have a defense like the Ravens had in 2005 they sucked so bad they ended up with the 5th ranked defense.

I like red wine and white wine but the Brown and Orange whine is tough to get down and its sure being poured alot around here lately.

j/k

Like I've said before, show me the W on the field and you can say whatever you want in the papers, (I dont read them anyway).....But.....

I do hope we finally hit somebody in the mouth on Def. It's been a long tme since a Browns team played like the Dawgs of old.

Even the Dawgs of Old never got it done though. They may not have gotten pushed around, but I still say this has as much to do with scheme implementation, mental attitude, and coaching, as it does anything. Time will tell.

No doubt......show me something to get excited about and believe me, I will have no problem getting excited!

I knew U would figure it out..in seriousness let me say this..I don't know how this new bunch of players will respond..it should be better than last year but as usual there are too many ????? marks..
This regime seems to what to implant discipline..thats all fine n dandy..lets see it on the field..

Always questions..too often, bad answers..I'm not excited..I'm passive..but will be very quick to get annoyed if this stuff fails ..tired of this same ole crud on the field , no playoffs..no consistancy..

j/c

To those of you who are so adamant about pointing out that you will "believe it when you see it" and will only get excited after "seeing it" I have a few comments. (Please note that I am not trying to pick a fight...just some points I think should be highlighted.)

I see a new head coach who has been a head coach in the NFL before coming to Cleveleand. (Reason to be excited that you can see.)

I see a draft process that clearly followed a plan. Good plan? Maybe...maybe not. But the entire draft process had a purpose. Draft smart, good-to-high character guys, who will buy into the system. (Reason to be excited that you can see...because we actually had a clear, visible, viable plan...whether it works or not at least we had a plan for a change.)

I see depth, depth, and more depth. Anyone remember TC last year when we snarred Travis Daniels and Terry Cousins and RAC said something like: "We are good to go with the guys we have now"?

The new guys are all about getting better and bringing in more and more competition. They don't just claim that the are doing so...they are doing it. Will it matter? I think so. Has it played out on the field yet? No. Can you see that this is something very different than what we did in the past? Sure. (Reason to be excited that you can see.)

In years past, I saw that we were so ridiculously undisciplined that it wasn't even funny. Now...our star QBs make a boo-boo in practice and I see them run laps. We may still make mistakes and bumble games away...but we WILL be a better disciplined team. (Reason to be excited that you can see.)

Lastly, there is no doubt who is in charge of this team. I see that the inmates are no longer running the asylum. Now...is Mangini better at running things than the inmates? I think so...but the mere FACT that the HC - who has been there before and done that - is in charge...has a plan...makes sense when he throws bones to the media etc. Have we won a game yet? Nope. Can you see that this issue will be different than the debacles of prior years? Sure. (Reason to be excited that you can see.)

If we are talking about a player improving (ie Wimbley), then absolutely...no excitment for you until we SEE it on the field.

However, when talking generally about the Browns and why THIS year is different than the pre-season optimism of the last decade...it is pretty darn clear to see enough to warrant excitement...even though the pads haven't yet been dusted off.

Lets see..how do I reply to this..oh like I normally would...
Good ole sarcasm... ..dude I don't care what anyone says ..there are things I already understand as I mentioned...and understand it better than most..but until I see the product on the field and playing with better consistancy and actually producing at a high level..no one needs to try to instill a false sense of optimism to me..

I've watched this putrid farse of a organization since 99 and every year it's the same ole mess plastered inbetween 2 above .500 seasons..

I have had to cringe every time I watched the draft and this team be a absolute freaking joke trying to act like they can pick players when members of this board (who were here when this was actually the Browns meesage board) could draft 10 times better..

And the same mess happens at FA time..so I want to see what this new group produces..and when I say I'm not excited..beliee-dat..cuze I'm not..
That has run old in me..I have grown tired of it and all the changes..this team has been mishandled from the get go in ' 99..
While I'm not a synical type like some I know, I'm not naive or offbase..
I need to see vast improvement from every unit..

Unfortunately, none of what you stated will guarantee success. I think the people that want to take a "wait and see" approach understand this. There is a difference between "reasons to get excited" and wanting to see actual success. The "wait and see" group aren't saying there aren't reasons to be excitement but understand that excitement is meaningless until we see it translate into wins.

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That has run old in me..I have grown tired of it and all the changes

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I'm with ya there, I just cant get excited, The come see our new winning tradition or our new winning slogan, or our new winning Dawg Mascots or our new winning ticket plan......I'm tired......tired of disapointments, tired of not even looking like a pro football team, tiredof "NEW"...."BETTER" "DIFFRENT" this time....ya know what from now on I'll be the judgge of that,

The little boy in me who grew up in Willard, wearing a Jerry Sherk & Doug Dieken jersey all summer no matter how hot it got, the little boy who saved his money to buy a new Browns hat at the gas station, or the little boy who begged his mom & dad to buy gas form a certian station, becuase they were giving out football player stamps or even later Browns glasses....thats the part that wants to get excited again feel "IT" again, wanting to turn down a day in a tree stand becuase the Browns are on that what wants to get excited, but whats holding me & others back is that the product we've been given the last ten years, the promises we've been told, the waiting until next year, than 2-3 more to see playoffs that never comes, were tired of false hope tired of unfillied dreams.....but in the end were just plain Dawg tired.....So dont get mad if many of us are to the point of seeing is believeing, because we've been down about ever road, and tiring to sell us another year of just promises is not gonna work.

i'm one who wants the coachs & players to shut up and play football, dont offer promise to predict to the media.....Just go out on the field and do what your paid to do......just do it...no more excuses...no more mulligans.....

J/C.

We shall see if what they (the coaches) are saying has any merit in week 1. There's no secret to what the Vikings will try to do in week 1. Adrian Peterson will be 'All Day' regardless of who is QB for them if we cannot stop him.

Every year, just like most of you, I have hope that this will be the year. But you're not going to win me over by SAYING you're going to do this or that. You'll win me over, by winning. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't care if Mangenious came on this board personally and stated we're going to go 16-0. It means nothing until you actually do it.

Sure saying this defense is going to be an attacking 'D' is something we haven't seen. Just do it.

I LOVE this article .. its much better than the one last June by RAC and Tuck ... much better ... these guys obviously get it ..

I remember how BUMMED i was when they came out and said there gonna play a non aggressive, read and react type D cause they thought that was the way to go .... all I could do was scratch my head when they said that when they did decide to blitz they were only going to send the guys that RAN RIGHT INTO THE BLOCKER LIKE THAT WAS THE GOAL as opposed to getting to the QB ...

then they toped it off with the WHO CARES ABOUT CREATING TURNOVERS statement .... I was just beside myself at that point ...

Ya these guys are GENIUSES and are much better ... *LOL* ...

Look .... I believe were going to be a much better team this year than last .. and coaching has sumptin to do with it .. but this year these guys have MORE TALENT in that we have some new players .. we have players back from injury .. and some of the kids are a year older ... so this group will BE AFFOREDED THE LUXURY TO DO ALOT MORE THINGS ...

why?? cause they have ALOT MORE TALENT THAN the previous years .. U could have had God himself run our D last year and after the INJURIES STARTED to set in ... he would have only done marginally better ..

someone above mentioned depth and how Jeannie/Coke understand this and are building it better than the other guys did ... thats true . but the MAIN REASON for it isn;t because the other guys didn't get it .. the other guys are ACTUALLY THE REASON they can do it because they BUILT THE FOUNDATION ...

When Opie and RAC took over we NEEDED EVERYTHING ... name me one position we were set at .. GO AHEAD ... u may be able to name one or two positions ... but good luck FINDING MORE THAN THAT .. and you'll need even more luck to find a UNIT THAT WAS EVEN AVERAGE IN THE LEAGUE ...

so those guys had to AQUIRE ABOUT 18 STARTERS before they got the depth .. the new guys .. not near as many .. hence its ALOT EASIER TO AQUIRE DEPTH ...

when Opie and RAC brought in a guy like Hood it was to start ... and he would have possibly been our #1 .. now hes going to fight for a starters spot .. thats about as good of an example as there is ...

and on what Ryan said about DQ .. I am one blind SOB ... I can not wait to see the player that Ryan sees in him ... the only two things I can not understand about this group is when jeannie said that DQ was one of two untouchables .. and now this from Ryan ..

I truely hope these guys make me eat crow on him ,, cause i do not see it .. and quite frankly them saying that SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME!!!!!!

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Here's one thing you can take to the bank: Wimbley won't ever be able to bull-rush an offensive lineman. The coaches can talk that up all they want, but he simply isn't strong enough from the waist-down to consistenly do that, Rob Ryan and Eric Mangini be damned.

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I think Ryan and Mangini are probably smart enough to figure that out as well, I'm sure they don't expect KW to just plow through people. With the athleticism of Wimbley I have to believe that a bullrush would be an initial move for, if anything, to throw the OL off balance then follow up with a spin move. That in itself is "another move", and takes some of his predictability away.