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Yeah... that will really help matters. 
It'll help JJ AND stick it to the Lerners, whos ownership has disgraced the Cleveland Browns. Its a win win in my eyes.
Wins are hard to come by when your a Browns fan.
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I hope the Browns sue Joe for a filing a frivolous lawsuit. Joe just lost every ounce of the respect I had for him. 
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Not only can he rebound and defend, he can run a sterilizer too? Wow, multi-talented guy.
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I hope the Browns sue Joe for a filing a frivolous lawsuit. Joe just lost every ounce of the respect I had for him.
Why? You don't think he has a case? If what the article says is true, the Browns are going to get hit with several more lawsuits.
Do you think it is fare that a guy gets injured then allegedly contracts staph from the facility and then while they are at cut the guy?
Talk about kicking a guy when they're down.
Good for Joe. Lerner might want to get off of his soccer kick and bring his ass back to Cleveland and pay attention to his football team.
Don't take this the wrong way, but let's see how it pans out. JJ put a hard 3 years as a Brown playing for a pretty pathetic team because he loves Cleveland fans, the least we owe him is a little respect.
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I doubt everything about the article is true. I doubt the Browns care so little about their MULTI MILLION dollar players that they don't try to clean as much as possible to keep everyone happy. And, I have no doubt that JJ has lost my respect. I got staph once and was out of work for a month. Maybe I should have sued my employer. Really, it's pretty much like blaming them for picking up the common cold. Sad, but true.
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And, I have no doubt that JJ has lost my respect.
It's amazing, but seemingly good guys, respectful guys, stand up guys, good character guys, "do the right thing" guys ... can't even get the benefit of the doubt around here. Someone earlier said it best ... dawgtalkers ... judge, jury, and executioners.
All it takes is a headline to "flip the switch" on someone. If we really were all a family around here ... goodness gracious ... I'd be afraid to ever make a mistake ... or grab a headline ... or do something someone around here doesn't agree with.
So a question to the educated around here ... so if staph is as common as the cold ... is it possible that there would be places that would be more susceptible to getting it? Do things like cleanliness and hygiene factor into this at all? If you go visit a family that overeats, smokes, drinks, and doesn't shower, are the folks within the walls of that household more susceptible to getting sick - getting the common cold - than a family that's in shape, eats well, and bathes regularly? It's a serious question, and one I do not know the answer to. Are there certain conditions that can make getting staph more susceptible than others?
The only thing I know for sure is that the Browns staph problems made the headlines at ESPN on more than one occassion. I do not recall that of any other team, and I am on the website every day. If it's as big a problem with other teams as it is the Browns, how can this be explained?
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Maybe my comment that it's a common as a cold isn't quite true, but it is VERY common. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/staph-infections/ds00973With up to 30% of us carrying the germs around every day, all we have to do is get a cut on our finger, touch our mouth or nose, and BAM!, staph infection. Touch a doorknob, same thing. Grocery cart handle, ditto. It's THAT easy to get. It has to find a way IN to the body...and that's usually through broken skin.
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Not only can he rebound and defend, he can run a sterilizer too? Wow, multi-talented guy.
he's also TERRIBLE in the tribe pen.
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Maybe JJ could sue the Browns for fraud? Given the 10 year record, masquerading as a professional football team should be a slam dunk. 
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I wonder what the fan reaction to this would be if it was Kellen Winslow suing the Browns. Or LeCharles Bentley. Or Braylon Edwards.
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I wonder when millionaires will start washing their hands more often
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So a question to the educated around here ... so if staph is as common as the cold ... is it possible that there would be places that would be more susceptible to getting it? Do things like cleanliness and hygiene factor into this at all?
If you read the article I linked to and then Jules posted in it's entirety in a post you would find the answers. And those same answers have been posted on multiple occasions on this board in previous staph discussions.
People scan and read bits and pieces of these threads and then slam others for making an informed and educated post on the topic and that's horsehockey......
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I wonder what the fan reaction to this would be if it was Kellen Winslow suing the Browns. Or LeCharles Bentley. Or Braylon Edwards.
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Well, I doubt very much that JJ can prove that he caught staph from the Brown's facility. He may be able to prove, as the suit states, that the organization was untruthful and negligent in their care, cleaning of equipment and disclosure of risks. That is an important distinction.
He has every right to protect himself and correct what he perceives as wrongful treatment by his former employer, and I applaud him for doing so. i don't think he's torching the whole organization to the ground. Maybe some of the personnel house cleaning done in Berea with the new regime will have eliminated this alleged negligent behavior.
Also, I got a staph infection about a month ago in my left hand. I work in a restaurant kitchen and barely scraped my hand below the first knuckle of my index finger on some shelving. Just took off the first layer of skin, no bleeding. About a week later the knuckle was red and tender, the next day the whole finger was swollen and I couldn't bend it. I had it incised and cultured and luckily it responded to the appropriate antibiotics. I was more than a little worried about MRSA though.
I am a Type I diatbetic and am very aware of proper wound care and cleaning. In a communal environment where lots of cuts and abrasions are common (like a locker room, or a commercial kitchen), it just doesn't take much to get staph infection even if you take precautions.
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People scan and read bits and pieces of these threads and then slam others for making an informed and educated post on the topic and that's horsehockey......
There were two posts made by DM in this thread and neither one of them were informed or educated. Just slams at JJ. Go take your self-righteousness somewhere else.
And the article that was linked to by DM has led me to the following conclusions: JJ was non-hygenic, he liked to expose his sores without wearing bandages, shared his razor with Kellen and LeCharles, and didn't change his tampon often enough. None of which explains how the staph got there in the first place btw - which is the answer I'm after. The literature only explains that it's already out there.
Here's an excerpt from the Causes section of the literature DM posted:
"Many people carry staph bacteria and never develop staph infections. If you have a staph infection, there's a good chance that it stemmed from bacteria you've been carrying around for some time. "
Judging from people's reaction around here, staph is just something you have to deal with. It's out there, never mind how it got there in the first place. So no one should be upset when they get it. However, this excerpt uses the term "Many", not all. So how does it start? If I go over to someone's house where staph is prevalent, and I open their door, will I now be a carrier of staph? Can that door ever be cleaned to the point where the handle is staph free?
The literature referenced by DM is downstream from the answer I am looking for. And no, I'm not going to any other threads and seeing if my answer is there.
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j/c...
I wonder how the fact that he contracted the infection when he was on the west coast will come into play with this.
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Just clicking. What really kills me about this whole thing is... How many of you go to a gym? OK probably a good amount of people. I have never used a piece of equipment and not wiped it off BEFORE AND AFTER I am done using it. Maybe these body concious players should take their own saftey into account and wipe off their own equipment BEFORE AND AFTER they are done. Even if it may not do any more against the "specific strain of staph". Even if some underpaid towelboy is suppossed to be doing it. Use some common sense for Pete's sake. And as for sueing the Brown's. Joe.... come on man. I will miss you. But the organization is not your real beef. It seems you are trying to get revenge on a new "staff". The one that did not have you in it's plan unless you took a paycut. So much for your love of Cleveland hey Joe? Shouldn't you have been looking to get on somewhere else if you did not want to retire? Instead you are going to waste time trying to squezze blood from a turnip. Good luck.
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There were two posts made by DM in this thread and neither one of them were informed or educated. Just slams at JJ. Go take your self-righteousness somewhere else.
Where would you like me to take it???
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And that's where I quit reading. You make these false assumptions and then when the info is there to peruse you wish to comment in an inane manner such as this.
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What really kills me about this whole thing is... How many of you go to a gym?
OK probably a good amount of people.
I have never used a piece of equipment and not wiped it off BEFORE AND AFTER I am done using it.
Maybe these body concious players should take their own saftey into account and wipe off their own equipment BEFORE AND AFTER they are done.
Even if it may not do any more against the "specific strain of staph".
Even if some underpaid towelboy is suppossed to be doing it.
Use some common sense for Pete's sake.
Absolutely!
It's irritating to go to the gym and see people use a machine and then walk away without wiping it down, even though there are signs and towels and bottles of spray everywhere. But, as I stated earlier, you have to take precautions yourself where you can.....keeping wounds covered and being careful with sharing equipment and whirlpools. 
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Was J.J. using the whirlpool with an open wound/ surgical wound?
If that's the case, than the Browns don't have anything to do with it. You don't use a community bath tub with an open wound, that's just stupid.
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I just wanted to add my .02 cents in on the suing a employer for a infection.
I know Workers Comp is a different deal by some of the legalise may apply.
A few years ago I bashed my shin open at work while helping to pull a pump drive motor out for rebuild. Not that big of a deal,cleaned it up,wrapped it up. Wasnt bad enough to go to the hospital or anything but I did fill out a accident report. A weel or so later I go in the hospital with a staph type of infection that started where the gash was. I told the hospital it was work related and should be files as Workers Comp. They told me that an employer can not be held resposible for an infection because it is impossible to tell exactly where and infection started from.
I kind of think this applies to JJ in this case.
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That's funny. I was thinking the same thing.
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You make these false assumptions
Please post my false assumptions. Shall we revisit that reading comprehension thing? I'll give you a reading comprehension hint: play close attention to the punctuation at the end of sentences ... the ones with this - "?" - are an attempt to get answers ... assumptions end with periods notated with one of these - "." - and suggest statements implying certainty in what one is saying.
Did you get all that ... or should I try the paint by numbers version?
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play close attention to the punctuation at the end of sentences ... the ones with this - "?" - are an attempt to get answers ... assumptions end with periods notated with one of these - "." - and suggest statements implying certainty in what one is saying.
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The problem is the newer strains do not respond to the antibodies that you have in your system naturally or artificially.
Just a little problem with the statement. There's no such thing as unnatural antibody. Antibiotics aren't antibodies as they were originally made by fungi, which has no immune system. Antibiotics are just chemicals based off of a natural origin, that doesn't make them antibodies.
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Really, it's pretty much like blaming them for picking up the common cold. Sad, but true.
I know you qualified your statement a little bit DM, but this is a poor example none-the-less for two reasons.The first being that there's a huge difference between catching a cold from a coworker, and contracting staph. A cold won't keep you from work. A cold can't potentially ruin your livelihood. I don't think anyone here will argue the fact that getting a staph infection in your knee is career-threatening for any position in football.
The second reason is that he had surgery on his knee, and then developed a staph infection in that same knee. So, if he can prove that the staph infection occurred a significant amount of time after the surgery, he's at least part of the way there in proving that the infection came from his rehab, where ever that may have been. And yes, he'll have to show that he was taking proper care of his wound too.
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I'm so saving that quote!
Why? Am I I missing something here that is noteworthy? i said science will find a solution for the antibiotic resistant staph and that then it will mitate again and it will all start over. Why savw that?
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Just a little problem with the statement. There's no such thing as unnatural antibody. Antibiotics aren't antibodies as they were originally made by fungi, which has no immune system. Antibiotics are just chemicals based off of a natural origin, that doesn't make them antibodies.
Shows how much I know, I thought a anitbodie was the infection fighting chemicals that occured naturally in your body and antibiotic was the ones created by science to be used.
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The second reason is that he had surgery on his knee, and then developed a staph infection in that same knee. So, if he can prove that the staph infection occurred a significant amount of time after the surgery, he's at least part of the way there in proving that the infection came from his rehab, where ever that may have been. And yes, he'll have to show that he was taking proper care of his wound too.
You still don't get it do you  JJ can not prove he got it in the clinic nor in Berea. He could have picked it up at the gas station, grocery store, at a restaurant, in church, at home, at the movies, at the mall, he could have shaken ANYBODY'S hand then touched the wound without washing his hands. He could have touch ANYTHING with his hands then had his knee touch the same object. There is just no way in hell to detrmine just exactly where or when he got the staph infection.
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I question whether or not it's wise to even participate in this thread, but; here goes anyway.....
This is a civil suit, not criminal. Most likely JJ will only have to prove that the Browns didn't maintain the "accepted standards". If he can prove that one guy in the Browns chain wasn't properly sanitizing, cleaning, or just not correctly logging the above he will have a legit case and the upper hand.
He absolutely doesn't have to prove that the Browns infected him. The standards of a civil action are much easier than a criminal trial.
Whether or not fans deem that a fair process, it is how the courts work.
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He can't simply sue the Browns for having unsanitary facilities. FRCP requires suit to be brought in the name of a "real pary in interest". He would have to have been affected by the unsanitary facility in a direct way, meaning he would have to prove 1) that the Browns facilities were unsanitary, and 2) that the unsanitary facilities led to his contracting MRSA (because this is the only way he would be a "real party in interest").
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He would have to have been affected by the unsanitary facility in a direct way, meaning he would have to prove 1) that the Browns facilities were unsanitary, and 2) that the unsanitary facilities led to his contracting MRSA (because this is the only way he would be a "real party in interest").
He would have a very hard time convincing *most* people that the Browns are at fault for his staph infection.
That would have been like Edwards blaming the Browns for his.
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The second reason is that he had surgery on his knee, and then developed a staph infection in that same knee. So, if he can prove that the staph infection occurred a significant amount of time after the surgery, he's at least part of the way there in proving that the infection came from his rehab, where ever that may have been. And yes, he'll have to show that he was taking proper care of his wound too.
You still don't get it do you JJ can not prove he got it in the clinic nor in Berea. He could have picked it up at the gas station, grocery store, at a restaurant, in church, at home, at the movies, at the mall, he could have shaken ANYBODY'S hand then touched the wound without washing his hands. He could have touch ANYTHING with his hands then had his knee touch the same object. There is just no way in hell to detrmine just exactly where or when he got the staph infection.
Sure he can prove that he didn't get it at the clinic, I stated how he could do so. A staph infection doesn't creep up on you, its not there one day and then there the next.
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i'm late to the party here....so sorry if u guys already talked about this or i'm way off base.
But i really thought this was more about him getting cut on unjust basis then the staphinfection. Sure u can't just blame the browns. I mean all they can do is impliment a policy that stuff needs to be cleaned. Then someone who they hired actaully has to do it. what if he didn't do it? also if JJ knew it wasn't cleaned why did he use it? etc etc etc...
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I am also late and haven't read many of the responses.....my 2 cents..... this might end working out for the best for the Browns. KW2's negative press towards this problem made it seem like Cleveland was worse than other places. I think it will be tough for JJ to prove the Browns were negligent therefore if the Browns win the case it will seem like they have proved they have a safe facility. It will also, no doubt, make Cleveland officials try even harder to clean facilities.
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Sure he can prove that he didn't get it at the clinic, I stated how he could do so. A staph infection doesn't creep up on you, its not there one day and then there the next.
You might want to re-word that before I reply bud.
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Smoke? What smoke?
Don't you know? Germs are all over us - our hands, our mouths, everywhere. That's why there's no point in food service workers washing their hands or making sure the dishwasher is running hot enough to sterilize.
Staph is everywhere so expecting doctors, nurses, trainers, and the rest to follow standard procedures to limit the danger is pointless. And if there's an out break it's no one's fault.
Just like if twenty people leave a Taco Bell with violent food poisoning it doesn't indicate anything.
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You say that like it would be a bad thing. 
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