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I have seen that...I just don't understand why it is still a issue....

again....shrug

I really am pretty neutral over the deal..I was pretty much done with the idea until I ran across the posted article.

I understand how some soldier could just be a nut and make these claims. The fact the Army did what they did has me scratching my head.

That isn't the first time I've seen the copy of the certificate,, It's been available since the subject first came during the campaign but for some folks, it just doesn't matter. They've decided that he wasn't born a US citizen and it appears that no matter what is shown, they continue to believe as they do.

I agree that could be the case.

But....my experience is frivolous claims are easily dispelled and go away for good...they don't keep popping up.

I am sure you have found that to be true as well.


I will bow out at that unless something else develops...I am sure it will all work out.

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But....my experience is frivolous claims are easily dispelled and go away for good...they don't keep popping up.

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Sadly, that should be the case… But I disagree that it is… We are surrounded by way to many lazy people these days that instead of seeking out the facts and answers (often easy to find) simply choose to listen, believe and repeat the ramblings of talking heads and there respective agendas…

There are people that truly believe that over the last 2 years of campaigning, that no one ever verified his birth certificate? Or that if it was faked, that no one ever came forward and spoke out about it?

Unless the McCain camp was complete morons, I think that was one of the first things they checked into.

I mean I don't care for Obama any more than anyone else here, but I'm pretty confident by this point that if he wasn't born on American soil, it would have been proven by now. But then this lends back to the argument on another thread about whether a child born on American soil to non-American parents should be considered American or not.

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But....my experience is frivolous claims are easily dispelled and go away for good...they don't keep popping up.

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Only to those with an open mind. I find that most that didn't like obama to begin with generally don't have open minds when it comes to him..(see Rush Limbaugh and his loyal followers as one such group) therefore, what I see as frivolous, they see as a reason to further distrust. Proving it to them won't mean a thing...

I'm pretty convinced that if Obama single handedly cured aids and Cancer, solved the worlds financial crisis and raised the dead, there would be that would not give him any credit because they just don't like the man or his politics.

So, while some frivolous claims do fade away, some linger in the hearts of those that won't accept what's in front of them..

This proves the theory,,,,,, You can't please everyone!

And that goes back to my original thought on this,,, I don't know why it's interesting...

Ya know… I hole-heartedly accept that people have different ideologies, beliefs and lifestyles. (Sometimes chosen sometimes not) And I always try to see common ground so that I…”WE” can peacefully coexist. But… The second I see this type of banter being lent credence by anyone… They loose all credibility with me. (Often to never regain it)

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why his detractors feel the need to cling to these crazy conspiracy theories that have been roundly disproven are beyond me.

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What makes you think it's his detractors? Ploys like this, like whether or not Bush was actually IN Alabama, who Bill Clinton had sex with... they are all WONDERFUL ploys and are continued in the mainstream by the very person they allegedly attack... In short, Obama has a vested interest in keeping this story alive, much like Clinton had a vested interest in keeping the story of who he was having sex with alive... Because it keeps people from focusing on the real issue. As long as Clinton had people talking about sex, fewer people were talking about perjury.... as long as Obama has people talking about his birth certificate, fewer people are talking about how fast he is destroying this country with initiatives that give incredible amounts of power to the government to run your life, how he's burying us in debt, how he has appointed 33 "czars" to run various things from the auto industry to healthcare to the environment (Czars being people who don't have to be vetted and/or approved by congress and have as much power as Obama wants to give them) and how the "Green Movement" has become the new official state sponsored religion of the United States..... I don't care if he was born in Hawaii before or after it became a state or if he was born in Japan or Germany or freakin' South Alabama, the guy will be recognized as a complete and utter failure before the year 2010 is over... and all but the extreme hardcore left will have figured it out by then... unfortunately by then, it might be too late.

It really makes no difference “who” or “why”. Whether you’re the person this type of banter is directly about, the media or Joe Shmo on the street. When you publicly (or privately) stake claim and facilitate it…You have no credibility…

Birth Certificate:

http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg

Marriage Certificate:

http://www.politifact.com/media/files/obamamarriage.jpg

Driving Record:

http://www.politifact.com/media/files/obamadriving.jpg

This all comes from this website:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

PolitiFact is a project of the St. Petersburg Times to help you find the truth in American politics.

What makes me laugh is that the people who poo-poo anything negative about Obama and pigeon hole anybody who is a detractor of his as nutcases are the very same people who believed and shouted about any crazy conspiracy theory involving the Bush administration.

I knew it was going to be amusing when the shoe was on the other foot, but some people have taken hypocritical to a whole new level.

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I knew it was going to be amusing when the shoe was on the other foot, but some people have taken hypocritical to a whole new level.

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hehe... maybe, maybe not. Kind of hard to quantify 'hypocrisy,' don'tcha think?

I mean, either you are, or you aren't a hypocrite. It's kind of like being more or less pregnant than your neighbor.

But you are right to be amused... crazy is crazy, and neither side owns a monopoly on that.

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Sounds like they not only booted him out but also pressured his civilian employer to fire him. Georgia judge dropped the case today saying it was a Florida matter. This is getting more interesting.

"It's basically dismissed in Georgia. He advised us to have it refiled in Florida, because now he's not being deployed from Ft. Benning, he's not a resident of the state. He's a resident of Florida, his employer is in Florida. The judge wants us to refile the case where he feels the case's jurisdiction is proper," she said.

"Now we are re-doing the case. Now it's not about the order to deploy but fighting retaliation he experienced on the part of the military. His employer stated he was under enormous pressure to fire him," she continued.

"We will be refiling the case in Florida."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104208

All those with "OPEN" minds should listen to this radio interview by former State Representative of Az, J.D. Hayworth:

web page

Some very interesting factoids uncovered regarding the messiahs Social Security number(s) and addresses around the US associated with his name.

Anyone can photoshop an image and post it on the internet...an image of a birth certificate is no more real than a photoshopped movie of Barak and McCain break dancing.

Barak or Barry ?... Whats his real first name ??

From all I've seen Barack was his birth name and Barry was the name he took on in his early youth?

I was willing to listen with an open mind but when people talk and don't say anything I, like most, shut them out. After listening to part 1 of the Orly Taitz interview I found that (as she often put it) "what is interesting" is that she offered not even a hint of suggestion of where she thought Obama was born. Thus I didn't consider part 2 to be worth my time.

His place of birth is clearly the heart of the matter and I would be just as open minded to their evidence of foreign birth as I would on what has already been provided on Obama's behalf. Has Taitz or anybody else even suggested what foreign country they believe was Obama's birthplace? Logically that is where to continue any search that Obama is a non-U.S. citizen.

Everything I've seen and heard points to him being born in Hawaii.

To be fair, I don't care if he was born in Iran. I think it's a dumb rule.

With that said, he's been a failed president thus far either way...

Just some follow-up

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/778482.html



hursday, Jul. 16, 2009
Retired general, lieutenant colonel join reservist’s lawsuit over Obama's birth status
General, lieutenant colonel join suit similar to 2 already thrown out
By Lily Gordon - lgordon@ledger-enquirer.com




A controversial suit brought by a U.S. Army reservist has been joined by a retired Army two-star general and an active reserve Air Force lieutenant colonel.

Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook filed the suit July 8 in federal court here asking for conscientious objector status and a preliminary injunction based upon his belief that President Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as president of the United States and commander-in-chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.

However, before the issue got to court, Cook’s orders to deploy to Afghanistan were revoked. Lt. Col. Maria Quon, a public affairs officer with the U.S. Army Human Resources Command-St. Louis, said Tuesday that Cook was no longer expected to report Wednesday to MacDill Air Force Base in Florida for mobilization to active duty. Cook, who claims he is now the victim of retaliation due to his suit, received his mobilization orders to report for active duty at MacDill on Wednesday. From there, he was to go to Fort Benning on Saturday for deployment to Afghanistan.


Cook is an Individual Mobilization Augmentee. This means he’s a reserve soldier assigned to an active component unit consisting of active duty soldiers instead of a reserve unit, which is composed entirely of reserve soldiers. He is assigned to the U.S. Army Element of U.S. Southern Command.

Last week, Cook filed a request in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order and status as a conscientious objector represented by California attorney Orly Taitz.

The government, in its response to the suit, claims that Cook’s suit is “moot” in that he already has been told he doesn’t have to go to Afghanistan, so the relief he is seeking has been granted.

“The Commanding General of SOCCENT (U.S. Special Operations Central Command) has determined that he does not want the services of Major Cook, and has revoked his deployment orders,” the response states.

In a pleading revised after the revocation of Cook’s orders, Taitz argues that the application for preliminary injunction is not moot and that retired Maj. Gen. Carol Dean Childers and active U.S. Air Force reservist Lt. Col. David Earl Graeff have joined the suit “because it is a matter of unparalleled public interest and importance and because it is clearly a matter arising from issues of a recurring nature that will escape review unless the Court exercises its discretionary jurisdiction.”

Cook’s resubmitted Application for Preliminary Injunction is meant to encompass the possibility of Cook receiving future orders for deployment as well as to address and prevent “negative collateral consequences such as retaliation against Major Stefan Frederick Cook ...”

As to the retaliation issue, the revised suit states Cook lost his job at Simtech Inc., a corporation that does Department of Defense contracting in the field of information technology/systems integration, because of the suit. It also states that Cook has been subjected to “gossip” from people who believed Cook was “manipulating his deployment orders to create a platform for political purposes.”

Taitz, who has challenged the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency in other courts, filed the original suit with the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia. Two similar suits have previously been thrown out of federal court.

In the filing, Cook states he “would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President’s command. … simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties.”

A hearing to discuss Cook’s requests is scheduled to take place in federal court here this morning at 9:30 a.m.

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Two similar suits have previously been thrown out of federal court.

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This pretty much sums up all that needs to be said about this whole matter.