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Tool Roethlisberger listed as defendant in NV lawsuit Associated Press add this RSS blog email print Updated: July 21, 2009, 10:14 AM EDT RENO, Nev. (AP) - Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has been accused of sexual assault in a civil lawsuit, his lawyer said, denying the claim. The lawsuit was filed Friday in Washoe County District Court accusing Roethlisberger of assaulting a woman in July 2008. Roethlisberger is one of nine defendants listed in the online court docket report. Further details of the lawsuit were not available Tuesday morning. "Ben has never sexually assaulted anyone ... The timing of the lawsuit and the absence of a criminal complaint and a criminal investigation are the most compelling evidence of the absence of any criminal conduct. If an investigation is commenced, Ben will cooperate fully and Ben will be fully exonerated," David Cornwell, Roethlisberger's lawyer, said in a statement released early Tuesday. A phone message and e-mail from the AP to Cornwell were not returned. Attorney Calvin R. Dunlap, of Reno, filed the lawsuit, according to court documents. A telephone message left for him was not returned. Steelers spokesman Dave Lockett said Tuesday the team is aware of the lawsuit, and "we are gathering information."
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Hate to defend him, but it sounds to me like some girl is Fishing for Dollars.
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According to what I read, it was a rape and not an assault.
Allegedly.
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ben's never raped anyone with the exception of the browns twice a year.
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According to what I read, it was a rape and not an assault.
Allegedly.
By 9 guys? We have very little information but this is starting out very much like the Duke Lacross case.
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I'm not going to comment on this particular incident, as I have no clue regarding his innocence or guilt. But I will say this. Ben is well known throughout the league for being less than an angel. In fact, few players are better known for partying.
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Why does this not feel right to me? I mean, if the girl was assulted, why didn't she file a police report and why was there no criminal investigation into the matter shortly after it occured? Nine guys being named in this action kinda begs the question, was she a paid performer and things got out of hand maybe? But again, why no criminal investigation? If she was a paid performer, the kind I have in mind anyway, it's legal in Nv.(or most of it) so why not file charges right after it happened? I think Purp is right, she appears to be fishing for bucks.. As for Ben not being a Choir boy,, I never heard that before. I heard he has problems driving a motorcycle however  (is that smack?)
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i've heard ben is quite the partier, but there is a big difference between partying too much and these allegations.
i would put money against it. i doubted the entire kobe thing from the start. most of these guys don't need to force themselves upon a girl, when there are hundreds lined up who'd be willing.
i know that it's not always that way, but majority it is.
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most of these guys don't need to force themselves upon a girl, when there are hundreds lined up who'd be willing.
While this is true, it also means that these guys aren't used to being told "no" ....
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albeit if you are or are NOT a BEN fan because he is a steeler or whatever we have to keep in mind this is a HUMAN with a reputation and all of this is alleged.. IMHO.. this smells fishy and im not buying it at all... but this is the thing that will damage a person and is a very serious accusation to levy on someone even if I feel its for money or whatever the case may be .. im just not going to blast or defend him until the courts work this out...
and other reports has her as an employee of a casino and some of the co-workers are the defendants:
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most of these guys don't need to force themselves upon a girl, when there are hundreds lined up who'd be willing.
While this is true, it also means that these guys aren't used to being told "no" ....
absolutely. it's not out of the realm of possibility, but i'd bet against this being what they're trying to make it look like.
i'm not trying to back big ben or anything, but he seems like a straight shooter to me.
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There is some ignorance being tossed around here regarding rape. Guys being able to get some at will has very little to do with men who do it.
That being said. Two things I hate....men who do things like this and women who lie about it being done to them.
Obviously, there is still more that needs to be seen about his before drawing a conclusion, but lack of a criminal complaint is usually rather telling.
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i hate to be the one to say this.. but i'll be that person...
1) If it were Braylon Edwards (knock on wood).. A lot of you would be bashing right away...
2) I'll wait for more details to comment on this incident.. Need more details.. Need more facts...
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i am not a big braylon fan, but i would handle this the same way i am now, i'd have serious doubts.
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If it were Braylon Edwards (knock on wood).. A lot of you would be bashing right away...
Complete and utter bullcrap.
That would be like us saying Braylon could be charged with murder and be standing right over the guy with the gun that shot him and you'd still be hanging on his jock. 
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There is some ignorance being tossed around here regarding rape. Guys being able to get some at will has very little to do with men who do it.
There is no ignorance on my part.. (if I'm the one you were talking about)..... on one hand you have consensual sex, on the other hand you have forced rape... in the middle you have a big gray area....
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There is no ignorance on my part.. (if I'm the one you were talking about)..... on one hand you have consensual sex, on the other hand you have forced rape... in the middle you have a big gray area....
I'm not sure you would call it a "big" gray area....there are cases that fall into it, but I think factually that is rather rare.
I think where there is a big gray area, are the numerous situations where it turns into he-said/she-said.....factually the case was probably cut and dried, it's just that there's no way for a court to prove it either way.
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I've always thought that NO meant NO.. so I guess I can't grasp the grey area thinking at all. I've also always believed that when a woman says nothing, it doesn't automatically mean Yes either. Reading your partner is important. Yes means yes... Yes Yes Yes Yes means I'm doing something right
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I assume that's where a gray area could come from...but, like I said above, I think that would be very rare.
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I've always thought that NO meant NO.. so I guess I can't grasp the grey area thinking at all.
I've also always believed that when a woman says nothing, it doesn't automatically mean Yes either. Reading your partner is important.
Yes, reading is important, which is where the gray area lies.. when all of the signals you are reading say yes but the words say, "I shouldn't" or something ambiguous, there is a gray area... What happens when you are 2 minutes into sex (or as I call it, half done...  ) and that "I shouldn't" turns into a more emphatic no? Did she really mean no the first time as you were undressing each other and she said "I shouldn't"?
I agree with you that some "no's" are unambiguous.. others are more ambiguous... I'm sorry but some girls just like to be coy, they think it's cute I guess, maybe they think it's making them look less easy as they sleep with you an hour after they met you if they put up some token resistance... I don't know, each case, each person is different....
But if you think there is no gray area, then you are naive.
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I'll accept that I may well be naive.. First, I've been married and therefore off the market for over 23 years. Secondly, I've never been unable to control my hormones from getting the better of me and thirdly, when I say that "I" don't see the gray area, keep in mind,, I'm speaking only for myself..
And I think that comes from how I've dealt with this in my younger years..
So, for me anyway, there really isn't a gray area.. I've always walked away before risking being wrong. hell, the risk that some woman is going to cry rape isn't worth the pleasure you receive so yeah, I've probably been overly cautious.
So if that's being Naive, I'll accept that label....
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So, who's to say he had sex with her? Did I miss it?
Also, who's to say it wasn't consensual, IF it happened, and who's to say the girl/lady involved didn't do the "wow, he's famous and rich - I bet if I sue, I could get millions" kind of thing.
From what I've seen here - no one knows anything yet.
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From what I've seen here - no one knows anything yet.
That pretty much sums it up.. but it's still fun to speculate.
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There could be a lot of things to muddy the waters here. I'm just going to wait and see.
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I'm not saying he did it, but IMO the girl needs to be given the benefit of the doubt also. Maybe she's not lying. Maybe she didn't file a criminal complaint BECAUSE of who he is. Maybe she felt she has a better chance of an out of court settlement stemming from a civil suit. Who knows.
But all those sticking up for Ben, should be applying the same rules to her. Just because he's rich doesn't mean she's a gold digger. Judging her before the facts are given is as bad as judging him.
Also, Daman, it is common knowledge around Pittsburgh of Ben's personality. He is arrogant and acts as if he is special. And he is also known to take over places with his "posse".
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Why any more so than him?
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it is common knowledge around Pittsburgh of Ben's personality. He is arrogant and acts as if he is special. And he is also known to take over places with his "posse".
Sounds like a self-absorbed punk... and yeah I'd say that if he were a Brown.
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I didn't mean more than him, I mean the same. His lawyer makes a statement about no criminal case to raise doubts about her. That's a common ploy. He is planting the seed of doubt with the public, just as she planted the seed of guilt.
My point is that ever since the Kobe Bryant case, any girl that makes a claim against a pro athelete is automatically accused of being a money grubber. I believe many times cases aren't brought up due to fear of what an expensive lawyer with connections can due to somebodies reputation, even if the person is telling the truth in the first place. I wouldn't doubt that things happen that never get brought up due to fear. Having money does give you power over those who don't. It ain't right, but it is true.
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I'll be fair on this just like I was in the discussion about Michael Jackson. People would be better off not jumping to accusations. It would be foolish to start jumping to conclusions about money right now. However I noticed ESPN has not talked about this at ALL.
IF Ben did rape the poor women then I shall view him just like I do every scum bag that does this.
IF Ben did NOT rape the women then I feel sorry for Ben and the accuser should suffer serious reprucussions for what she did.
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I've always thought that NO meant NO.. so I guess I can't grasp the grey area thinking at all.
I've also always believed that when a woman says nothing, it doesn't automatically mean Yes either. Reading your partner is important.
Yes, reading is important, which is where the gray area lies.. when all of the signals you are reading say yes but the words say, "I shouldn't" or something ambiguous, there is a gray area... What happens when you are 2 minutes into sex (or as I call it, half done... ) and that "I shouldn't" turns into a more emphatic no? Did she really mean no the first time as you were undressing each other and she said "I shouldn't"?
I agree with you that some "no's" are unambiguous.. others are more ambiguous... I'm sorry but some girls just like to be coy, they think it's cute I guess, maybe they think it's making them look less easy as they sleep with you an hour after they met you if they put up some token resistance... I don't know, each case, each person is different....
But if you think there is no gray area, then you are naive.
In the eyes of the law this is wholly untrue. Lack of a "no" is never interpreted to be a consent, and if she gives consent but later revokes it, then the man must stop immediately.
As with most, I'll wait until more facts are available.
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j/c,..At least it's not a Cleveland Brown. I hope Ben comes out of this with a clean slate so Wimbley (or take your pick) can knock his block off.
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According to what I read, it was a rape and not an assault.
Allegedly.
By 9 guys? We have very little information but this is starting out very much like the Duke Lacross case.
Didn't say she was raped by 9 guys, just Roethlisberger.
It looks like the 9 guys have to do with hotel staff covering it up because the president of Harrah's has a man crush on Ben.
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Posted by Sheil Kapadia on July 21, 2009 7:05 PM ET
We've previously addressed the crux of the claims made by Andrea McNulty against Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.
But there's a separate aspect to this case that Florio didn't have time to get to on Tuesday as he was talking to pretty much every radio station in the country and appearing on Keith Olbermann's favorite cable news network.
The rest of the complaint details an alleged coverup by McNulty's co-workers and superiors at Harrah's Lake Tahoe, along with the physical and emotional distress McNulty experienced after the alleged incident.
The most pointed accusations by McNulty are directed at Guy Hyder, Chief of Security at Harrah's Lake Tahoe, and John Koster, Harrah's Northern Nevada President.
Harrah's Entertainment Inc., is not named as a defendant in the suit.
The complaint states that Koster's valued friendship with Roethlisberger was something he often boasted of and that Hyder, when told of the alleged assault by McNulty, said that McNulty was overreacting.
Hyder also allegedly said "most girls would feel lucky to get to have sex with someone like Ben Roethlisberger" that "Koster would love you even more if he knew about this" and that "Koster would suck his ---- if Roethlisberger let him."
Last August, soon after the alleged assault, a co-worker warned McNulty that if she ever let on to knowing Roethlisberger, Koster would "personally fire you for starting rumors about Roethlisberger's personal life."
The complaint states that, because "Harrah's and its personnel, particularly Hyder and Koster would side with and support Roethlisberger" she did not go to the police and attempted to deal with the situation on her own. In late September, early October and again in November, McNulty was hospitalized for depression, anxiety, and post-traumatic stress disorder. She had lost 30 pounds.
The complaint says that, in the fall of 2008, Hyder "entered into contact with Plaintiff's parents, stating falsely that the reason for Plaintiff's breakdown was the cessation of a Plaintiff's e-mail correspondence with a young man and omitting all reference to and concealing the sexual assault that had taken place on July 11, 2008."
This aligns with TMZ report from earlier in the day, which cited a source who claimed that McNulty had an e-mail relationship with what she believed was a U.S. soldier stationed in Iraq but that the "soldier" was actually the wife of a man with whom McNulty allegedly had a relationship. The TMZ report claims that McNulty was distraught when those e-mails ceased, and that she told others that the soldier had been killed in action.
According to the complaint, Hyder convinced McNulty to give her a key to her home so that he could check on her during her convalesence but "entered her home and on information belief without her knowledge proceeded to examine and remove and alter the content of and the file or files and information on her work laptop computer and to remove her computer which was done without her knowledge and understanding and was done for the purpose of providing the information to Harrah's and for their own Defendants' purposes."
The claim also states that Harrah's Entertainment Inc. looked into McNulty's complaint in April of 2009 and performed interviews with a number of the defendants but that the resulting interviews were a collection of "character assassination." It's also alleged that requests for any surveillance tapes have been "ignored or denied."
Our messages left for Hyder and Koster have not been returned. A Harrah's spokesman, Jacqueline Peterson, said this afternoon that, "We don't have a comment and don't comment on pending legal matters."
She had no information on whether the defendants would be represented by Harrah's legal people or would be retaining their own attorneys.
McNulty's lawyer, Calvin Dunlap, also declined comment. When asked if there was any reason why not, he said, "Yeah, we try our cases in court, not in the media."
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IF he's guilty of anything, right? Just cause you and I hate him because of who he plays for doesn't mean he shouldn't get fair treatment under the law.
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Hate to defend him, but it sounds to me like some girl is Fishing for Dollars.
I agree....and you shouldn't feel hate in defending him. it doesn't matter who he plays for....right is right....on the flip side....if she is right, she should prevail.
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IF he's guilty of anything, right? Just cause you and I hate him because of who he plays for doesn't mean he shouldn't get fair treatment under the law.
Exactly.
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IF he's guilty of anything, right? Just cause you and I hate him because of who he plays for doesn't mean he shouldn't get fair treatment under the law.
I could be wrong, but I think he was joking. Kinda like how I said Goddell should ban him for life from the NFL
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I'm trying to see this from the POV of the lawyer that filed the suit.. if there were no merit to this or it was just a BS money grab.. would the lawyer risk his reputation here?
I know, I know.. lawyers will resort to anything.. just trying to sound it thru.. if this is a bona fide "good" lawyer, he must see something here no?
Hmm just musing I guess..
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