I appreciate the fact that you gave me the benefit of the doubt and did NOT ban me. Thanks for the PM and the heads up. I don't re-read threads, so I had no idea you were editing them. I haven't gone back through. Sorry guys.
Here's the clip of what I was talking about. This local Pittsburgh TV station brought in a public speaking expert who tried to read his body language. She basically said that he sounded sincere, and the way he shook his head when saying he would never force himself onto a woman made her think he was innocent.
I just found it slightly amusing that the city is doing this in trying to defend their man and make him look innocent (not saying he isn't).
Quote: I simply can't understand why women would be reluctant to come forward when things like this happen to them.
It is hard to understand if you haven't been there yourself. Fear is the main reason. You just want it to go away by blocking it out.
Absolutely. I never filed charges against the guy that date raped me (back in 1989, was my bf at the time). I just wanted to put it all behind me and forget about it. I was only 14 when it happened. Hell, my parents didn't even know about it until I was 26 and had already gone through years of therapy. (therapy not for this reason, but for bad marriage).
Oh Wow BrownsBabe thats awful....
I am sorry you had to deal with such an awful event in your life...Rape is one of the most sickening and disgusting things in my opinion.
My heart truly goes out to you, Not many people have the strength you do to overcome such a thing....
I really hope Ben didn't do what is purported here. Even though he is a Steeler, I really hope he didn't do this. All the facts are not out yet, so no one really knows for sure.
The only questions I have are:
IF and thats a big IF Ben is found "Liable for this girls rape" IE how O.J Simpson was found responsible for Nicole Simpson's death in his civil trial. What will the NFL do?
Will the NFL have the courage to bar the guy?
One must remember, Ray Lewis was NEVER found guilty of murder....as much as you dislike the guy, he was never found guilty or responsible for murder...
IF and this is a big IF the jury finds Ben responsible, will the NFL actually have the courage to bar him? ...Will they sacrifice a little bit of money to set an example that such behavior will not be tolerated under any circumstances?
I perosnally hope Mike Vick is NEVER allowed to play in this leagu again.
I am just asking a few questions for thought here, nothing more.
I do hope that Ben didn't do this though and is exonerated.
Interesting video. I honestly don't know how probative that is of whether or not he did it. I know at least that they wouldn't be able to do something like that at trial.
It's a tough spot for him to be in. He has the option to settle and make the whole thing go away, but then everyone will think he's liable. He also has the option to take it to trial, but even if he wins, it'll be a lot more time consuming and mentally taxing. At worst, he could take it to trial and lose, which would be horrific for him.
Regardless of what happens, you know fans, especially at the other AFCN stadiums are going to have a few choice words as he's running out the tunnel.
Rough times ahead for Big Ben. Deservedly so if he did it, but if not, that really sucks.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
Quote: Hate to defend him, but it sounds to me like some girl is Fishing for Dollars.
I agree....and you shouldn't feel hate in defending him. it doesn't matter who he plays for....right is right....on the flip side....if she is right, she should prevail.
She doesn't stand a chance because he plays in the NFL and he won 2 SBs. REALITY SUCKS!
Some women are afraid to report it. Some women are ashamed to report it.
Just because the woman didn't go to the police and file a criminal complaint doesn't mean it didn't happen. I was talking to someone the other day who told me she was raped for 9 years by 2 different people and never did anything about it.
It's sad.
These people are helpless, but are too scared or ashamed to do anything about it.
If you read the story, it says the woman did go to hotel security about it. That's where the whole suit against the 8 people from Harrah's comes into play. She said there was a conspiracy against her to keep Ben from getting into trouble because the president of Harrah's loved him. She said there were cameras outside the room, and security should have those. If those tapes are missing at the times she says it happens, then you know something is fishy.
From the story on the previous page:
Quote: The most pointed accusations by McNulty are directed at Guy Hyder, Chief of Security at Harrah's Lake Tahoe, and John Koster, Harrah's Northern Nevada President.
Harrah's Entertainment Inc., is not named as a defendant in the suit.
The complaint states that Koster's valued friendship with Roethlisberger was something he often boasted of and that Hyder, when told of the alleged assault by McNulty, said that McNulty was overreacting.
Hyder also allegedly said "most girls would feel lucky to get to have sex with someone like Ben Roethlisberger" that "Koster would love you even more if he knew about this...."
.....The claim also states that Harrah's Entertainment Inc. looked into McNulty's complaint in April of 2009 and performed interviews with a number of the defendants but that the resulting interviews were a collection of "character assassination." It's also alleged that requests for any surveillance tapes have been "ignored or denied."
I think if the woman truly was looking form something big, she would have went after Harrah's. Instead, she's going after the individuals. Harrah's pocketbook is a lot deeper than Ben's or any of the guys in this suit.
Maybe it's all part of the ploy. Regardless, this should get interesting.
I understand that some people - or even many - that get raped do not report it.
The biggest problem I see, and I'm not a lawyer, is: with no "facts" proving anything, this is a lady saying "he raped me" and a guy saying "we had consensual sex".
Now, in a court - when there is no other proof - how can he be found guilty? Yes, taking a situation like this to a jury is a risk for Ben - juries can decide odd things sometimes.
My bet is that this gets settled out of court - she'll get some money. The risk for Ben is too big - at this point.
Sad thing is, how many other lawsuits will be filed, of a similar nature, shortly after this happens, IF this is what happens. (other women accusing other "stars")
If it was rape, Ben should pay the piper, so to speak. If it wasn't, he shouldn't have to spend a dime.
I don't think her lawyer is going to bring it to the media. The lack of a criminal investigation does hurt because the ground work hasn't been laid. There was not criminal investigation and evidence gathering by the police.
But I'm sure the lawyer isn't going to just jump in with out a leg to stand on.
I don't think her lawyer is going to bring it to the media. The lack of a criminal investigation does hurt because the ground work hasn't been laid. There was not criminal investigation and evidence gathering by the police.
But I'm sure the lawyer isn't going to just jump in with out a leg to stand on.
You would think so.
Or maybe the lawyer si thinking "yeah, we can pressure him, get him to settle, and I'll get paid".
And again, I'm no lawyer, but if I had some sort of evidence or proof I'd strongly hint at what it was - publicly - to put more pressure on ben. If I had absolutely nothing other than her word vs. his word, I'd keep quiet about it and say "we won't try this in the media - we'll only speak in court", or something like that.
If that's what the lawyer is doing and it was ever even remotely uncovered, that lawyer would be in a load of hot water. If a lawyer ever takes a case (even in Vegas ) without any lawful basis to a claim, he could be sanctioned and disbarred among other things.
I'm not saying that Ben is liable. I'm just saying that the attorney could be in hot water if he brought a baseless claim, or maybe she's lying to her attorney and he doesn't know. At this point, none of us knows.
Also, at this point in the litigation, if there is anything that the alleged victim told her attorney relating to the case, not only IS he not telling the press about it, he CANNOT tell the press about it due to ethical rules.
There's also a few other factors. It would work out well for the alleged victim if Ben had been found guilty in a criminal case since the burden of proof in the civil case would be lower. On the other hand, Ben's also not going to be entitled to the same privileges as a defendant in a criminal trial.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
Roethlisberger's accuser reports threatening calls Associated Press add this RSS email print Updated: August 6, 2009, 3:47 PM EDT MINDEN, Nev. (AP) - The woman who has accused Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger of raping her at a Lake Tahoe hotel-casino where she worked told authorities she has received dozens of threatening and harassing phone calls.
In a police report filed with the Douglas County Sheriff's Department , the 31-year-old woman said she has received "well over 100" annoying messages since she filed a civil suit against the football star on July 17 in Washoe District Court in Reno.
Roethlisberger has called the allegations "reckless and false," and said he would fight them through the legal process.
The woman has not responded to messages and notes left at her home seeking comment. Her lawyer, Cal Dunlap, also has refused comment.
Sad thing is, how many other lawsuits will be filed, of a similar nature, shortly after this happens, IF this is what happens. (other women accusing other "stars")
Well, didn't take long. Now Pitino is accused of rape, from 2003. Wow. Took this lady 6 years to "get the courage" to file a suit. Yet again, no report of the supposed rape when it happened in 2003. Of course, she only filed rape charges -or claimed rape, after she tried to extort $10 million from pitino and he wouldn't pay. Interesting, isn't it?
What we have is sex, leading to pregnancy, leading to Pitino paying for an abortion. Rape? He said she said.
Watch for more stories of this nature in the near future.
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) without any lawful basis to a claim, he could be sanctioned and disbarred among other things.
