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Video Link ESPN AFC NORTH PreviewAfter watching this video does anybody notice anything absent?  
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Did the Browns move out of the North? Ahhhh screw em!!!! 
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Pitiful.
This team was 10-6 just two years ago, they at least deserve to be mentioned as existing.
The thing is, many will bring up the "earning respect" mantra, but in a preseason review of a division, leaving one team out is very disrespectful no matter how you look at it.
The Steelers beat Baltimore 3 times last year.
The Steelers beat Cincy twice.
The Steelers beat us twice.
Is Carson Palmer god? Their defense sucks and they have no running game. I don't get it.
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At least they didn't forget to write some copy about us.... Quote:
Cleveland Browns/Team training facility: Berea, Ohio
Campfires: The hottest training camp battle in the division is in Cleveland between quarterbacks Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson. This is the pair's third season together, but it's the first open competition between the two.
New Browns coach Eric Mangini has come in with no preconceived notions on either player in terms of draft status, who made it to the Pro Bowl, etc. So Quinn and Anderson legitimately have a clean slate this summer.
Quinn began offseason practices with a slight lead in this competition and probably didn't do anything to lose that advantage heading into training camp. But don't expect this battle to be decided until late in the preseason.
Camp will be a downer if ... neither quarterback emerges. The quarterback controversy between Anderson and Quinn has been a cloud hanging over the Browns for two seasons and the team needs to have a firm answer by the start of the regular season.
Mangini said he's going to be as diligent as possible in his evaluation, so when he does make a decision he plans to stick to it. The last thing a new coach needs is a divided locker room that doesn't know which leader to get behind for the regular season.
Camp will be a success if ... everyone buys into the system. There is some early skepticism with the Browns because many disagreed with the way Mangini came in and instantly changed the culture.
Contract watch: The pending contract situations of Browns kicker Phil Dawson and return specialist Joshua Cribbs remain unresolved.
Cribbs sat out a portion of offseason workouts but eventually returned. Dawson didn't show up until mandatory minicamp and didn't have much to say when he finally arrived. If there continues to be zero progress with either player, this may be something to keep an eye on this summer.
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What was written is not much different than saying nothing at all. Y'know -there is always one under-the-radar team that makes the playoffs. I can't think of a team any more under-the-radar than the Browns... Heck, the Browns are ranked 32nd in most Power Rankings simply because the writers realize the league has 32 teams after they have completed ranking 31 teams. I can see the discussions... Editor: "You know, Peter. I was looking over your recent power rankings and have a question: do you know that there are 32 teams in the league? You ranked just 31 teams." Peter King : "What do you mean? I double-checked it. I even had the barrista at my local Starbucks review it. There are 32 teams? Should I add the Boston Red Sox to the rankings? Y'know. They are really awesome." Editor: "Hmmm, sorry. That just won't do. We have too many writers for the MLB laying claim to pumping the Red Sox. You can't place the them into your NFL Power Rankings." Peter King : "I guess that counts out Colgate, too. Right?" Editor: "'Fraid so. Come on! There are 32 teams in the NFL. Think, man. Think!!!" Peter King : "Okay. Let me get another latte. A little caffeine jolt could help. You realize that I was traveling last night when I was putting together this list? You realize just how aggravating it was, don't you???" Editor: "Yes, Peter... I realize how aggravating the travel was. I read it in the column - if only every hotel was sure to include egg floaties for guests visiting the pool. Yea. I got that." Peter King : "Hmmm. I'll work on it. I just can't for the life of me think of that 32nd team. It's so much better when I just stick to the alliteration of the 'Fine Fifteen". Isn't that classy how that rolls off your lips? The Fffffine Fiffffteen. Oh well. 32 teams?? I might as well just name some team from a city we like to bash - how about Cleveland?" 
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I tried to watch the video with an open mind, but it was totally disrespectful to this organization (Browns) and I hope they surprise the AFC North this year.... 
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I tried to watch the video with an open mind, but it was totally disrespectful to this organization (Browns) and I hope they surprise the AFC North this year....
It's bad when there wasn't even a mention... not once did I even hear them name Cleveland.. it's like Cleveland is in its own division.. They mentioned the Bengals.. whom haven't had a winning season since.. 2005... we've at least had a winning season in 2007 and weren't that much below the Bengals in record last year.. The Bengals tie was the only thing seperating our records.. 
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The mentioned the Bengals.. whom haven't had a winning season since.. 2005...
They've only had ONE winning season since 1990. If anybody deserves a snub......
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Respect is earned because you worked for it, it's not given becuase you showed up. We dont deserve to be respected, we havent earned anything, thank God for Detroit & Oakland or we would have been the worst ran organization over the last decade. Until our FO changes that, we deserve nothing,
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Respect is earned because you worked for it, it's not given becuase you showed up. We dont deserve to be respected, we havent earned anything, thank God for Detroit & Oakland or we would have been the worst ran organization over the last decade. Until our FO changes that, we deserve nothing,
Respect is one thing.. but when you are doing a preview on a division, you include all the teams otherwise it's just a preview of the Steelers, Ravens, and Bengals.... This wasn't a preview of teams that will do good this year...
and since 1999 we have had more winning seasons than the Bengals have had.
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5 division games won in 4 years.
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IF Mangini was smart, he would use that video all throughout pre-season and the regular season. Telling the team, "This is how they think about you". And then I would not take any interviews from ESPN the entire season. Just to motivate the team and the city!!
But it will not happen.
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"Respect is earned because you worked for it, it's not given becuase you showed up. We dont deserve to be respected"
Sorry but you're wrong...they are ESPN a National Sports media outfit...the biggest outfit in fact.
They weren't covering Contenders in the AFC North...they were covering the AFC North and reviewed 3 out of the 4 teams.
Man does the media simply hate Mangini with a passion. Unbelieveable.
Even NFL Network again last night the new guy replacing Schefter...stated that Mangini has to straighten out the situation with a Disgruntled Rogers heading into training camp that Mangini snubbed 
They just don't have a clue about the Browns...just shameful journalism.
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Man does the media simply hate Mangini with a passion.
I haven't seen this "hate" you speak of. But if ESPN or anyone else for that matter does hate Mangini my guess would be he did something to deserve it. Broadcasters really have no vested interest in picking out a guy like Mangini and just ignoring him for no reason.
Looking at our past record for hiring coaches (both head and assistant) leads me to believe that some of them deserved every bad word spoken about them. Maybe the Mangenius isn't perfect, either.
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Sorry but you're wrong...they are ESPN a National Sports media outfit...the biggest outfit in fact.
LOL....you guys are incredible..... 
Maybe I am wrong, maybe you are, I guess it's just we look at it diffrently, being right isnt something I have to be,
My earlier responce wasnt a responce I wanted everybody to agree to or go bye, just becuase I say it dosent mean it's right or wrong, just means it my opinon.
And if the worst thing to happen in my life today was ESPN skipped over the Browns, well I guess it could be worse and I'd call that a pretty good day.
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Ya know what?
The reality is the Browns taking that huge dip last year made people/media have second thoughts about them being a viable team to cover so it goes to the extreme of not wanting to even discuss them..which is sad..but the only way to get noticed is to win...thats it..win..
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This captures everything I hate about ESPN sports coverage and anti-Brown bias. Not neglect as much as disrespectful. Previews are either A) for all fans, all organizations; or B) for a limited fan base, and only for a lesser number of fans (like Pukesborg). This is horrible and half-way journalism. Hope we win enough to force ccoverage out of the. They will need to hire some new people to do that. At this point in the season, everybody is undefeated. As a parasite living on the tuckus of the behemoth NFL cash cow, cater to every part of the beast now, ESPN, and nurture the game, especially the underdogs who represent story potential. Bashing those living in a house of pain shows incredibly bad judgment and callous myopia. But I always was a bit too reserved expressing meself. 
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Respect is earned because you worked for it, it's not given becuase you showed up. We dont deserve to be respected, we havent earned anything, thank God for Detroit & Oakland or we would have been the worst ran organization over the last decade. Until our FO changes that, we deserve nothing,
But.... I bet the Raiders & Lions are talked about when summing up the AFC West and NFC North.
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Who cares about the press and their opinions? It's wins that count and nothing else. Nothing else is a substitute for a winning season.
I had to listen to a Bengal fan last night explaining to me why they are going to be a Football Juggernaut this year. My response was we needed to see what they did during the season. This was not at all well-received. He'd been reading something about how Carson Palmer was back and ready to lead them to the promised land.
That's why they play the games in the regular season. Because sports writers have to be shown over and again what good football is really all about.
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This was my first thought... anybody check out the other divisions to see if they left out the teams expected to finish at the bottom?
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This was my first thought... anybody check out the other divisions to see if they left out the teams expected to finish at the bottom?
The NFC North one cut out the Lions I just noticed.
At the end of that video they say "and then there is .... the Lions." Then the video ends.
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Who cares about the press and their opinions? It's wins that count and nothing else. Nothing else is a substitute for a winning season.
I had to listen to a Bengal fan last night explaining to me why they are going to be a Football Juggernaut this year. My response was we needed to see what they did during the season. This was not at all well-received. He'd been reading something about how Carson Palmer was back and ready to lead them to the promised land.
That's why they play the games in the regular season. Because sports writers have to be shown over and again what good football is really all about.
If Carson Palmer was the lone difference in the Bengals being a juggernaut, then your buddy might be correct. However, as he unconsciously ignored, there are 52 others who will have a say in how well Cincy does this year.
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I for one am glad. I much prefer the dark horse position over any other.
Hype builds egos and makes people point fingers when things don't go well (see 2008). Be quiet, stay under the radar, and then just pound the other team in the freaking face.
Then stay quiet, and just do the same thing next weekend. Ismail and Woodson can jump off a cliff for all I care. If the Browns are still on the field in mid-January, I won't give a damn what they say.
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This was my first thought... anybody check out the other divisions to see if they left out the teams expected to finish at the bottom?
The NFC North one cut out the Lions I just noticed.
At the end of that video they say "and then there is .... the Lions." Then the video ends.
Well that was still one more mention than the Browns got.
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To be honest...who cares?
What did we miss? Fifteen seconds of coverage that is either a) something we've been well aware of for quite some time...or b) a shoddy, inaccurate report.
I get all the Browns coverage I need from this board...I could care less about ESPN. JMHO.
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Again I agree with you.
Some act as if they were going to give some glowing report. I think they were disrespectful for no mention, but I sure we all have heard the regurgitated garbage they would have spewed.
For those who need to know...........Talk of how the QB's can't win the job, our young corners will strruggle, Jamal is a step slow, Braylon can't catch, and Mangini is a tirant who will fail because the team hates him for being the opposite of RAC........did I miss anything?
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Who cares? It's not like espn dictates who wins what games, is it?
I am one that would prefer the Browns not be talked about - not good, not bad. Look at all the hype before the season last year. What good did that do us?
I've always been one that would prefer that my competition ignore me - snub me - think they are so much better than me that I don't merit a mention.
This whole thing fits into my realm of thinking. I like it actually.
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There is nothing new here. Win games and you get covered. Lose games and or no one cares except the fans of the team not being covered.
Last year the Browns were on the rise, and Baltimore was rebuilding, this year baltimore is challenging Pittsburgh
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I agree.
Nothing being reported right now is new. It is pretty much a review for the people who don't follow the league as close as most people on this board do.
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Major DIS. Wow... This was almost BLATANT disrespect except that after last year we are just so damn forgetable. Thanks Romeo, Phil and company. I agree that Mangini should use this in the locker room as motivation. What a slap in the face... YOU ARE NOT EVEN WORTH A MENTION! Lerner should take offense too. BUT that will never happen because ESPN means $$$ to him.
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The browns can always turn this around on ESPN. When the wins start coming, and we are not that far away- just snub ESPN. Turn down those interview requests. Do interviews with fox, cbs, nfl network ect. and call it a day.
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There is no question that ESPN does not care for the Browns; however, the franchise is to blame as well for being so bad over the past decade or so.
I would much rather have the Browns win 10 games than be projected to win 10 games.
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The browns can always turn this around on ESPN. When the wins start coming, and we are not that far away- just snub ESPN. Turn down those interview requests. Do interviews with fox, cbs, nfl network ect. and call it a day.
How much of that kind of reaction is negated by contract ?? I'll bet players are required to be "accessible" to some degree. While Fox has its mike in Quinn's nose, the ESPN dude is going to be right there anyway.
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I guess you could just ban ESPN from the building in Berea but personally, I think that would be a petty way of dealing with them.
I'd much prefer that the Browns win like crazy and make ESPN look like fools for not at least recognizing they exist.
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"But if ESPN or anyone else for that matter does hate Mangini my guess would be he did something to deserve it."
Its the Brother RAT mentality of Mangini as NE and their PR people were successful in slinging the mud on Mangini as if he was the one CHEATING.
He went from Mangenius to RAT.
ClayM57...Its ok, to be wrong once in a while  I'm sorry but to state its OK for ESPN to snub the Browns cause in your eyes we "DON'T DESERVE ANYTHING".
Well thats wrong. Either they are a Sport News Outfit or they aren't. It's not like there are 8 teams and they did the top 3. There are only 4 teams in the Division. It was a grievous error on their part. There is no Right or Wrong - just common sense.
"And if the worst thing to happen in my life today was ESPN skipped over the Browns, well I guess it could be worse and I'd call that a pretty good day."
So what are you trying to say? You are more soundly based with your feet on the ground cause this snubb doesn't upset you...lol  thats like me saying I'm a better fan than you cause it does. Which of course isn't the case.
Maybe you picture me ranting and raving - pacing the floor, throwing objects.
And then posters imply that I set myself up as better - I'm typing on my keyboard with a smile on my face just like you cause I can wake up and say...Hey I'm alive another day 
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If anything, I would call them out on their coverage during the interview and put the ball back in their court to at least talk about it.
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So what are you trying to say? You are more soundly based with your feet on the ground cause this snubb doesn't upset you...lol thats like me saying I'm a better fan than you cause it does. Which of course isn't the case.
Not trying to say anything at all really, except I guess I never really put alot thought to what the media says or does. To me it's not a big deal to what ESPN says or does, it's shouldnt have any impact what so ever on how the Browns play this coming season, so I dont put much weight into it. Maybe they were going bye the old saying, if ya got nothing good to say dont say it at all.....ya probebly not.....I take the media with a grain of salt, half the time the media will say we stink and turn around & cover thier base later and say we have a outside chance and two wweks later say were playoff contenders, hoping nobody reading or watching remember what they said two weeks ago. I guess it dosent bother me becuase I dont put alot into what they say or do anyway.
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Nobody deserves a snub.
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