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Red Sox trade two minor leaguers to Pittsburgh for Adam LaRoche.

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Also, lot of teams looking at Cliff Lee. Being as Boston is one of those teams, I'm interested in if the Indians fans here think you guys could possibly let him go, and what it would take.

He's probably the Tribe's MVP though his record does not reflect that, as the team is just not that good right now.

It would have to be some kind of an A-Rod or A-Rod prospect for me to let him go,...

I'm more worried about them dealing Sizemore or Martinez, at this point.

It's always "fire sale" when you're not doing well,...

I doubt you need to worry about Grady being traded. I certainly wouldn't trade for a guy hitting .234 who's probably looking at arm surgery within the next 3 months.

I have heard the Sox are interested in V-Mart, too. Though I'm not too excited at the thought of adding a 30-something year old catcher.

But, you guys do have that good catching prospect in your minor league system, so maybe it wouldn't take much to get you guys to deal V-Mart.

Ah, it's that time of year in major league baseball again... where the rich get richer and the poor get to load up on unproven prospects and stay in a perpetual rebuilding mode...

That is exactly what I mean...

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It was that course of events that gave us our 90's success.

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I understand that... but let's see, which gives me the greater chance for succes.. buying 4 proven all-stars or getting 8 prospects and hoping that 2 of them someday become all-stars while still here? tough one.

The problem is that 2 of my 8 prospects will have decent years next year, then pretty good years after that, but I'll still be below .500 because I can't afford to get them any help... then in their second good season, I'll trade them away mid-season for 4 more prospects...

The odds of getting the 4 or 5 prospects you need to flourish at the same time while still under contract for at least a couple more years is extremely slim...

Halladay is going to end up in Boston. You heard it here first

Then I become a big Yankee fan overnight,...

I was born in 61 but man how I long for the 50's and 60's era of the game I loved and greed ruined!

I just feel the whole "deadline" thing that the Jays set was for teams outside of the AL East. Because they've said they would trade him within the division, but would prefer not to. If Halladay isn't traded by July 28th, he'll end up in either Boston or New York, and I think we will be willing to give more, because NYY won't let go of Joba.

I figure statement #1 was pretty much correct

Baseball needs a salary cap, one with teeth in it.
Sure a small market team can have a good year or two and maybe even win a World Series, but those momentary blips of success aren't a sign of things to come... they're aberrations.

It's just plain disgusting,...I did watch the All-Star Game (noticed there was NO THREAD on this Board about it,...) and the Homer Derby, but outside of tuning in on-and-off when Cliff pitches, I am just not as interested as I was even in years past when the Indians were REALLY really bad (6,7,80's etc.)

And now the Reds have lost 12 in a row. Just screw it.

I love the Dodgers, but hate Manny, so cannot go there.

I love Jeter, but hate the Yankees, so that's out.

I like nobody in Boston, perhaps the best team in the AL.

So, baseball just stinks.

And another "likeable" dude is that Shane Victorino in Philly.

Gammons reported that the Red Sox have a deal with the Indians on the table. Victor Martinez for Clay Buchholz. According to Gammons the Red Sox trading for LaRoche doesn't mean the Red Sox won't trade for Martinez.

I would post the link but I read it on Gammons' blog which is an ESPN Insider thing.

That severely hurts my logic that Halladay is going to be Boston bound, because the only way Halladay would end up in Boston is if Clay was the centerpiece of that trade.

Tribe fans will hate losing V-Mart, I know. But if that trade goes through, then you guys are getting the better end of that deal. Clay will be a star in the league.

The only way I hope this is true is if there is more to this story. Some kind of deal including Cliff Lee and V-Mart for Buchholz and a few other prospects.

I'm all for unloading Hafner and lets face it B.Fransisco we have replacements coming up.

Hopefully we wont trade C.Lee pitchings our main problem right now anyway, V-Mart dang I'd had to trade him away but with shoppach catching, Garko at first and the catching prospects we have coming up, it's tempting, to trade him off for a Clay B.

Sorry to be stupid, but I am Sox Stupid,...who and what is Clay Bucholz ?

I can live without Victor. Hate to do it,....

Trading Lee, as said above, while pitching is a weakness, is an IDIOTIC move, most especially to another AL contender.

Shoppach's bat is questionably inconsistent,...defensively, he's very solid.

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who and what is Clay Bucholz ?

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Clay is one of boston's young pithcers people are reaving about saying he's the dreaded sure thing, but even Peter Gammon says he's gonna be a 1 or 2nd starter on any team.

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What's your plan for Garko ?

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DH & back-up first basemen

Pitching is always the key,...why not get/keep both ? It ain't like money is an issue.

Same premise as original,....why the Jays are even considering trading their best pitcher isn't what I call outside the box,...

The article also said that just because they got LaRoche doesn't mean they won't still go after Victor Martinez or Adrian Gonzalez.

http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/news/ar...sp&c_id=cle

TORONTO -- Setup man Rafael Betancourt returned to the Indians' bullpen just in time to become trade bait.

And on Thursday, the Rockies bit.

Following Thursday's game at Rogers Centre, the Indians informed Betancourt, a fixture in their 'pen since 2003, that he has been traded to the Rockies in exchange for Class A right-hander Connor Graham. It was the second swap of the summer for an Indians team that dealt Mark DeRosa to the Cardinals last month, and it could be a sign that the remaining week before the non-waiver Trade Deadline will be an active one.


The Indians held a $5.4 million option on the 34-year-old Betancourt for 2010 that they were not expected to exercise. They had extended his contract after an '07 season in which he was one of the top setup men in all of baseball. Betancourt posted a 5-1 record and a 1.47 ERA in 68 appearances that season.

In the time since, however, Betancourt has been much less predictable. He was 3-4 with a 5.07 ERA in a rough 2008, and he's gone 1-2 with a 3.52 ERA in an injury-plagued '09. He missed about six weeks with a strained right groin and was just activated off the disabled list on July 9. It had been speculated that the Indians were shopping him the minute he returned.

The trade of Betancourt, who was originally a shortstop in the Red Sox's system and signed to a Minor League deal by the Tribe before 2003, doesn't bring in an immediate return, but the 23-year-old Graham is an Ohio product with intriguing numbers at the high Class A level.

Graham, a native of Bowling Green and a Miami of Ohio alum, is 6-foot-7, 235 pounds and has spent all of 2009 with the Modesto Nuts of the California League. He is 7-4 with a 3.14 ERA, 87 strikeouts and 41 walks in 80 1/3 innings in 16 starts. His ERA is the sixth best in the league, and he's limited the opposition to a .225 average against, with just two homers allowed. He is 3-0 with a 0.59 ERA over his last three starts.

The Rockies had plucked Graham out of Miami with their fifth-round pick in the 2007 First-Year Player Draft. In his first full professional season last year, he went 12-6 with a 2.26 ERA in 26 starts for Asheville in low class A ball. Following the '08 season, Baseball America named him the 12th-best prospect in the Rockies' organization.

Bidding farewell to Betancourt won't be easy for the Indians, and especially for catcher Victor Martinez. The Venezuelan natives are the best of friends, and Martinez is the godfather of Betancourt's 6-year-old son, Rafael. But with the Betancourt's long-term standing with the organization in doubt and their place in the 2009 standings secure, the open-for-business Indians made another move for the future.

Anthony Castrovince is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

He needed to go, good luck.....now who's next.

Gotta love a team with the name Modesto Nuts.......