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Red Sox are looking to add Adrian Gonzalez, even after trading for LaRoche. Gonzalez would be a GREAT pick up for us.
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Gonzalez would be a GREAT pick up for us.
US......You mean you guys...the enemy.....were Indians fans....LOL...just kidding, Gonzalez would be a great pick-up for ya, hard to think SD would let him go and if so what are you guys gonna have to give up ? 
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I'm not sure. But, I read that the Pads GM is more interested in position player prospects than pitching prospects. So hopefully we can get him without giving up Bucholz.
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So hopefully we can get him without giving up Bucholz.
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The Athletics and Cardinals have completed a trade that sends outfielder Matt Holliday to St. Louis in exchange for third baseman Brett Wallace, outfielder Shane Peterson and right-handed pitcher Clayton Mortensen, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.
If We Took A Holiday...
The trade sending Athletics outfielder Matt Holliday to the Cardinals looks like a win for both teams, writes Keith Law. Blog
• Does trade boost Holliday's value? Fantasy Spin
In addition, sources said the Athletics will throw in $1.5 million to the Cardinals.
Holliday, 29, is eligible for free agency after this season, and has had a lackluster season overall with the Athletics, hitting .287 with 11 homers and 54 RBIs.
But he has hit well this month, batting .344 with a .421 on-base percentage, and one scout who has seen him play said Tuesday that Holliday is swinging the bat as well now as he has all year. The Cardinals have been searching for a way to upgrade their offense to build some lineup protection for first baseman Albert Pujols.
Earlier this season, St. Louis had indicated to other teams that it did not have a lot of money to spend, but it's possible that the Cardinals' front office could navigate that issue by getting approval from ownership, or by having Oakland kick in some money to offset the money still owed to Holliday, which is about $6 million.
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Holliday is earning $13.5 million in salary this season, and in order for Oakland to recoup draft picks, it would have to offer him arbitration. Holliday could be in line for an award of $16 million, something that might be more difficult for the small-market Athletics to absorb. The Yankees, after all, declined to offer Bobby Abreu arbitration last fall because they feared that he might accept it.
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Usually, I'm all for trading players for prospects, as that's what's helped the Indians become winners in the past. However, Martinez is the leader of this team and an ideal permanent first-baseman. I'm not at all interested in trading him for any prospect.
What's your plan for Garko ?
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I think Francisco is worth another year.
We gave up on Gutierrez, and now he's hitting 294 with 12 homers and 42 RBI's. It's too early to give up on Francisco.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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VMart and Cliff are probably going to the Rays.
So sick of this prospect BS.
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Where did you see this at?
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Indians picked up the PTBNL from the Cardinals for Derosa. Not a bad pickup. The Indians got the 3rd and 4th prospects in the Cardinals farm system basically for a one year player who was gone in the offseason anyway:
Cleveland Indians get Class AAA closer Jess Todd to complete Mark DeRosa trade
by Paul Hoynes/Plain Dealer Reporter
Sunday July 26, 2009, 5:45 PM
SEATTLE -- The Indians have acquired right-hander Jess Todd from St. Louis to complete the Mark DeRosa trade. He will report to Class AAA Columbus in the next couple of days.
Todd, 23, is 4-2 with 24 saves and a 2.20 ERA in 41 appearances for Class AAA Memphis. He has 59 strikeouts, 13 walks and 39 hits in 49 innings. His 24 saves currently leads the Pacific Coast League. The opposition is hitting .214 against him.
He made his big league debut with the Cardinals on June 4, allowing two runs on three hits in 1 2/3 innings against Colorado. He struck out two and walked two.T
Todd, 5-11, 210 pounds, was the Cardinals second round pick in 2007 out of the University of Akransas.
The Indians received right-hander Chris Perez from the Cardinals on June 27 in exchange for DeRosa.
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From what I understand from all reports I've heard, Jess is a beast. He was being groomed for future closer role. Dosent mean he will make the change from lower lever to major but atleast were getting a live arm with this trade.
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Jess Todd is a huge upgrade. Todd is superior to every reliever in our minor league systen right now.
Todd or C. Perez will be our future closer. With Adam Miller likely done for his career, if the DeRosa trade lands us our closer within the next year or two then I say it is Shapiro's best trade. I say that because we have 0 relief pitching prospects in the minors right now beyond Zach Putnam. (IMO)
We can't spend the money on a FA pitcher that is young (Wickman, Borowski, Wood). Therefore, we needed to build our system and this trade was perfect for us.
NOW..... What is coming for Lee and Martinez (read a report in which said it's likely both we be gone by Friday)
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I would hate to see Lee and Martinez leave Cleveland especially after Martinez said he wanted to retire here, but....
rumors are Lee to Phillies and Martinez to Red Sox.....
Phillies have Drabek (which I would do straight up for Lee... he won't ever resign here so what is the sense in trying to keep him)
Red Sox have Buccholz, Masterson, Bowden, Kelly, Anderson, and a few good OF prospects....
Our two stars could be traded for Drabek, Buccholz, and Masterson in an ideal world.... that is three legitimate young starters with ace potential... add Rondon and Carmona/Huff to that and you're looking at a bright future... until we can't afford to keep them as well.
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If Lee is traded to the Phillies you have to get back J.A. Happ in return. He is 26, 7-1 2.97 era, he's 6'6' 200 lbs, and he only makes $405,000. I read he would be included in the Holliday trade so they ought to include him with Drabeck.
With Martinez bringing Buckholz and Masterson. Our pitching rotation next could be Happ, Masterson, Buckholz, Drabeck, and then Laffey or Sowers or Carmona or Huff or Rondon. Not to shabby and it's cheap.
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I agree.
This is how a smaller market team has to win. And I think it's smarter than what the Yanks and Sox are doing....even if you have the money. Build the farm system and make runs every few years. If it goes bad, sell off the pieces for more young talent and go at it again.
We can't afford to pay VMart, CC and Lee the contracts they get from NY and Boston, so why try? This isn't about getting players to stay with us for their entire career...this is about trying to win a title. We've gotten close with this method in 2005 and 2007. I'm ok with this.
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I agree....also because if Lee did leave us after next year, he'd almost definitely be a classA free agent and net us 2 1st rounders.
Drabek is good but not considered an elite prospect by some...so we better get back at least 2 top tier guys from their system.
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This is how a smaller market team has to win. And I think it's smarter than what the Yanks and Sox are doing....even if you have the money. Build the farm system and make runs every few years. If it goes bad, sell off the pieces for more young talent and go at it again.
We can't afford to pay VMart, CC and Lee the contracts they get from NY and Boston, so why try? This isn't about getting players to stay with us for their entire career...this is about trying to win a title. We've gotten close with this method in 2005 and 2007. I'm ok with this.
i agree that building is better than what the yankees are doing, but boston has some homegrown talent on that team. i think they are the best example of how to run a team when you are allowed to have a big payroll.
i think the best way to run your team if you aren't in a big city, is to build from prospects, and then spend money when you are ready. the marlins do that. they brought in some key pieces in their 2003 run, combined with the young talent, beckett, cabrera, etc...
i don't think you can win a championship built solely on prospects and 3rd or 4th tier free agent signings.
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boston has some homegrown talent on that team. i think they are the best example of how to run a team when you are allowed to have a big payroll.
I'm glad someone agrees with me on that. Everyone assumes Boston is just like the Yankees and goes out and buys an entire team. But, what has made the Sox so good in the past 10 years or so is the fact that we have a good blend of free agent signings (Manny, Dice-K, etc), homegrown talent (Pedroia, Lester, Ellsbury, etc.), and pieces that we've used our homegrown talent to acquire through trade (Beckett, Lowell, etc.)
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they are. i didn't think theo epstein would do well in boston, but he has proven me wrong, he keeps his teams in contention every year. they have made the playoffs for how many straight years? and yet, he does a good job putting time and money into their system.
not to mention that boston found big papi from the scrap heap. that guy was left for dead by the minnesota twins. boston doesn't win any world series without him.
also, way back, varitek was a solid pickup. he was a throw in on the lowe/slocumb deal. ends up being probably the captain of a team who broke a 86 year drought and has become the model team in mlb.
but again, they can throw around bloated contracts and not feel the consequences of it. mark shapiro and all the gms of most other teams can't do that. that's why baseball has fallen to 4th on my list of pro leagues.
when you have to talk about how to handle things when you're a big city team or a mid market team, you know there is a problem. the nfl is fair for everyone, the nba has it down PAT. if lebron leaves, he leaves for his own reasons, not because new york, los angeles, or chicago can out muscle a small town like cleveland with a fat bloated contract.
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wow, and we gave them francisco. the tribe, giving up on a prospect once again.
this organization will always trade their best players for prospects who will either:
a. do well and leave for money
b. be traded before they can blossom and leave for money
hooray for prospects!!!
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wow, and we gave them francisco. the tribe, giving up on a prospect once again.
this organization will always trade their best players for prospects who will either:
a. do well and leave for money
b. be traded before they can blossom and leave for money
hooray for prospects!!!
Fransisco is not a prospect, but an average outfielder whose ceiling is a 4th oufielder.
On the other hand, the Indians got a horrific deal...Absolutely horrified at it.
you had a good run Hank.
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Cliff Lee, Ben Francisco headed to Phillies for four prospects
by Paul Hoynes/Plain Dealer Reporter
Wednesday July 29, 2009, 1:53 PM
ANAHEIM,Calif -- Cliff Lee and Ben Francisco are headed to the Phillies for four prospect if all the players involved pass their physicals.
The deal, according to one AL executive could become official "within 10 to 24 hours."
Lee is expected to make his next start Friday for Philadelphia. The Indians will receive pitchers Carlos Carrasco, Jason Knapp, catcher Lou Marson and infielder Jason Donald. Knapp, reportedly the key to the trade, is still on the disabled list.
The is the second year in a row the Indians have traded a Cy Young winner. CC Sabathia went in 2008 and Lee is headed out today.
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Giving up Francisco doesn't bother me in the least. He is an average player who only shows up when the pressure is off, kind of like a Garko clone. The only thing he did well was take time away from LaPorta and Brantley. IMO
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We're the first organization ever to trade Cy Young winners in back to back years.
You know how I was a Yankees fan for awhile then came back? I'm really thinking about jumping ship again because this ownership SUCKS.
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i'm not rooting for another team, but i won't be giving them any of my money when i come into town, not with this.
now i'm done.
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Turn on WKNR...there's some good stuff and I feel the same way about this.
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You two should both be embarrassed. The Reds have done a lot worst moves than this. Wasn't it obvious that the Tribe weren't going anywhere this season? And they got some darn good prospects. The Reds traded very good players and got nothing in return. This is the only way for the Tribe to be able to compete. They can't afford to pay Lee big money, so they have to trade him.
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You two should both be embarrassed. The Reds have done a lot worst moves than this. Wasn't it obvious that the Tribe weren't going anywhere this season? And they got some darn good prospects. The Reds traded very good players and got nothing in return. This is the only way for the Tribe to be able to compete. They can't afford to pay Lee big money, so they have to trade him.
Embarrassed? Why?
I'm sick of this team making the same BS moves every year. We're never gonna win anything with the Dolans in charge. Period.
We traded for low end prospects who aren't even healthy. WAY TO GO SHAPIRO!
I feel horrible for Bobby D. today. He's probably the best guy there.
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You two should both be embarrassed. The Reds have done a lot worst moves than this. Wasn't it obvious that the Tribe weren't going anywhere this season? And they got some darn good prospects. The Reds traded very good players and got nothing in return. This is the only way for the Tribe to be able to compete. They can't afford to pay Lee big money, so they have to trade him.
The Tribe just traded a guy with another year on his deal for players who are injured and won't sniff the majors for another three years. What's not to be embarrassed about?
In a garbage division like the AL Central, 10 games out is nothing, and we were starting to play some really good ball after the break.
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I feel like my team is sub-major league ... call it Quadruple-A.
Look at the bright side - Eric Wedge is now back in his element, teaching minor leaguers how to "grind".
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Jeez, I'm tired of being a seller every July. It makes looking back on the Indians' fold in the '07 ALCS in Boston even harder to take. We may never get that close again in my life time.
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You two should both be embarrassed. The Reds have done a lot worst moves than this. Wasn't it obvious that the Tribe weren't going anywhere this season? And they got some darn good prospects. The Reds traded very good players and got nothing in return. This is the only way for the Tribe to be able to compete. They can't afford to pay Lee big money, so they have to trade him.
Which is why the problem isn't as much with the Indians as it is with baseball...
"This is the only way for the Tribe to be able to compete" ... by trading away back to back Cy Young winners, by trading away your best players, your decent roll players and your depth for unproven prospects..... year after year after year...
These mid-season fire sales where the bottom half of the league feeds the top quarter of the league with the best talent every year is really making baseball hard to watch.... which is a shame because fall baseball used to be very exciting for me...
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You two should both be embarrassed. The Reds have done a lot worst moves than this. Wasn't it obvious that the Tribe weren't going anywhere this season? And they got some darn good prospects. The Reds traded very good players and got nothing in return. This is the only way for the Tribe to be able to compete. They can't afford to pay Lee big money, so they have to trade him.
Have the reds ever traded cy young winners in back to back years? I'm tired of the same old crap of trading for prospects. Also whose to say ANY of these prospects will do anything with there careers? This is another reason why I hate baseball. It's just 1 big auction and I cant stand to watch it. 
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Have the reds ever traded cy young winners in back to back years?
Of course not. No team in the history of the sport has done that. Until today.
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