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Refs, please move or delete as you see fit, oh omniscient masters.  www.KFFL.comBrowns | Have not exchanged proposals with Robiskie, Massaquoi Comment (0) Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:35:39 -0700 Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports the Cleveland Browns have not exchanged contract proposals with second-round draft choices WR Brian Robiskie or WR Mohamed Massaquoi, according to a source. Browns | Reject Veikune contract proposal Comment (0) Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:34:43 -0700 Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports the Cleveland Browns have rejected a contract proposal for second-round draft choice LB David Veikune, according to a source. Browns | Talking with Mack Comment (0) Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:30:45 -0700 Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports the Cleveland Browns have exchanged contract proposals with first-round draft choice C Alex Mack, according to sources.
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Well that puts my mind at ease. 
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Yeah, no kidding,...I draft YOU because I think you can help my football team, and you say "No, I don't need a job."
It makes me puke.
The NFL needs to fix this; as I get older I am am leaning more and more away from these "professionals." I know and understand the issues, but it doesn't make it feel any better,....
At a minimum, what a "player" (who isn't even NFL proven capable yet) will agree to contract for should be public knowledge BEFORE the draft.
Acting like you are irreplacable is no way to start a career. I'm totally sick of it.
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Not being an expert on the subject I ask...can the Browns not sign, hold their rights and shelve them for any lenght of time? I realize it's not in their best interest and I figure after a year they may be able to reenter the draft...but it would be nice to see someone call the bluff of the Jr. prima donas!
IMO Veikune should be ecstatic that he was thought enough of to be drafted where he was...I still think he's more of a longshot than a slam dunk type player!
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Look at the inadvertant controversy Quinn helped fuel by holding out,....he could have been RAC's "boy" right from the getgo,....and Romeo might still be the Coach,....
Ouch,....
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Not being an expert on the subject I ask...can the Browns not sign, hold their rights and shelve them for any lenght of time? I realize it's not in their best interest and I figure after a year they may be able to reenter the draft...but it would be nice to see someone call the bluff of the Jr. prima donas!
IMO Veikune should be ecstatic that he was thought enough of to be drafted where he was...I still think he's more of a longshot than a slam dunk type player!
If the player would not sign with the team that drafted them by the time next year for the draft, they woul reenter the draft.
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That makes me wonder if Roger signed -- or was even allowed to sign -- with the Cowboys while he was still in the Navy,...probably the rules were different back then, but if not, I would have been pouncing on the chance to make that steal. (20/20 hindsight, mind you,...)
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Yeah, no kidding,...I draft YOU because I think you can help my football team, and you say "No, I don't need a job."
It makes me puke.
Let's not forget that 99.9% of the time the kids have little to no say as to what's happening. They hire an agent, the agent says 'let me handle it', and it goes from there.
Certainly, the kid could override the agent and say 'just get me out there'...but an agent is sort of like a lawyer in the sense that you have them because otherwise you'd be lost in the confusion...when it comes to those matters most people step out of the way...often times to their detriment.
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The rules were different then....you held the rights in perpetuity.
Now, as has been explained, you hold them until the next draft.
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IMO Veikune should be ecstatic that he was thought enough of to be drafted where he was...I still think he's more of a longshot than a slam dunk type player!
i could be mistaken but it appears people here have misread one of the lines about veikune and the rejected contract. unless you guys are talking about something else, veikune's side made a contract proposal that the browns rejected. it wasn't that the browns proposed something and veikune rejected.
either way, that's just how negotiations go so i wouldn't be worried and i wouldn't go as far as to start slamming the guy about how he should be glad he even got drafted. regardless of whether someone was drafted earlier than they deserve, clearly someone thought highly enough of veikune to make him a 2nd-rounder and it is his responsibility to get a good contract. if there is anyone or anything to hate, it's the idea that people put off negotiations to the last minute because no one wants to perform poorly for sake of recruitment of next years draft class.
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It's far too soon to start burning our rookies at the stake. Our camp is earlier than some and nobody is going to sign until they see what the market will bear. Expect our guys to miss a few days.
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Look at the inadvertant controversy Quinn helped fuel by holding out,....he could have been RAC's "boy" right from the getgo,....and Romeo might still be the Coach,....
Ouch,....
You know...Grossi said in a "Hey Tony!" Column awhile back that Savage orchestrated the holdout and deliberately lowballed Quinn so he would sit the entire season and not be rushed in.
Just sayin'.
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I think this just shows that we are not too worried about getting these guys in when all the other rookies report.
They will all be signed when the veterans report.
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Look at the inadvertant controversy Quinn helped fuel by holding out,....he could have been RAC's "boy" right from the getgo,....and Romeo might still be the Coach,....
Ouch,....
You know...Grossi said in a "Hey Tony!" Column awhile back that Savage orchestrated the holdout and deliberately lowballed Quinn so he would sit the entire season and not be rushed in.
Just sayin'.
And where is Phil now ? I don't think this guy was as bright as most of us had given him credit for being, including me.
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Look at the inadvertant controversy Quinn helped fuel by holding out,....he could have been RAC's "boy" right from the getgo,....and Romeo might still be the Coach,....
Ouch,....
You know...Grossi said in a "Hey Tony!" Column awhile back that Savage orchestrated the holdout and deliberately lowballed Quinn so he would sit the entire season and not be rushed in.
Just sayin'.
And where is Phil now ? I don't think this guy was as bright as most of us had given him credit for being, including me.
I know. I'm saying, you're condemning Quinn when chances are it would have been crazy for him to take the deal that was on the table at the time.
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I'm not condemning anyone,..the system is broke and it needs fixing.
I'd have rather had Quinn in from Day One as the starter, with the way things have turned out anyway.
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j/c Well looks like signing our picks is going just about on schedule, everybody says no on first offer waits until the last minute turns in another offer and than agree somewhere inbetween about an hour before the first practice starts. cool let the season begin.
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j/c leave it to Grossi to have some earth shattering news Anyways, i really do hope these guys get into camp without missing too much time. The rookie reporting date is early, and i have no idea what can be accomplished in all that time before the vets report. My guess is a good review of the playbook. If a player is disciplined, they can do that on their own without being in camp. Now, once the vets report- the rookies better be signed as well. Mack can strengthen the offensive line, but he needs to gel with the other guys first, and that takes repitition of snaps. The second rounders have a chance to make a difference this year, all depends on them being in camp. I find it interesting that no contracts have been exchanged with the two wideouts...
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Look at the inadvertant controversy Quinn helped fuel by holding out,....he could have been RAC's "boy" right from the getgo,....and Romeo might still be the Coach,....
Ouch,....
Do you seriously believe that? RAC did not like to play rookies, period. He was an ass when it came to rookies.
I don't know if Mangini/Koke is the answer... BUT I happy as heck RAC is gone.
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Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports the Cleveland Browns have rejected a contract proposal for second-round draft choice LB David Veikune, according to a source.
I think some of you need to reread that..it says the Browns have rejected the proposal...although I thought the team would send out the first proposal to the player..maybe thats all mixed up..
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Maybe the team did send out an initial one, and the one the team rejected was a counter-offer.
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Look at the inadvertant controversy Quinn helped fuel by holding out,....he could have been RAC's "boy" right from the getgo,....and Romeo might still be the Coach,....
Ouch,....
Do you seriously believe that? RAC did not like to play rookies, period. He was an ass when it came to rookies.
I don't know if Mangini/Koke is the answer... BUT I happy as heck RAC is gone.
Hey now,...I did say "ouch,..." 
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I really hope that Mack and Robo and MM get into camp on time (or at least when the vets report). I think it is important for these 3 to gel with the first team offense with whatever reps they get.
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Couldn't agree more. Add Veikune to that too.
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Same old, same old  Rookies not signed as camp starts, some fans upset about it, others saying don't worry.... Just once I would like to see our camp start on time with all personnel under contract...players happy, fans appeased...just once...
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Just once I would like to see our camp start on time with all personnel under contract...players happy, fans appeased...just once...
The media hates you, what fun would that be....
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"Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports the Cleveland Browns have exchanged contract proposals with first-round draft choice C Alex Mack, according to sources."
Glad to read this although I'll take anything written by Grossi given to him by his Linda Lovelace with a grain of salt.
I would hope that a signing is very imminent.
The 2nd rounders should fall in line, 1-2-3. What's the holdup with NFL signings I can see the top 15 but anything after that should be done especially the 2nd rounders?!?! Come on already thats suppose to be one of the beauties of drafting multiple 2nd rounders...they get signed and are in camp and are Impact rookies.
Whats the hold up with the entire NFL. Sure the Pats signed theirs but the kid should have been a 4th rounder he should give thanks to God for being taken where he was and sign basically anything!
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Sure the Pats signed theirs but the kid should have been a 4th rounder he should give thanks to God for being taken where he was and sign basically anything!
So you're saying Viekune should be signed by now.
There are well run orgs.the Pats,Titans,Colts,and as much as it pains me to say it the Steelers.Then there are the Bengals,Lions,Raiders,and as much as it pains me to say it the Browns.All of them have earned thier reputations,good and bad.
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Do you seriously believe that? RAC did not like to play rookies, period. He was an ass when it came to rookies.
Dude played rookies all the time.
I will never understand where this idea came from.
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Do you seriously believe that? RAC did not like to play rookies, period. He was an ass when it came to rookies.
Dude played rookies all the time.
I will never understand where this idea came from.
It's something that his haters loved to put out there as a reason he was a bad Head Coach. I never really understood it either. He gave plenty of other reasons to dislike him. There was no need to make up new ones.
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"So you're saying Viekune should be signed by now."
Look all rookies haven't done squat yet...but the OT they drafted wasn't even close to DV as a ranked prospect...but cute anyways 
I beg to differ with your organization reference. As bad as some of our Drafting, Scouting, Coaching, GMing has been. One constant we have had is that we have made good fair offers and have been considered an organization with some class...some that you listed us with are notoriously CHEAP and that has to do with signing their rookies or not.
But thanks for answering my question on why the ENTIRE FREAKIN NFL is late on signings. Just more Anti Browns bs....heck I can go to the Ravens, Steelers and Bengals board for that.
Again its seems the entire NFL is lagging in their signings...what is it...CBA running out? Agents why...I mentioned what I did with the PATs and it has nothing to do with them being a class organization...they picked a kid that wasn't even dreaming about 1st day.
Anyway...what ever man hard to get a reasonable discussion around hear lately.. 
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Looks like Mack may be in on time, the others not so positive an article.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/07/cleveland_browns_firstround_dr.html
Cleveland Browns' first-round draft pick Alex Mack likely to sign; other picks not close
by Tony Grossi, The Plain Dealer
Thursday July 23, 2009, 11:04 PM
The Browns talked deep into Thursday night to try to close a deal with No. 1 pick Alex Mack. An agreement with the center from the University of California is expected to be completed Friday.
Mack was scheduled to fly to Cleveland from California Friday morning. By the end of the day, he should sign his first contract with the Browns.
But the team fell far short of getting in all rookie draft picks by today's team-mandated reporting date.
Negotiations with second-round picks Brian Robiskie, Mohamed Massaquoi and David Veikune are going nowhere, sources said.
Robiskie is said to be the furthest from agreeing to terms. There has been little dialogue between Browns chief negotiator Dawn Aponte and Joel Segal, Robiskie's agent, sources said.
A sticking point with some of the agents has been the Browns' rookie report date of today. It's the earliest in the NFL and was set, they believe, to force negotiations. Browns veterans are not scheduled to report until July 31, and that is being treated as the truer deadline to cut a deal. The first team practice is the next day.
Nevertheless, Mack expressed the desire to his representatives to be signed by the rookie report date.
"Alex just wanted to have that week to prepare himself for when the full squad of veterans gets in," said a source close to Mack. "He didn't want to start off his career three steps backward."
It appeared a week ago that Veikune would be signed by today, but negotiations have since cooled.
So, attendance at coach Eric Mangini's rookie camp will be limited to signed draft picks Kaluka Maiava, Don Carey, Coye Francies and James Davis, and nine undrafted free agents who survived Mangini's off-season program and stayed on the training camp roster.
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"Alex just wanted to have that week to prepare himself for when the full squad of veterans gets in," said a source close to Mack. "He didn't want to start off his career three steps backward."
Too bad this isn't the status quo,...
Also, the schmucky remark by the agent about the "report date being too early,..."
Good thing the Corps doesn't operate that way.
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Good thing military recruits don't hire agents. 
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Actually, they should. There'd be a lot less wars that way. 
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Once Mack gets signed, i think the second rounders will fall fairly quickly. This is really good news.
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"Alex just wanted to have that week to prepare himself for when the full squad of veterans gets in," said a source close to Mack. "He didn't want to start off his career three steps backward."
Too bad this isn't the status quo,...
Also, the schmucky remark by the agent about the "report date being too early,..."
Good thing the Corps doesn't operate that way.
I like the early date. The rooks need to get up to speed. I want to see preparation before the season.
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Typical top-shelf Grossi product. Really wish there was a cap or limit to keep this under control, at least until they actually do something and prove out. Don't some sports cap rooks; I can see all the incentives clauses in the world. But this is outta control with agents crippling some clubs. Of course no signing or late-sign penalties might help. Or refuse to work with a few agents that are systematically manufacturing drama and turmoil and holding guys out. Set a deadline;after that they can enter say game 6 if signed and physically OK. But if this is the message, that I want to negotiate more and create logjams, then so be it. Wish is granted. JMO and it is bone-headed but sincere.  
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Good news about Mack and its nice he has the right attitude.
The 2 WRs not too worried about - WR is one of the few positions that get a lot of work done in the mini-camps and do not revolve around hitting which is the big significance of Training camp starting and assessing players.
DV was a kid we wanted in early as he has a shot at our OLB position - he's blowing it listening to the Devil
Speaking of the Devil... "A sticking point with some of the agents has been the Browns' rookie report date of today. It's the earliest in the NFL and was set, they believe, to force negotiations. Browns veterans are not scheduled to report until July 31, and that is being treated as the truer deadline to cut a deal."
All I know is we better get a CBA done cause if not these Agents are going to try to rule the NFL and dictate policy... 
JMHO - so the sticking point has nothing to do with $$$ it has to do with who is in control so because of that 3 Impact possibles risk losing their shot to contribute this season. One week of hands on training for the rookies...yeah what a disgusting idea. Like new employees never get and Orientation into their new jobs
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