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I just heard on WTAM that Garko was traded to the Giants. They don't have any details yet on what the Tribe got. Anyone have more info on this story? I can't find it online yet. He was supposed to be DHing tonight against the Angels but got scratched from the lineup.
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Just found this: http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/2009/07/breaking-news-ryan-garko-traded.htmlBREAKING NEWS: 1B Ryan Garko has been traded to the San Francisco Giants for Class A LHP Scott Barnes. Scott Barnes is 21 years old and has made 18 starts in Class A Advanced for the Giants, going 12-2 with a 2.85 ERA. In 98 innings pitched, he's struck out 99 while walking 29. Batters are hitting .227 against him. He leads the league in wins, is second in ERA and his 99 strikeouts are tied for ninth overall. Barnes was an eight-round Draft pick in 2008 out of St. John's University. He is listed at 6-foot-4, 185 pounds. Baseball America named him the ninth-best prospect in the Giants' system before this season.
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and the Next Ex-Indian All Star is Ryan Garko
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Well, better Garko than V-Mart or Cliffy.
12-2 with a sub 3.00 ERA is pretty nice sounding. But we'll see what he does once he gets to the Bigs.
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That's single A though. I'm looking forward to LaPorta.
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I'm really not all that upset with moving Garko. I think he's an "OK" player ..... but probably not anything really special.
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Well if this helps the ailing pitching of this team I'll be sincerely happy.
Hopefully Matt pans out like he's supposed to.
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Let's just bring him up in Pavano's spot...
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Garko's best possiblity at this point is a slightly above average hitter and slightly below average fielder.
we have a cluster of 1B in our system...no reason to take what we think is the highest offer for him.
no idea on this pitcher....but Baseball America has him as the SF Giants #9 prospect. Still young though, so hopefully he pans out.
hopefully we bring up LaPorta....though Marte might deserve another shot up in the bigs at 3B the way he has been tearing through Buffalo.
also, there is always the chance this could be a precursor deal to another one......one involving a prominent 1B for the Dodgers perhaps?
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They already announced that they're bringing up Marte...
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They already announced that they're bringing up Marte...
Marte? He's still in the system? 
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They already announced that they're bringing up Marte...
Marte? He's still in the system?
Dolan's discounts....sheesh...
I can't wait to see what he can do.... I have feeling this could Brandon Phillips esque... with the difference of course being he is still with the team.
Marte is lighting it up in AAA... now please come up and finally show your once top prsoepct in all of baseball status!
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This is the problem with Marte. If the guy can produce at the Major league level like he has at the minors then great. But there is a reason there are people in the minor leagues....they aren't major leaguers. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not going to bet against it.
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I'm hoping that the recent bit of success the Tribe's been having will persuade them to hang on to Lee.
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if we traded lee, the package would have to be huge. ridiculous. a former cy young award winner who has a team option for next year?
you're talking a few prospects, who will be ready to start by next year. no way anyone gives that up. no way shapiro takes anything less.
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Did we throw in Wedge and the pitching coach for a AA prospect?
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Eh, was never in love with Gark. Great guy but he wasn't a potentially special player (like ML). LaPorta needs time and this should free up some major league AB's for him.
We need young arms and with the log jam at 1B, it makes sense to move Garko while he has some value.
I would guess LaPorta will play 1B now when Vmart catches?
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This is the problem with Marte. If the guy can produce at the Major league level like he has at the minors then great. But there is a reason there are people in the minor leagues....they aren't major leaguers. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not going to bet against it.
Think you're being a little too hard on Andy. Sometimes it take hitters a while to fill in swing holes and adjust to good pitching.
He's still just 25. He's shown a lot more discipline at the plate, even if it is AAA. We'll see if it translates.
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it's easy to do in baseball especially, but I think people give up too quickly on prospects.
Marte was not long ago considered a top tier prospect. he very well could pull a Brandon Phillips and emerge as a legit MLBer if not even more. The talent is obviously there, it's just a matter of figuring out the nuances at the MLB level.
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also, at this point, I wouldn't mind to see Cliff Lee get traded....I think we'll get a bounty for him now and I don't think he'll resign after next season. I'd rather get close to MLB ready top tier prospects for him now than draft choices later (especially with our recent draft acumen).
Victor is a different case...he really seems to be willing to consider the Tribe longterm....and it is always nice to have an emergency catcher in the field (I think he continues his transition to 1B with part-time cathcing rather than the other way around). We'd have to get a ton for him, but it is possible that we get just that. The Dodgers, Phillies and Red Sox all have pretty well stocked farm systems and they are all interested. Should be an interesting week.
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i'd love to be able to keep vic, and i think we have a better chance at keeping him.
cliff lee isn't gonna get cc money, but it'll be close.
he says he wants to test free agency, which means he's gone because the dolans aren't going to pay anyone.
but i think we should keep him and trade him next year if we aren't in contention.
the thing that stinks is, you know this team isn't gonna go out and get better pitchers next offseason, so we most likely won't be in contention. not with this pitching staff, and not without a stronger bullpen.
lee will be traded a year from now.
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the problem with waiting until next year is that we will not get nearly as much for him.
whether we are in "contention" with him next year or not, our best chance at winning the WS is if we get the most for him now.
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The reason you get the most of him by trading Lee this season is that whoever trades for Lee has him for two title runs not just two months like CC last year.
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doesn't seem like anyone wants to put a package good enough together right now. which is why i don't think we should panic and deal him now because a 1 1/2 year under contract lee looks better than a 1/2 year rental of lee.
someone is going to get desperate. plus i think, from the indians' perspective, if they deal lee now, and with the fanbase knowing the team doesn't spend money, they KNOW they're going to suck in 2010. no way around it. who's your 1? fausto carmona? aaron laffey?
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The reason you get the most of him by trading Lee this season is that whoever trades for Lee has him for two title runs not just two months like CC last year.
Well, in theory but he most likely wouldn't be going to a small market team ala C.C.
If he goes to Philadelphia or Boston (the two most likely destinations), I would guess they would work out an extension.....because unlike Milwaukee, they can afford to pay him. When a team isn't facing the prospect of losing the player they're trading for (by being able to resign them), they become that much more valuable.
You hold out for the deal you want and if you don't get it, you don't trade him. The this year's value vs. next year's value philosophy shouldn't even play a part in it when you're talking about a top of the rotation lefty. He's worth what he's worth.
Hell, even a small market team (Milwaukee) had to give up a lot for a 2 month rental, so I wouldn't worry about losing out on some value by waiting till next year. If teams don't want to pay the pricetag, you hang on to him and try to retool in 2010.
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This is the problem with Marte. If the guy can produce at the Major league level like he has at the minors then great. But there is a reason there are people in the minor leagues....they aren't major leaguers. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not going to bet against it.
The purpose of the Minor Leagues is to develop players, which Marte may have finally done looking at his current statline. Look at this way, either Marte will become a good player, or this is the last we see of him in an Indians uniform, either way, there is no risk considering we don't have anything to play for right now.
As for everyone and Cliff Lee, he will not command what CC got, however he will bring back a good, MLB ready starting pitcher and a few younger pitchers, which is all you can ask for a 31 year old ace. I think trading Martinez and Lee together is the way to go because you'll get at least two MLB ready pitchers and the offense is good enough to where losing Victor is expendable. Between that and the fact that Victor's future is at first and not catcher, now is really the time to trade him.
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Let me play devil's advocate here.....
So why would we be inclined to trade Vmart if we just moved our 1B in a trade and potentially opened up a spot for Victor at first?
Santana is clearly the future behind the plate, most likely starting next season (with the way Shoppach has tanked) but we don't really have an answer at 1B. Garko just wasn't the traditional run producer you need at a corner infield spot but there's a good possibility Vic is. LaPorta MIGHT be that guy but he's completely unproven and you gotta think getting Vic out from behind the plate will lengthen his career considerably.
Vic has been in a bit of a slump but still, he has pretty respectable numbers (.286, .369, 15, 67). I'm just not inclined to trade a lifetime .300 hitter who expressed his desire to remain with the team, especially not for a bunch of prospects. That just seems absolutely silly to me. If we can get a major league ready, potential top of the rotation arm for him, then I suppose you think about it but he doesn't turn 31 till December. He still has a lot of good baseball left in him.
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Let me play devil's advocate here.....
So why would we be inclined to trade Vmart if we just moved our 1B in a trade and potentially opened up a spot for Victor at first?
Santana is clearly the future behind the plate, most likely starting next season (with the way Shoppach has tanked) but we don't really have an answer at 1B. Garko just wasn't the traditional run producer you need at a corner infield spot but there's a good possibility Vic is. LaPorta MIGHT be that guy but he's completely unproven and you gotta think getting Vic out from behind the plate will lengthen his career considerably.
Vic has been in a bit of a slump but still, he has pretty respectable numbers (.286, .369, 15, 67). I'm just not inclined to trade a lifetime .300 hitter who expressed his desire to remain with the team, especially not for a bunch of prospects. That just seems absolutely silly to me. If we can get a major league ready, potential top of the rotation arm for him, then I suppose you think about it but he doesn't turn 31 till December. He still has a lot of good baseball left in him.
plus, i think we have a good chance at retaining him. we have zero chance at keeping lee. everybody in the world knows that.
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Question : Has Shoppach tanked or is his inconsistancy due to lack of playing time. Seems when Shoppach was an everyday catcher getting to bat everyday he also produced ?
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Let me play devil's advocate here.....
So why would we be inclined to trade Vmart if we just moved our 1B in a trade and potentially opened up a spot for Victor at first?
Santana is clearly the future behind the plate, most likely starting next season (with the way Shoppach has tanked) but we don't really have an answer at 1B. Garko just wasn't the traditional run producer you need at a corner infield spot but there's a good possibility Vic is. LaPorta MIGHT be that guy but he's completely unproven and you gotta think getting Vic out from behind the plate will lengthen his career considerably.
Vic has been in a bit of a slump but still, he has pretty respectable numbers (.286, .369, 15, 67). I'm just not inclined to trade a lifetime .300 hitter who expressed his desire to remain with the team, especially not for a bunch of prospects. That just seems absolutely silly to me. If we can get a major league ready, potential top of the rotation arm for him, then I suppose you think about it but he doesn't turn 31 till December. He still has a lot of good baseball left in him.
Because Victor is a mere average first baseman when it comes to hitting. Victor was/is a great asset as a catcher, but as a first baseman, his value is not much more than Garko's. Which is why we should trade him now rather than keep him for sentimental reasons while we have LaPorta, Brown, Mills, Weglarz, Marte ect. in the Farm system behind him.
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realize that Victor has extra value even when playing everday 1B.
he means we don't have to carry a backup catcher on the roster. When Santana needs a day off (assuming we ship out Shoppach), we just scoot him to C and play whoever at 1B.
that opens up a roster spot which is huge even if he isn't a premier hitting 1B (still a pretty good one in the post-steroids era)
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realize that Victor has extra value even when playing everday 1B.
he means we don't have to carry a backup catcher on the roster. When Santana needs a day off (assuming we ship out Shoppach), we just scoot him to C and play whoever at 1B.
that opens up a roster spot which is huge even if he isn't a premier hitting 1B (still a pretty good one in the post-steroids era)
The thing is that Victor at first isn't that much better than Garko as an offensive first baseman. Backup catchers are really a dime a dozen business where you can pick up an older catcher who can call a good game.
The long and short of it is this: Victor will be too expensive for what he will provide for this ball club. He doesn't provide good power for a first baseman, is aging, and is blocking young players with potential to be much higher than his.
I'd rather struggle with LaPorta and Santana than overpay with Victor and block LaPorta for a significant amount of time.
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I understand where you are coming from and if we get the right deal, I am always for making a deal that makes us a stronger team.
and while backup catchers are a dime a dozen..."starting quality catchers that can hit and do not take up a roster spot while allowing you to shift around to give guys a day off more easily" are not as easily found.
so, just noting we have to take into effect the added value when we are looking at what we can get for Victor.
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I understand where you are coming from and if we get the right deal, I am always for making a deal that makes us a stronger team.
and while backup catchers are a dime a dozen..."starting quality catchers that can hit and do not take up a roster spot while allowing you to shift around to give guys a day off more easily" are not as easily found.
so, just noting we have to take into effect the added value when we are looking at what we can get for Victor.
I question how much more time Victor has behind the plate, especially since he was never that good at catcher to begin with.
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They already announced that they're bringing up Marte...
Marte? He's still in the system?
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Marte plays well in the minors, then gets called up and sucks.
He hasn't shown me a damn thing.
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Something to consider for Lee and VMart...
"I'd ask as much for Lee as the Jays are asking for Roy Halladay. If no trade comes to pass, they've got a cheap ace for 2010. As far as potential do-nothing downside goes, that's not terrible ... I think he's gone, though, along with Martinez. Word on the sun-dappled pathways of the Internet is that the Indians' financial troubles are far more severe than anybody realizes ... It certainly doesn't help that genius-boy GM Mark Shapiro has eight-figure salaries for Jake Westbrook, Travis Hafner and Kerry Wood on the book for next season. I sure hope we'll be given clearance to say not-nice things about Shapiro soon; the organization may do things "the right way," but at some point it'd be nice if they won a bit more often ... Perfect fit: Any player whose major-league service time can be counted on a single finger."
LINK (Power Rankings) If the financial troubles are real, maybe we'll be seeing even a deeper fire sale. The contracts for those three players might very well push Lee and/or VMart out of town in the next week. I wonder if anyone else is on the block.
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Something to consider for Lee and VMart...
"I'd ask as much for Lee as the Jays are asking for Roy Halladay. If no trade comes to pass, they've got a cheap ace for 2010. As far as potential do-nothing downside goes, that's not terrible ... I think he's gone, though, along with Martinez. Word on the sun-dappled pathways of the Internet is that the Indians' financial troubles are far more severe than anybody realizes ... It certainly doesn't help that genius-boy GM Mark Shapiro has eight-figure salaries for Jake Westbrook, Travis Hafner and Kerry Wood on the book for next season. I sure hope we'll be given clearance to say not-nice things about Shapiro soon; the organization may do things "the right way," but at some point it'd be nice if they won a bit more often ... Perfect fit: Any player whose major-league service time can be counted on a single finger."
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If the financial troubles are real, maybe we'll be seeing even a deeper fire sale. The contracts for those three players might very well push Lee and/or VMart out of town in the next week. I wonder if anyone else is on the block.
I already have chalked up Lee, Martinez, Shoppach, Carroll and Pavano to be traded. The Indians need to get to about 50 million for next year.
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Marte plays well in the minors, then gets called up and sucks.
He hasn't shown me a damn thing.
I know it is one game after being called up but he is 2 for 3 right now in tonight's game.
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these guys are NOT playing for the Phils minor league team today...interesting
i'd want Happ, Knapp and/or Mays with Carrasco, but still....
Carrasco - #2 phillies prospect by Baseball America (#1 last year...Drabek #1 now) hard throwing pitcher who doesn't walk many....ERA over 5 at AAA though and is only 6-9 because of it. Could very well end up a good middle rotation guy though if he keeps up the 112/38 K/BB ratio.
Jason Donald - #4 phillies prospect by Baseball America. extremely good arm, below average speed makes him a Jeter-like defender at SS. Very well could move to 3B. Had been tearing up every level of minor league ball offensively until he got to AAA this year where he has struggled. Good doubles-power.
Lou Marson - #3 Phillies prospect by Baseball America. played some with the Phillies this year and struggled at the plate...though that is where he will make his living. No real power, but good line drive hitter and hits for average. Defensively, he blocks the plate well and has an above average arm but apparently was switched to catcher his last year in college so has limited experience there that sometimes shows. D'Aunard in the system (lower level though) makes him expendable for Philly (many consider D'Aunard a better prospect).
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