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Tony Grossi's blog: Cleveland Browns have one practice in the books by Tony Grossi/Plain Dealer Reporter Saturday August 01, 2009, 1:02 PM BEREA, Ohio -- Observations from the first Browns practice of training camp ... • Tight end Steve Heiden, who had ACL surgery in December, is working in all drills, wearing a red jersey to limit his contact. Defensive end Robaire Smith, who had Achilles tendon surgery in September, is working in all drills. Receiver and returner Josh Cribbs and kicker Phil Dawson, who have contract disputes with the Browns, are working in all drills. Receiver Braylon Edwards remains out with an undisclosed injury that occurred off the field sometime in the offseason. • There was more contact in one practice than you might have seen in a week of practices under former coach Romeo Crennel. • In the first team drill, the offensive line lined up this way from left to right: Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, Hank Fraley, Floyd Womack and John St. Clair. Brady Quinn was the quarterback. • Ryan Tucker, who admitted he contemplated retirement in the weeks before training camp, lined up exclusively at right guard. • Linebacker Beau Bell came advertised in the 2008 draft as a "hammer-type hitter" and "a powerful tackler." In a one-on-one contact drill, Bell was defeated by 5-8 running back Jerome Harrison and got blasted backwards by fullback Lawrence Vickers. • Special teams coach Brad Seely tortured Phil Dawson with a goalpost that is approximately one-half the 18-foot, 6-inch width of the normal goalpost. Dawson appeared to make 5 of 8 kicks varying in length from 20 to 42 yards. • There is an obvious effort to establish a strong bond between the two inside linebackers, D'Qwell Jackson and Eric Barton. They are always together when not on the field. And during special teams periods, Jackson and Barton work side by side with linebackers coach Matt Eberflus. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/08/tony_grossis_blog_cleveland_br_4.html
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Camp off and running Zac Jackson, Staff Writer 08.01.2009 One training camp practice is in the books. If you weren't part of the large, enthusiastic crowd on hand Saturday morning, here's a little of what you missed... **Brady Quinn got the first snap with the first-team offense, but head coach Eric Mangini said the reps will be split evenly between Quinn and Derek Anderson until a starter is declared. "We'll alternate depending on day and teaching progression," Mangini said. "They'll get an equal amount of reps and they'll be equally distributed through different segments -- red area, third down, two-minute. We'll track the reps daily, as we track all the reps daily." **A couple rookie linebackers made an impression in an early one-on-one blitz drill against running backs. Kaluka Maiava got the better end of a big collision with Charles Ali, then blew past James Davis. David Veikune laid a big hit on Lawrence Vickers, but on Vickers' next rep he stepped up and knocked Beau Bell back. Veikune later beat Jamal Lewis with a swim move. **On the first play of the inside run drill, Lewis drew a round of applause after finding traffic on a run to the right and making a nifty cut back to daylight on the left side. A few plays later, Ali got one back for the fullbacks when he delivered a punishing lead block on Veikune. **Ryan Tucker said he did contemplate retirement following minicamp, but said he's now in a good frame of mind and anxious for his 13th NFL season. Tucker has battled injuries the last couple years but said he's worked hard to come back and being around his teammates has him ready for football. Tucker was clean shaven and wearing his hair short for the first time "since second grade," he joked. **Steve Heiden, who's rehabbing from a December knee injury, practiced but wore a red "no contact" jersey. Robaire Smith, who suffered a torn Achilles tendon last September, practiced and said he's making progress, but he also said he's not full-go yet. **Not that any lineup is even close to set on the first day, but the first offensive line looked like this, from left to right: Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, Hank Fraley, Floyd Womack, John St. Clair. The second line, in the same listing order: Isaac Sowells, Rex Hadnot, Alex Mack, Tucker, George Foster. **The first defensive line had Shaun Rogers at nose flanked by Kenyon Coleman and C.J. Mosley at the ends. On the second line, Robaire and Shaun Smith were at end with Ahtyba Rubin at nose. **In a later one-on-one drill, Rogers welcomed Alex Mack to the NFL by pushing the rookie five or six yards back off the snap. **In a 7-on-7 drill, Mike Adams intercepted a Derek Anderson pass. On Anderson's next throw, he threw a dart to the sideline to Syndric Steptoe after getting Brandon McDonald to bite on a pump fake. **Phil Dawson kicked the session-ending field goal on extra-narrow goal posts at the northeast end of the practice fields, another thing new to the Browns. After practice, Mangini said he wasn't sure exactly how wide the small target was. Dawson said he liked the challenge: "Make the slightest little mistake, and you're going to miss." http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=9691
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• Ryan Tucker, who admitted he contemplated retirement in the weeks before training camp, lined up exclusively at right guard.
Well, people are going to be happy that he stayed, but my concern is his frame of mind. Is his heart and head 100% in it?
Sounded for the most part to be a positive report, as well as the one from the main site. Except both made Beau Bell sound pretty bad.
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I don't like hearing that.. It's one thing to not be able to pickup assignments (as was reported after Mini camp that bell was having issues) it's a whole other thing to get your butt kicked by guys your supposed to be able to handle..
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I haven't heard of that before,, kinda cool really. Hope Phil does well since we dumped our other kicker yesterday.
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Not too much we haven't seen: Aug 1st, 2009 @ 11:57 am by Steve Doerschuk - Brady Quinn was the first man to run the first team the first time the Browns lined up in 11-on-11s today. Eric Mangini, though, said both Quinn and Derek Anderson, said, “They’ll get an equal amount of reps equally distrubuted through the different sessions.” Mangini would not be pinned down on whether Quinn has a lead on Anderson. Quinn seemed sharper in the morning practice than he was in the spring, when he didn’t seem sharp at all. - Mangini took note as he left the team complex in the wee hours that a fan was hanging out at the main gate so he could be first in when training camp opened to fans. Mangini saw the guy again a few hours later when he returned to the complex to crank up practice. “Carl Smith (QBs coach) took him coffee,” Mangini said. - Neither Braylon Edwards nor Mangini would get into why Edwards is on the non-football injury list. Edwards is in camp, though, saying it is Mangini’s decision for the wideout not to practice for now. Edwards said his injury, whatever it is, is the same thing that kept him out of spring practice. - Any interest in Michael Vick. “We don’t,” Mangini said. “I’m happy with our group of guys.” - Any interest in Brett Favre playing for the Browns? “It didn’t cross my mind at all,” Mangini said. “He’s a friend.” Favre would still be welcome at Browns camp, “as a friend,” Manginbi said with emphasis on “friend.” We think that’s the way all along, and sense Mangini was chafed by some reporting that had Favre as a possible Browns candidate. link
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Where is Corey Williams. He's the one we spent all the money and the 2nd round pick on. The guy has to have talent...........
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“Carl Smith (QBs coach) took him coffee,” Mangini said.
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Beau Bell isn't going to turn into one of our better picks...
How can you let Jerome Harrison block you?
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How can you let Jerome Harrison block you?
I've come to the conclusion that I'm not going to count on any of Phil Savage's picks that haven't shown it to me yet. It's very clear that he was a BIG problem in the organization and didn't fit players to Romeo's system.
Kokinis has made picks for guys that fit what Mangini's looking to accomplish.
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Not sure if this means Harrison blocked him or juked him, leaving Bell's jock strap around his ankles....
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I agree it's of concern. But it's a couple plays. While geting beat by Harrison is both good news (go harrison), it's bad too (boo bell). Still everyone gets beat sometime.
I checked on Bell vs Vickers. According to team website they are both 250. Vickers can block. I wonder if that drill let the RB get a head of steam, or both or was from a dead start?
Anyway might be mountain out of a molehill. Mangini will track the totality of Bell's work. (and maybe everyone else plays so good we cut him.) and decide from that.
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How can you let Jerome Harrison block you?
I've come to the conclusion that I'm not going to count on any of Phil Savage's picks that haven't shown it to me yet. It's very clear that he was a BIG problem in the organization and didn't fit players to Romeo's system.
Kokinis has made picks for guys that fit what Mangini's looking to accomplish.
If Romeo had that kind of cooperation with the FO, he could still be here.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Where is Corey Williams. He's the one we spent all the money and the 2nd round pick on. The guy has to have talent...........
He was a great 4-3 DE ...... and has the frame to be a great 3-4 DE as well. I know he was hurt last year and didn;t show much as a result ..... so maybe he's starting at the bottom this year.
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Receiver Braylon Edwards and rookie cornerback Coye Francies, both on the reserve-non-football injury list, were dressed in shorts and jerseys, but did not participate in drills. Coach Eric Mangini gave no details and said they would be back on the field when they were cleared to participate.
Edwards, who was still limping, said his is the continuation of a problem that also sidelined him during the June minicamp. He would not confirm the rumor that he was hurt playing basketball, referring questions to Mangini.
In June, Edwards said the injury wasn't serious and he could have played if there had been a game that day.
"At the end of the day it’s all precaution," Edwards said. "You asked me if I could’ve played the game if it was today. The game wasn’t today and the game isn’t today. The game isn’t 'til Sept. 13. Right now it’s precautionary and everthing’s on Coach Mangini."
Asked if he was close, Edwards said, "Who knows? It feels good."
Who's here: Participating were kicker Phil Dawson and receiver/special teamer Joshua Cribbs, both seeking to renegotiate their contracts, and offensive lineman Ryan Tucker, who admitted he considered retirement in the seven weeks after minicamp.
QB update: In seven-on-seven, Derek Anderson's pass intended for tight end Robert Royal was picked off by safety Mike Adams. Anderson burned Adams on the next play, hitting receiver Syndric Steptoe on a TD bomb of over 50 yards. That was the first of two touchdown tosses by Anderson. He also hit rookie Brian Robiskie during team drills. Brady Quinn did not throw for a score.
Special teams highlight: Near the end of practice, Phil Dawson lined up for nine field goals and hit seven even though the goal posts are only half the normal width (18 feet, 6 inches). One from the 10-yard line hit the upright and bounced off, another from the 30 was wide left.
Hit of the day: Linebacker Bo Ruud and Steptoe stood out in Mangini's one-on-one gauntlet-style drill where two players run at each other.
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How can you let Jerome Harrison block you?
I've come to the conclusion that I'm not going to count on any of Phil Savage's picks that haven't shown it to me yet. It's very clear that he was a BIG problem in the organization and didn't fit players to Romeo's system.
Kokinis has made picks for guys that fit what Mangini's looking to accomplish.
If Romeo had that kind of cooperation with the FO, he could still be here.
Well, I believe our coaching staff was poor as well. Better that the slate was wiped clean.
Seemed to me Savage wouldn't draft for systems but drafted for overall talent. I already see Kokinis drafting for talent AND system. Probably because Kokinis understanded pro personnel better while Savage was on the college scouting side.
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i hate that...when will we have one true QB that will start back to back years? WHEN? i'm sick of this crap...pick one and ride with him already!
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Anderson leads Brady 2 TDs to 0, but also leads the INTs 1-0
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Anderson will have the most TD's.... I will give him that...
But he will also have the most INT's as well.... Turnovers kill.. but its part of the game for QB's who are gun slingers...
I don't know who is going to win that battle.. Can't wait to watch them on preseason, and see how hard they play to get that starting spot.
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http://blogs.cantonrep.com/2009/08/freshbrownies/night-moves-quinn-looks-poised/Night moves: Quinn looks poised Aug 1st, 2009 @ 7:47 pm by Steve Doerschuk QBs coach Carl Smith had his boys doing a lot of throwing on the run in the morning practice. He stayed with that theme in the evening practice, from which I have just retreated. You’d imagine Quinn looks better throwing on the move than Anderson, and you’d be right. This could be a key point if Eric Mangini, in consort with Brian Daboll, wants lots of throwing on the move. As we mentioned, they sure did practice that a lot today. Quinn has a hop in his step and almost seems to prefer throwing on the move to slinging it out of the pocket. Anderson isn’t a giraffe, but he noticeably lumbers when throwing on the move, at least in relation to Quinn. Quinn had a nice evening practice and seems to be carrying hiumself with much confidence. It was hardly a perfect session — during one drill featuring only defensive backs in one-on-one coverage, with no linemen, Quinn was picked off twice by Brandon McDonald. One of the picks was on a slightly underthrown deep ball, and we all know No. 10’s arm strength is less than a perfect 10. The other pick was simply a fabulous play by McDonald, diving in front of Brian Robiskie on a mid-range throw. EXTRA POINTS - I heard a few macho men in the gallery say it would be great if Mangini ran both practices in full pads. Mangini backed off in the late session, with the team practicing in shorts. - It was an exaggeration when one late-practice observer said, “It’s freezing out here,” but it felt like no more than 70 degrees. - My son Jim reminded me how time flies when he said Tim Couch was eligible for the Hall of Fame’s Class of 2009. - Rob Ryan looks like a pirate. He could easily be a model for a new Raiders logo. - There were lots of penalty laps based on mistakes in the evening practice. The one Shaun Rogers ran was hilarious. It was power walking with sarcastic body language. I wonder if Mangini will confront him on that. - One play late in the second practice was a double pitch, with Josh Cribbs winding up with the ball. They need to come up with new trick plays. The ones featuring Cribbs last year weren’t too tricky for defenses to figure out.
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Does anyone really wanna read that Ryan looks like a pirate?
GIVE ME MORE DETAIL on the players in camp!! rgghh....
McDonald is going to start... The guy is a beast...
I'd really like to hear more about Harrison and Davis... Carey and Lawson... I wanna hear something about all the rookies period...
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GIVE ME MORE DETAIL on the players in camp!! rgghh....
McDonald is going to start... The guy is a beast...
I'd really like to hear more about Harrison and Davis... Carey and Lawson... I wanna hear something about all the rookies period...
Dang its been a long off season.. Now I'm fiending.. lmao..
I hope to go to camp and tweet live updates next week. I'll tell you what I see then.
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Well... have a HARD TIME seeing this actually happening  you just gotta love sloppy fat guys who hate running...
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Saw a few runs by Harrison, nothing particular to mention that stood out.
BUT....
I watched James Davis take a pitch left, go around the corner and sprint 70 yards to pay dirt.
Ammo- I considered Tweeting live updates today for anyone on here interested, but my wife decided to stay home and clean (I was shocked she was going to clean), so I had to keep an eye on my 3 year old daughter. Too hard to fully watch and keep an eye on her. Plus my brother came with my 4 year old nephew.
I'm going to try and make it up there next Saturday and may consider doing it.
We didn't get to see the O run their drills, but the DL was 10 feet from me. Just a few observations:
-Shaun Rogers is retardedly agile for a man of his size. Just owned everyone in one-on-one drills.
-Shaun Smith, compared to the other DL, looks fat.
-Coleman is SOLID. He's a big man, and he doesn't look to have too much fat on him. Big arms, big frame, but not fat at all. Curious to see what he does come game time.
-Robaire practiced fully. Hope he returns to his 2007 form. Wouldn't mind seeing him, Rogers and Coleman starting.
-The only guy who stood out as performing poorly with the DL drills was Santonio Thomas. Leonard plowed him over once- the only time a DL went down during drills- and he was pretty much the only football player I've ever seen in my life almost completely whiff when hitting a sled.  Cox yelled at him and made him do it again (as he damn well should have).
-I swear Kimo Von Olehoffen was right in front of me coaching the DL.
-Rogers blew Mack about 6-7 yards back on DL/OL drills. Not that he doesn't typically do it to other guys.
-Lots of guys running laps. Which is good and bad. Good because Mangini wants discipline. Bad because too many guys were UNdisciplined tonight. Quinn ran one when he was the only guy not moving at the snap. DA ran one, Rogers, a few DL to name a few. Mack ran one, not sure why, but fans in my section made the "Welcome to training camp, rookie!" comment as he ran by.
-Saw a lot of different drills I hadn't seen run in other years I've been there.
-A lot more physical than under Crennel. That is very noticeable, and they weren't in full pads this evening, just shorts.
As far as the 11-11 drills, this is when my kid started not listening, so I had to keep a better eye on her. But what I saw that stood out:
-Like I said, James Davis took a pitch around the left side 70 yards to the endzone. Looked smooth.
-None of the QBs looked stellar. Brady made a nice throw on the run. Also a beautiful throw deep in the corner of the endzone to Robo that was perfect- except Robo let it bounce off his hands.
-Quinn also over threw Royal on a deep throw. Not sure why the hell Royal was running a deep route to begin with....
-DA looked ok. Nothing good, nothing bad. Each guy was almost picked, but didn't witness an actual INT.
-Cribbs played a lot of WR. Made a few plays.
-Saw too many dropped balls.
-Steptoe took pretty much all of the punts that I saw. I hope they aren't looking at taking Cribbs out of that role to focus his play with the offense and defense.
That's about it, just a few things off the top of my head.
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Posted Aug 01, 2009 @ 10:47 PM
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BROWNS CAMP COLOR
The horn sounded. Pro Bowl nose tackle Shaun Rogers trotted toward the next drill.
Rogers slapped some heavy bags silly, moved with the quickness of a man half his size, and made the fans roar when he did a spin move that would make a point guard proud.
Before Rogers arrived at the station, a fan yelled out toward the group, “Hey, guys, we want a win against Pittsburgh.”
An assistant coach, Rick Lyle, quickly responded, “We want a win against everybody.”
The fan responded, “Start with Pittsburgh.”
Veteran wideout David Patten chugged downfield at full speed. Derek Anderson, a Browns quarterback at a crossroads, whistled a missile.
Patten reached away from his body to make a nice “hands catch” without breaking stride. It was a perfect fastball.
Someone in the big training camp crowd yelled, “Woo hoo.”
Anderson will take as many woo-hoo days as he can get. He is coming off a 2008 that was enough to make a grown man cry.
His spring of 2009 wasn’t much to look at, either, but training camp is here now. The first day the public was allowed in, Anderson performed as if poised to give Brady Quinn a serious run.
Or, if nothing else, Anderson seemed to be having fun.
In one drill restricted to the four quarterbacks on the roster, three of them lined up as wideouts while the remaining guy ran plays. The drill does two things, keeping all the QBs busy, and helping them understand what wide receivers think during routes.
On one play, Anderson pretended to be wide open near the goal line. Doing his best Randy Moss, he yelled, “Hey.” At that moment, Quinn threw him the ball. Anderson reached to knee level to make the catch, pretended to be engaged by defenders, and dramatically reached the ball over the goal stripe.
Nearby fans ate it up, giving Anderson a big cheer.
Head Coach Eric Mangini let out no clues as to where his quarterbacks stand, other than the fact Quinn took the first snaps the first time the team ran 11-on-11 drills in the first practice of training camp.
Verbally, Mangini made this bland declaration:
“They’ll get an equal amount of reps, equally distributed through the different sessions.”
In the spring, Mangini said huddle presence and pre-snap decisions are key to who wins the quarterback job.
Some viewed this as Mangini hinting at an edge for Quinn, but as day one of camp unfolded, a thought occurred. Whereas Quinn in theory has more natural savvy in these areas, perhaps Mangini was sending a message to Anderson.
Perhaps the message was: Everyone can see you have a bigger arm; get your head in the game.
Whether it was a message or not, Anderson had an impressive morning practice. Quinn looked better than he did in the spring, but Anderson seemed to have the better first session.
Saturday signaled the end of a gap between spring minicamp and training camp.
QBS IN EARLY
Brady Quinn touched on the fact he and Derek Anderson have been practicing since the rookies arrived Monday.
“That plays into how today’s practice went,” Quinn said after both quarterbacks looked sharp. “The quarterbacks could play more confident, more smooth, direct things around.”
Quinn said he notices a better rapport with teammates as he accumulates some NFL miles.
“It’s incredibly different,” he said, “especially with the linemen and some of the veteran guys. They get a sense of who you are.”
At that point, Quinn threw in a plug for the new regime.
“I think one of the things Coach Mangini has done is help our team become more cohesive ... knowing each other, knowing more about them,” he said. “So when you come on the field you understand what’s at stake for each player.”
EDWARDS UPDATE
Braylon Edwards hinted that he may not be on the nonfootball injury list long.
Edwards smiled thinly when asked if he was hurt playing basketball.
“Ask Coach Mangini,” he said.
Neither the wideout nor Eric Mangini gave any clues on what the injury is.
Edwards said he will practice when new trainer Joe Sheehan says he can.
“That’s all I’m waiting for right now,” Edwards said.
LIFE WITHOUT WINSLOW
Braylon Edwards said this of hitting camp without tight end Kellen Winslow Jr.:
“As it relates to football, we’re gonna miss his presence, because he took coverages away. He allowed teams not to double team so much. We had a nice balance going.
“When we were on the field at times, we were controlling defenses, doing what we wanted to do.”
PIZZA AND RETIREMENT
Guard-tackle Ryan Tucker admits he thought about retiring during the offseason, but he made light of it after putting in a full practice Saturday.
“I think about eating pizza every day, too, but I can’t,” he said. “(The retirement issue) is totally irrelevant right now. I’m here, standing on this grass, trying to get better, keeping my eyes on the prize.”
Tucker, 34, came to camp lighter than he has been in the past, and without that mountain man look, following a haircut and beard trim.
“I started cutting it and didn’t stop,” he said.
DRIP, DRIP, DRIP
It was a warm morning, not a scorcher, but the pace of Eric Mangini’s first training camp was hot.
Before the practice was 45 minutes old, steady drops of sweat dripped from the chins of offensive linemen as they dropped into their stances.
The players took note of the fact Mangini had them in full pads in the first practice on the first day of camp. That is not the NFL norm.
ACHILLES AFTERMATH
Defensive line Robaire Smith had the tools to be a good fit for Eric Mangini’s style of line play before he blew out an Achilles last year.
Now, going on 32, Smith must prove he can get back to where he was.
“Any rehab is hard,” said Smith, who is in uniform doing individual drills but isn’t diving into team drills yet. “It’s just a matter of whether a guy wants to put in the time and effort to get it right.
“Hopefully, when everything gets going, I’m out there playing with the guys.”
EXTRA POINTS
• Signing a day before the first full-squad workout bought a little good will for second-round draft pick Brian Robiskie. He took on the same work load as the other wideouts. He was used early and often in 11 on 11 drills and at one point caught a touchdown pass.
• Keep an eye on tight end John Madsen, a 26-year-old tight end who spent parts of three years with the Raiders before getting waived last November. He seems quick an sure-handed. On the final play of Brady Quinn’s shift in Saturday’s opening segment of 11-on-11s, Quinn went to Madsen for a 20-yard completion down the right sideline.
• Quinn apparently was alluding to getting drilled by Ohio State in a bowl game when he mentioned the preseason opener at Green Bay.
“We’ve got some payback there,” he said.
Linebacker A.J. Hawk, now with the Packers (and now his brother-in-law), was an Ohio State ringleader in that bowl game.
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One other thing I forgot to mention that came to me after reading that was the fact that the QBs and WRs aren't on the same page yet.
I know it's the first day, but early in 11 on 11 drills, I saw at least 3 plays where the receiver didn't break, the ball was thrown, and they kept going. Or didn't look back soon enough and the ball drilled them in the back of the head. Not sure who's fault it is, but they typically say it's on the WR.
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Thanks for the updates, all.
17, good point about the QBs and WRs not being on the same page. Now, if it's something that's still happening as the 1st and 2nd preseason games come on, then I'll start being concerned.
But I'd rather they make all the mistakes now.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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One other thing I forgot to mention that came to me after reading that was the fact that the QBs and WRs aren't on the same page yet.
I know it's the first day, but early in 11 on 11 drills, I saw at least 3 plays where the receiver didn't break, the ball was thrown, and they kept going. Or didn't look back soon enough and the ball drilled them in the back of the head. Not sure who's fault it is, but they typically say it's on the WR.
To be expected when everyone outside of Steptoe *and Braylon* is a new WR to the Browns.
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Tue Jul 28 2009 07:10 PM
Ammo: "Quinn's in training camp right now working with the rookies and the Jets who are in camp right now while DA is still on the golf course."
dong: "why assume that DA is on the golf course and paint him in a lackadaisical light when the guy is nursing a leg injury? again, link? sounds like an assumption to me.
Ammo: "Dude, I'm not ASSUMING."
And it's NOT wrong info."
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homer brown: "Dude, I don't doubt that he [Quinn] is a hard worker but saying stuff like this to make DA look bad is kind of lame."
Ammo: "I'm not making DA look bad.
But he really needs to get his ass into camp."
homer brown: "Neither was coachb. Sorry man, somebody with Quinn in his sig making a statement like you did doesn't really look great.
As I said before, I expect Quinn to be the QB of the season, but there's no reason to throw DA under the bus like that. "
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Ammo: "Difference is, you guys know where I'm currently interning at that would give me access to this sort of information."
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Brady Quinn touched on the fact he and Derek Anderson have been practicing since the rookies arrived Monday."
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maybe if you had a blog you'd be more believable 
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• Ryan Tucker, who admitted he contemplated retirement in the weeks before training camp, lined up exclusively at right guard.
Well, people are going to be happy that he stayed, but my concern is his frame of mind. Is his heart and head 100% in it?
Sounded for the most part to be a positive report, as well as the one from the main site. Except both made Beau Bell sound pretty bad.
Old adage:
If you're in, you're in
If you're out, you're out
If you can't decide............you're still out.
Tucker is fine as a backup, but he can't be counted on for anything. I loved him as a guard, but he's broken down, old, and waffling.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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So Ammo either made it up or works at a place which hands out bad information.
Ammo.............Which is it?
We know you're a Quinn-Homer. That isn't a problem. But now that you're supposedly in a position where you need to be objective................
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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So Ammo either made it up or works at a place which hands out bad information.
Ammo.............Which is it?
We know you're a Quinn-Homer. That isn't a problem. But now that you're supposedly in a position where you need to be objective................
I didn't make up anything, Roda tweeted it on Tuesday. Hell, the fact that he was right that Quinn and the former Jets were in early says something. I do know that DA did arrive sometime during the week but I stand by the report that Quinn was there from day one.
And I'm not a Quinn homer, I just think he's going to be the better QB.
Before anyone accuses me of going silent all day, I'm going to be gone working the Wing King Finals at BW3 in Strongsville all day.
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Have fun at the Wing Ding. You gonna take my (unsolicited and apparently ignored) advice about using a little more discretion as a media intern, or no? Well, I tried and either way I don't really care... . just trying to help a young fella out. This from Marla Ridenour. Quote:
Quinn, Anderson stay cool in competition
By Marla Ridenour
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BEREA: Considering coach Eric Mangini will dissect every fact to decide the winner of the Browns' quarterback competition, the training camp showdown between Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson actually began Monday. That's when the two reported to Berea, four days before the rest of the Browns' veterans.
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Have fun at the Wing Ding.
You gonna take my (unsolicited and apparently ignored) advice about using a little more discretion as a media intern, or no? Well, I tried and either way I don't really care... . just trying to help a young fella out.
This from Marla Ridenour.
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By Marla Ridenour
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BEREA: Considering coach Eric Mangini will dissect every fact to decide the winner of the Browns' quarterback competition, the training camp showdown between Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson actually began Monday. That's when the two reported to Berea, four days before the rest of the Browns' veterans.
I thought the rookies reported Friday or Saturday. Maybe that's what he's talking about.
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I didn't make up anything, Roda tweeted it on Tuesday. Hell, the fact that he was right that Quinn and the former Jets were in early says something.
It says he convieniently left out DA and you jumped on it like it was the gospel. There are truths and half-truths. Roda must have tweeted a half-truth. If you aspire to forgo the "traditional route" of knowing what you're talking about before you state "facts" then you're going to have to learn to dig a little deeper and rightly discern a truth from a half-truth and a fact from a rumor. It's the only path to being credible.
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I do know that DA did arrive sometime during the week but I stand by the report that Quinn was there from day one.
Regarding DA, you didn't know it as of Wednesday. And, he didn't arrive "sometime during the week". He arrived on Monday, the same day Quinn did. They were BOTH there "from day one". So you're going to stand on a half-truth and credit yourself for that? Dude, that reeks of being a politician, and an amateur one to boot.
Furthermore, you strongly applauded Quinn for being there Monday using it as proof/evidence that Quinn, "Wants it more." So would you say now that DA wants it just as much as Quinn, using his reporting date as evidence, as you did with Quinn?
As much as it may seem like it to you, I am not hi-jacking your thread.
The whole reason I did this was that since you started this thread and titled it, "Post Camp Reports Here", I wanted it to post the camp report (see: fact) that BOTH of our QB's were HERE FROM DAY ONE, and that it was not as some lowly wannabe sports expert (see: intern) claimed, that one of them was home playing golf inferring that he didn't care about the team.
If you want the attention, fame and credibility of having sources then they better be right, and you along with them.
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It's good to have footbalol back...Hopefully the best Players play, no matter what and I think Mangini will put the best players on the field. Just a note, I notice everyone overanalyzing DA and the picks. Someone should keep tally somehow. I know DA threw 2 TD's and had one picked on a miscommunication. Quinn has no TD's and threw 2 picks, one on an underthrow and one a great play by McDonald. Yet it seems people fail to mention that. This is what I gather so far. What I also don't understand is the belief that Mangini wants a QB that can throw on the move, when he wants lineman to beef up and be less agile(ST.Clair and Womack) and Steinny in a fight for his job. This would make me believe he wants a power running game and a protected pocket, where the lineman always no where the QB is. JMO It's good to see some use a non bias perspective when looking at the QB battle, but when reading these posts you can tell who has made up their minds already and conveniently leave facts out or skew to back up their position. May the best man win.
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Honestly, I don't care who got thier first, no matter which walked through the door first or second, they still have to prove it on the field.. I'm very glad that both got there early, started working and both seem to want the job.
I was watching Mangini on TV this morning in his first day presser.,, he was as non commital as ever and at this point, not sure what else anyone could expect.
The show I was watching is Training camp Daily and it's on STO. In fact, it's going to play again at Noon today..
Decent look at the first day of camp,, Dieken, Grossi and Donovan host the show and while it's safe to say that It's not hard hitting sports reporting, it's at least news and video and some pressers with Quinn, Anderson, Mangini and Roboskie..
Did see one clip of Harrison making everyone look foolish.,,,, I'm both happy and sad by that...LOL
And you could clearly see the hitting.. Nothing like Camp RAC.. Nothing at all.. not even close from what little I could see..
Watch it if you get a chance..
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exactly, ddubia. i'm very encouraged by what i've read about training camp and i'm starting to think there could be a great qb battle here. while it's been no secret that i think DA could be a great qb, what has been frustrating about the avg fan's take of the two qbs is how, because quinn is deemed the hard worker, that automatically made DA not a hard worker; either because he has the big arm so he's painted as a guy who relies on his natural abilities or because he's a goof so he doesn't take things seriously. people don't seem to realize that the media will report what they want so long as they're not wrong. they can "report" (read: tweet) that quinn worked hard with his rooks, implying that DA wasn't there, yet the truth comes out and we see that DA is working just as hard. i strongly believe that DA has been working his butt off since 07 but just because the media doesn't report it, fans assume quinn has been working harder. whatever, this is the offseason to finally pick a qb and from the reading of the battles, they're going to really push each other and both should get better. so glad tc started, one step closer to seeing more football 
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