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If Brady Quinn doesn't win, we have a bad QB situation.

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I wouldn't say we have a 'bad QB' situation...just an 'average' situation...and that has no bearing on Quinn winning any competition.

Neither guy has ever really impressed me. IMO we have two mediocre QB's on our squad.

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If Brady Quinn doesn't win, we have a bad QB situation.

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I wouldn't say we have a 'bad QB' situation...just an 'average' situation...and that has no bearing on Quinn winning any competition.

Neither guy has ever really impressed me. IMO we have two mediocre QB's on our squad.

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I think they are worse than mediocre, but obviously that's JMO.

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i wonder if there is a battle between pool and adams. i bring this up just because i haven't read much at all about pool.

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Aug 4 2009 | 2:14:31 pm
Browns S Mike Adams continues to provide blanket coverage in drills. He is battling for a starting spot.

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Theoretically, WE (the fans) could ruin this season if we don't support WHOEVER the starter ends up being.

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I completly agree I will support whoever the starting QB will be

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j/c

I think we might wanna buy into the fact that DA may end up being our starting QB. I shudder to think of the reaction if and when that happens, and if/when he makes a mistake. Theoretically, WE (the fans) could ruin this season if we don't support WHOEVER the starter ends up being.

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As long as the player's performance backs up the management team's decisions... we fans are irrelevent, and things will be good.

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That's very true as well.

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On an off note, my picture is in the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

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Holcomb v. Couch
Dilfer v. Frye
Frye v. DA
DA. v. Quinn

Sick of this this. Whoever wins this qb battle, I hope the other one is not with the Browns next season.

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I don't care if the other is with the Browns next year...I just hope whoever wins does such a phenomenal job that it renders any argument against them moot.

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Holcomb v. Couch
Dilfer v. Frye
Frye v. DA
DA. v. Quinn

Sick of this this. Whoever wins this qb battle, I hope the other one is not with the Browns next season.

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I don't care if the other is with the Browns next year...I just hope whoever wins does such a phenomenal job that it renders any argument against them moot.

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We dont need a clear cut winner. Mangini can always just flip a coin

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??? Just how many games has BQ. played in or started ? Or maybe I should ask , how many Quarters ??

How the devil can anyone Know what the Kid can do ? Really ?

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What happened: In full uniform, team drills were devoted to third- and fourth-down situations and two-minute drills at the end. WR Paul Hubbard caught everything in sight for the second day in a row. Rookie WR Brian Robiskie suffered three drops in a five-play sequence. Nine players "ran" laps for errors.

Quarterback derby: It's easy to understand why Eric Mangini maintains the competition is still a dead heat. Statistically, there was little difference between Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn. Here's how we charted their work in third- and fourth-down situations: Anderson converted 4 of 9 times (once on a scramble) and had one interception. Quinn converted 4 of 9 times (once on a James Davis run) and had one interception. In the two-minute drill at the end, Anderson moved the No. 1 offense (against No. 1 defense) from the 44-yard line to the defense's 30. Quinn moved the No. 2 offense only three yards in four plays.

Injury report: WR Braylon Edwards (non-football injury) and LB David Bowens (undisclosed) worked with trainers. CB Don Carey (shoulder) and FB Charles Ali (undisclosed) did not practice.

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Berea—Most observers sloughed off Braylon Edwards starting training camp on the non-football injury list. Some thought he would be cleared to practice and would resume working rather quickly.

However, Edwards has now missed six practices, not to mention the June minicamps due to an unspecified injury believed to not be serious.

Eric Mangini would offer no timeline for his return to the field.

“We’ll keep evaluating it and when he’s ready, he’ll be out there,” Mangini said.

Last year, Edwards was stepped on by Donte Stallworth and it ended up costing him the preseason and seemed to set the tone for a down season. Edwards had just 55 receptions in 2008 and three touchdowns, as opposed to 2007 when he had 16 touchdown catches alone.

Mangini would not comment on Edwards, particularly, but said he was pleased with the progress of all the injured players.

“I’m satisfied with all of the players that are trying to get back,” he said. “Every player is different and situation is different. You want every player to be out there at all times.”

The more time Edwards is away, the more time it tends to take to get in sync with the offense.

Mangini said that a missing player makes the team learn to adjust when players are injured.

“It’s no different in the season when someone goes down and you have to make some adjustments,” he said. “He has to be cleared by the medical staff and then he comes off the list.”

Mangini was asked why he won’t disclose any information concerning injuries.

“One of the things we try to do with injuries is not to set timetables because everyone is different,” he said. “Also, for competitive situations. I’ve been in situations where someone was supposed to play and they didn’t.”

Update on LBs: Mangini was asked about the progress of last year’s fourth-round draft choice Beau Bell and also Leon Williams. Mangini said he has been pleased with both, but indicated most players need to make their mark on special teams.

“Both of those guys have made some progress,” Mangini said. “Beau is getting the experience and the work . I’ve seen some progress with both he and Williams in the run game.

“Williams is good in space,” he said. “I’m encouraged with both guys and they have to establish themselves in duties on special teams.”

D’Qwell the Leader: Mangini said that LB D’Qwell Jackson is developing into a leader on the defense.

“He’s really good at setting an example,” he said. “Whether it’s running to the football or communicating. His work ethic is excellent, as well, when he’s not in the building.”

Jackson is not known for being vocal on the field or in the locker room, but Mangini said that doesn’t matter.

“Each guy can be a leader,” he said. “Everybody has a capacity in leadership in their own way.”

No Time Line for Line: Mangini said he has no time set for naming the starting five offensive line.

“I think that will happen organically,” Mangini said. “As they get more reps, that will work itself out along the line. I’m not sure when that will be set.”

Some schools of thought feel since the line is five of the 11 positions, it is important to have them working in concert as soon as possible.

There has been combinations among as many as eight different players in training camp thus far: Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, Hank Fraley, Floyd Womack, Ryan Tucker, John St. Clair, Rex Hadnot and Alex Mack.

“The first priority is to get it right and once that is together, we’ll go from there.”

Mangini was asked about Mack and he compared his adjustment to the NFL similarly to Nick Mangold in his rookie year with the Jets.

“(Mack’s) pretty similar to the rookies I’ve been with,” he said. “Nick Mangold continually snapped the ball early when he was a rookie.”

Mangold started as a rookie with the Jets after being a first-round draft choice.

“(At center), you have to make the calls and everything builds off of that. It takes some time. In terms of penalty laps –the rookie class in general—it’s a new environment, a new system and it’s good to see when those guys make the transition.”

No Tweeting for Mangini: The coach was asked about Facebook and Twitter in regards to his players giving out information.

“I don’t have Facebook or a Twitter page, but I know it’s out there,” Mangini said. “There are avenues out there to communicate.”

What if a player reveals information that he doesn’t want known, like an injury?

“All I would say if they put something out there, they are responsible for it.”

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Start Quinn.... Simple....

He may not have the arm that Anderson has... but he has other things that can help our team win...

IMO.. Quinn is better than a lot of starting QB's in the league.. I don't have a lot of proof to that, seeing that he hasn't played a WHOLE lot... but.. I'd rather start Quinn.. than Jackson/ Rosenfals.. Kyle Orton, Jamarcus Russell, Chad Pennington, San Fran's QB, Hasselback, Bill's QB, etc...

Trade Anderson while you can.. and get his contract off of our payroll...

Quinn can win games... Will win games...

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- WR Braylon Edwards and OLB David Bowens rode the stationary bikes throughout the practice session.

- FB Charles Ali and rookie DB Don Carey were not on the practice fields.

- Numerous players ran laps due to mistakes in the practice session. LT Joe Thomas and RT John St. Clair for false starts, NT Shaun Rogers for being offside, C Dustin Fry for a bad snap, QB Derek Anderson and C Hank Fraley ran a lap together when there was a communication issue in a hurry-up drill, Gerald Lawson (unknown), Branndon Braxton (unknown).

- WR Paul Hubbard had yet another solid practice session. Gaining reps with a mix of what can be construed as the starting offensive unit, Hubbard caught passes in the hurry-up/two-minute and regular 11-on-11 drills. In this, his second training camp, Hubbard is getting in and out of cuts much quicker and more powerfully, while gaining improved body control in routes. Additionally, correcting a problem he has had prior to the past two practice sessions, the WR is not permitting the ball to get to his body as his hands and fingers are extended. One of Hubbard's receptions came as the result of a Brady Quinn check-down, as the pass hit Hubbard in stride on a crossing route which the middle of the field was wide open.

- Rookie WR Mohamed Massaquoi made a couple of nice receptions, one in traffic and the other on a crossing route from Quinn that would have gone for a major gain in game conditions.

- Sure-handed rookie WR Brian Robiskie dropped one ball today and nearly caught two others that were off target.

- QB's Quinn and Anderson did nothing to separate themselves in the practice session today. Both players made some solid reads and passes as well a number of mistakes, including inaccurate and intercepted passes. It is not that both players are performing poorly; at this juncture neither player is having a great camp, more so workmanlike geared for progress in the coming weeks.

- Quinn threw an ill-advised pass down the seam attempted for TE Aaron Walker, which S Abe Elam read and intercepted.

- LB D'Qwell Jackson continues to have an outstanding training camp. On this day, Jackson made the correct read on a couple running plays, dropped off into coverage filling a lane and intercepted an Anderson pass, which he tipped and dove to make the INT. Also, during a break in the session, the LB was on the sideline talking with former head coach Buddy Ryan, father of Browns defensive coordinator Rob Ryan.

- Rookie RB James Davis continues to do the little things well when, combined with his productive start to camp carrying the ball, has made him a player to watch. The vision and one-cut burst to daylight has been discussed by any and all watching this team the past few days -- but on this day Davis again showed some special qualities.

On a couple plays, Davis maintained his responsibility, then slid out of the backfield to catch a couple passes in team drills. Lining up in the same role, Davis picked up the blitz, enabling Quinn to complete a strike to Hubbard.

As we see in many camp settings, a player will do things on the individual level which gains notice, then fizzles when team drills or the defense begins to key on the situation. Presently, Davis looks tremendous; let's see if this carries over when the 11-on-11 drills become much more intense and schemed.

- With the CB's rotating in and out of the starting role, veteran Corey Ivy has been productive in coverage. He and Rod Hood provide improved talent, and an ability to play within what is going to be a somewhat more complex and attacking defense.

- With NT Shaun Rogers on the field, there is no denying the big man. Rogers fought off double and triple teams in drills -- and was successful in disrupting the play. On the first play of the team session, Rogers blew up the gap between OG Eric Steinbach and Fraley to nail RB Jamal Lewis behind the line of scrimmage.

In other team and individual blocking drills, Rogers was far too much for Fraley and rookie Alex Mack -- though Mack did improve in a latter battle, but still, advantage Rogers.

- Quietly, Robaire Smith continues to forge ahead in his return from a severed Achilles tendon a season ago. Looking strong and mobile, Smith has been strong at the point of attack -- and again on this day had a couple epic battles with All-Pro Joe Thomas.

- Finally, DE Corey Williams is making some noise. Quiet for the most part early in camp, Williams was a force in blocking drills and took reps with the first

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IF Anderson's short game has developed and has gotten the mental aspect of the game, then he is almost as dangerous as you get.
If you take away the long ball like all defense have since mid-'07 - his big threat - then he can still turn to the short to intermediate range to beat you... which forces you to not cover as deep... which is where a Braylon, or a speedster like Hubbard, can kill you.

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I agree purp

IF that's true then why would you not start him?

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i know i spent a lot of time detailing all the comebacks he led in 07.

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IMO.. Quinn is better than a lot of starting QB's in the league

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IMO.. Quinn is better than a lot of starting QB's in the league

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I haven't seen enough of anything that makes me feel that good about Quinn,, but I sure as hell hope you are right.

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Just watch his feet

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I like Anderson.. don't get me wrong.. but I just know the Cleveland fans... the first game we are trying to make a push for a W.. and he throws an INT.. or loses the ball for a turnover... the Quinn chants will start again!!! He is just in a situation where he can't win...

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So because fans are stupid we should adhere to their wishes and not pay attention to the competition? If Quinn wins the competition, then he should start, but if Anderson wins, he should start, no matter what the fans think or what they may or may not do during games.

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Trade Anderson, play Quinn. Makes sense until Quinn stinks it up. Not saying it will happen but until one of these two guys proves that they are they guy, or until both prove that they aren't the guy, you hold onto both and play whichever one the coaches believe gives us the best chance to win.

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