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Exactly. So his mistakes will be compounded by the boo-birds and his confidence and willingness to play for this fanbase will wane as the season goes on. Not a good thing you want your starting QB to have to endure, regardless of your personal feelings toward him.
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So because fans are stupid we should adhere to their wishes and not pay attention to the competition? If Quinn wins the competition, then he should start, but if Anderson wins, he should start, no matter what the fans think or what they may or may not do during games.
If you were Anderson.. and everytime you turned over the ball.. and heard chants of the other QB... You would get tired of hearing it...
He can try as hard as he can to shut up the Cleveland fans.. but it won't happen...
Yeah, I would get tired of it for sure. But he has a job to do and I am sure he will do his job to the best of his ability. The fans don't run the ship here. If we start playing certain players simply because the fans prefer them, then we will not win more than 5 games, if that.
If Anderson comes out and plays well, then most fans will hopefully be smart enough to keep their mouths shut. If he comes out and bombs then we won't need to worry about it because Quinn will be in soon enough.
I have no problem with Quinn starting if he wins the competition but I have a HUGE problem with him being handed the job because the fans don't like Anderson.
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Still hate that we couldn't win that game against the Bengals in 07' to seal a playoff birth.. 
You mean the one where Chud called pass all day? That's a crappy argument. If Quinn is as good as folks say he is then he'll win. If not DA gets another chance. If DA can't get it done then we go shopping next year.
As other have said, nobody has proven to be the starter yet. One will rise up, I don't care who it is, as long as they are chosen based on how well they do and not what fans say.
Mangini seems to be doing the right thing and forcing them to work hard and prove themselves. 
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Do you have me on ignore? I've addressed this twice.
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He can try as hard as he can to shut up the Cleveland fans.. but it won't happen...
some fans cheered when his knee got blown out. You know what, he's out there playing is best to try to win the start, so he looks like he doesn't care about what the fans say.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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If Anderson comes out and plays well, then most fans will hopefully be smart enough to keep their mouths shut. If he comes out and bombs then we won't need to worry about it because Quinn will be in soon enough.
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Me, too. I understand that a FO will listen and sometimes adhere to the fan's wishes if all else is equal, but the last thing I want is a FO that cowers to the fan base when it comes to picking a player, esp. a QB.
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I'm not even sure how anyone can come to that conclusion to be honest.
Neither do I.. in truth, I get a sense that Quinn may be the better QB in the long run.. But I absolutly could care less who wins the job as long we win games when they count..
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I like Anderson.. don't get me wrong.. but I just know the Cleveland fans... the first game we are trying to make a push for a W.. and he throws an INT.. or loses the ball for a turnover... the Quinn chants will start again!!! He is just in a situation where he can't win...
So because fans are stupid we should adhere to their wishes and not pay attention to the competition? If Quinn wins the competition, then he should start, but if Anderson wins, he should start, no matter what the fans think or what they may or may not do during games.
The one problem I have with your reply is that DA himself admitted the fans got to him. Maybe not in those exact words, but at the end of the season he commented about the fans hating him. From what I've seen over the past couple years, DA is not a strong willed guy. He let Winslow disrupt the huddle which now appears to be quite a lot. The boos bother him. The fans opinion might not matter, but DA has got to be able to deal with it, and I don't think he has the makeup to do it.
Even in his pressers, when asked about the competition, he seems agitated. Not just tired of hearing about it, but IMO it gets under his skin.
Quinn is baffling me more and more. He must have some talent, because his college career was very good. His first game last year he looked very poised and in control. His knock is arm strength, yet he has hit a reciever in stride throwing at least fifty yards in practice. This being said, the reports you read seem to paint him as struggling. IMO he has to win this job convincingly, or he is not worth the value placed on him at the time of his drafting.
For me, I hope that whoever wins, the other guy is traded immediately. It is time to stick with one guy win or lose. As long as there is another guy in the wings, the controversy will continue, and I think it hurts the team overall in many ways. If these guys are that close, I think you have to go with the experienced guy.
I was hoping Quinn would settle the QB thing once and for all, but if he can't flat out beat DA in a competition, I say trade him now and go with DA and Ratcliff.
I have never believed the saying that if you have two QBs you have none, but it has been playing out that way for 10 years now and I am starting to believe it is true.
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For me, I hope that whoever wins, the other guy is traded immediately.
Why?
Especially on a team that has seen a QB make it through the season once in the last decade...
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I was just thinking about Edwards, and something hit me. He was said to "sprain" his ankle playing B-ball during the OTA's or minicamp, can't remember. But then a month passes and training camp starts and he's still out with the same injury, supposedly. To me it sounds like the dreaded "high ankle sprain". It to me is the only thing that makes sense. Guys try to recover from them for months, and playing with it only makes it last longer. IMO that's what he is going thru. I think the trainers are holding him back as long as possible to make sure he is 100% healed so that it doesn't continue to be a problem into the regular season. Does this make sense to anybody else?
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The one problem I have with your reply is that DA himself admitted the fans got to him. Maybe not in those exact words, but at the end of the season he commented about the fans hating him.
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From what I've seen over the past couple years, DA is not a strong willed guy. He let Winslow disrupt the huddle which now appears to be quite a lot. The boos bother him.
Uh, once again do you have a source for this or is this form CoachB? Not trying to call you out but if the talk was the other way lots of folks would ask for a source. Let's keep this discussion based on facts and not let it turn into brownschat.
If the boos really bothered him that much, why hasn't he asked for a trade? the folks cheered when he got hurt, if he really was that bitter about it, why stay?
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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j/c... In regards to the comments that Anderson should not let the fans get to him.. he has a job to do... And that fans shouldn't dictate who plays... Fans don't dictate who plays.. we know that.. But the QB position is that ONE position, that gets amplified.... You have to be poised and be able to take the heat... I'm sure it would be easier if he got booed by opposing team fans... but to get booed by your own fans.. is almost like your parents telling you that you will never be anything in life.. lol.. Its hard to deal with and tough to swallow.. If he didn't get that contract... I wouldn't be surprised if he would have asked to be traded.. but ... maybe it was just an off year for everybody... our team team as a whole stunk it up pretty bad... It was sad... You hope your favorite team has enough to beat the better teams in the league.. but 08.. that just didn't happen.. (except one game... GIANTS!!!  ) Can't wait til preseason so we can ALL see who does what on the field.. Then we can talk..
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I keep clicking on this topic in the foolish hopes someone has added camp news
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I was just thinking about Edwards, and something hit me. He was said to "sprain" his ankle playing B-ball during the OTA's or minicamp, can't remember. But then a month passes and training camp starts and he's still out with the same injury, supposedly. To me it sounds like the dreaded "high ankle sprain". It to me is the only thing that makes sense. Guys try to recover from them for months, and playing with it only makes it last longer. IMO that's what he is going thru. I think the trainers are holding him back as long as possible to make sure he is 100% healed so that it doesn't continue to be a problem into the regular season. Does this make sense to anybody else?
thats what I was thinking.. glad we drafted two pretty decent WR's...
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Can't wait til preseason so we can ALL see who does what on the field.. Then we can talk..
Amen, Turk.
I know I'm excited as hell to hear anything out of camp. Like the James Davis news. Because it's the start of football season.
But as far as the QBs go, show me what you do when it matters. I'll wait for next Saturday before I start thinking about who may be the man.
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As a lot of you say the Browns only had a winning season in 07 b/c of our schedule...
Anderson played against tier 2 defenses... and had great guys to throw the ball too... Edwards wasn't dropping the ball.. and KII was in his prime... Not to mention Jamal Lewis made defenses play honest b/c he has a pretty good year...
I like Anderson.. don't get me wrong.. but I just know the Cleveland fans... the first game we are trying to make a push for a W.. and he throws an INT.. or loses the ball for a turnover... the Quinn chants will start again!!! He is just in a situation where he can't win...
Still hate that we couldn't win that game against the Bengals in 07' to seal a playoff birth..
If you're going to knock Anderson for his performance in '07 because he had it good (easy schedule, no major injuries, receivers catching everything, etc), then you have to defend his '08 play with the very same logic. Ridiculous schedule, injuries, receivers dropping balls and not being in the right spot, etc.
I personally don't care whether it's DA or Quinn, let the better man win.
Also, I want to give a huge, huge thanks to everyone giving camp observations-- DT, Eo and everyone else, you know who you are.
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No problem Hasu.
I'll be there again Saturday. I can't get there during the week because of work.
I enjoy reading what others observe for 2 reasons:
-You can only read the same article rehashed by 5 writers so many times, so just the direct observations are juicy, tender morsels of info that I drool over this time of year.
-It's also interesting see other posters' observations. Are they seeing the same things I am?
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should not let the fans get to him.. he has a job to do... And that fans shouldn't dictate who plays...
I think Braylon should do the same thing but that's a different subject 
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-It's also interesting see other posters' observations. Are they seeing the same things I am?
Haven't you learned by now that the answer is a big, fat NO? 
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Yeah, I'm right, they're wrong. 
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I keep clicking on this topic in the foolish hopes someone has added camp news
I second that, I could have sworn the title of this thread was " Post camp reports here "
 
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Yeah, I'm right, they're wrong.
No, I meant with the things you saw last season...because I recall you and I seeing similar things that others didn't.
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I really can't stand our QB situation,........... another year, another battle for mediocracy. It sickens me. 
While the Bengals and Steelers have franchise QBs and the Ravens have a guy that performed well as a rookie and showed some real promise.
Basement again? Most likely.
The QB carousel is getting dizzy and making me sick.
Diam would preach patience here for his boy. I hope he'd be right and Quinn is just waiting to hit his stride.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Yeah, I'm right, they're wrong.
No, I meant with the things you saw last season...because I recall you and I seeing similar things that others didn't.
Ahhhh, now I see where you're going.
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If you're going to knock Anderson for his performance in '07 because he had it good (easy schedule, no major injuries, receivers catching everything, etc), then you have to defend his '08 play with the very same logic. Ridiculous schedule, injuries, receivers dropping balls and not being in the right spot, etc.
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I couldn't agree more Calzone ... this topic of conversation has gotten very, VERY, old.
Like some other's have mentioned above, I do not think we have our franchise QB in camp ... only time will tell.
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with regards to the broncos game, the difficulty i have in using that as evidence is two-fold and both folds have been exhaustively covered. if it's good enough evidence for you to say he's an accurate qb, who am i to say otherwise. personally, i completely disagree. i think the combination of the team preparing for deep passes from DA as well as the lack of pressure in a soft zone coverage game plan from the league's 30th ranked defense is enough to make most qbs shine.
You didn't really hear what I said. No amount of your competitor preparing for a different QB is going to help you hit your receivers in stride. A lack of pressure can help but it's never helped DA. I wasn't talking about receivers getting open vs. a bad defense and Quinn taking advantage of it. I was talking about the accuracy of his throws. I was talking about hitting receivers and running backs in stride; placing the ball where they can easily catch it without altering their running motion or their momentum, or having to twist their bodies or heads around taking their eyes too far off downfield. That is something we've rarely ever seen from DA and he's faced his share of bad defenses as well.
Your're right about the Quinn vs. the Donks terrible defense having been exhaustively covered. But that's not at all what I was referring to.
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Eh. I have been a D.A. fan for a long time. Still am. Fans DO make a difference. If they didn't, there wouldn't be any reason teams wanted home field advantage...
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no i heard you. i'm saying those factors made him being able to hit his receivers in stride easier. are you hearing me? he can't do it NOW, in practice, where there is even less of a threat of getting hit than the broncos game, when his job depends on it.
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Has anybody seen the training camp thread *looking around*
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Do you have me on ignore? I've addressed this twice.
If he does, he likely won't answer your question ...
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“I’m satisfied with all of the players that are trying to get back,” he said. “Every player is different and situation is different. You want every player to be out there at all times.”
Is coach implying that there are players not trying to get back?
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yep, in the middle of a training camp update thread, a QB debate broke out- go figure. Nothing new to read here.
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To get us back on track web page Browns camp update: Braylon Edwards finally practices Scott Petrak Browns receiver Braylon Edwards practiced this morning for the first time in training camp. Within the first few minutes of practice, he showed good agility, then lowered a shoulder into rookie safety Bret Lockett during a tackling drill. Edwards, who had been out since the final minicamp in June with what’s believed to be an ankle injury, missed four days and six practices. He was due to report to Berea on July 27, but didn’t show until July 28. On Saturday, Edwards and coach Eric Mangini said they had discussed the infraction and moved on, but he was subject to a fine of up to $17,000. The team’s policy is to not reveal fines. Read Thursday’s Chronicle for more on Browns training camp.
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Please don't hijack this QB thread with reports from training camp.  Glad to see BE is practicing. The more time he can get in there, the better.
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Glad to see BE is practicing. The more time he can get in there, the better.
Welcome Back Braylon, Now get to work!
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If they determine DA is the QB I will support him, but I think he should change his name and jersey number then, and everyone would think we brought in someone new.
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August 5 10:33 ET Browns QB Brady Quinn has looked a bit sharper on his short throws today. He has been slightly outperformed by Derek Anderson in camp so far.
August 5 10:05 ET Browns WR Browns WR Braylon Edwards continues to show no rust from missing the first four days of practice. He just leaped over DB Gerard Lawson to snag a TD pass from Derek Anderson.
August 5 9:57 ET As usual, Browns LB D'Qwell Jackson is blanketing receivers in 7-on-7 drills.
August 5 9:57 ET Browns backup QB Brett Ratliff smoked a scoring strike to WR Mike Furrey, then rushed over to give him a full-body celebration bump.
August 5 9:55 ET Browns glacier-sized Pro Bowl NT Shaun Rogers is taking another "punishment lap" that can be timed with a calendar.
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