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Given what Mangini appears to want to do on offense Quinn's skill set seems to fit better.
The 'appearance' of what Mangini wants to do is - IMO - a product of the media.
I feel we saw the same thing when RAC came to town...everyone just assumed that he'd be doing this or that based on his time and surroundings in N.E.
I've heard quotes and seen evidence that could make several vastly different cases as to what he wants to do on offense.
For my money, what he wants to do will 'appear' when we start playing games.
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Given what Mangini appears to want to do on offense Quinn's skill set seems to fit better.
The 'appearance' of what Mangini wants to do is - IMO - a product of the media.
I feel we saw the same thing when RAC came to town...everyone just assumed that he'd be doing this or that based on his time and surroundings in N.E.
I've heard quotes and seen evidence that could make several vastly different cases as to what he wants to do on offense.
For my money, what he wants to do will 'appear' when we start playing games.
To split the two sides, if Mangini and the OC are actually good at what they do, they'll adapt parts of the offense to what Anderson does best if he wins the job, or adapt the offense to Quinn if he wins the job. So what we'll see in the regular season is going be based on what offensive plays fit best to either guy.
That'd simply mean the tendancies would favor Anderson with longer throws from the pocket while Quinn would be involved with shorter ones from a mobile standpoint. Clearly, there wouldn't be an exclusive playbook for each guy, as Anderson would run boots and Quinn would throw bombs. However, if these coaches know what they are doing, they'll let each guy do what he does best.
I will say this much regarding the debate: If Anderson can somehow figure out the underneath stuff, he's clearly the best option for us. If he can't, then the biggest question is Quinn's accuracy beyond the dink-dunk area. If Quinn fails in that regard, we're looking for a new QB next year. 
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cbssportsline quick reports
6:33 ET
Derek Anderson is serving as QB with the first team in the Browns evening practice.
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Do you all see my boy MoMass on the homepage catching the ball w his hands??!!!
I thought you were ticked during the draft when we drafted him?
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i was ticked when we didn't resign Sean Jones too... lol...
But I have to cheer on my Georgia dawg...
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i was ticked when we didn't resign Sean Jones too... lol...
But I have to cheer on my Georgia dawg...
Of course you gotta cheer him, but as someone who knows him better than us, do you think he'll do anything for us?
I'm just pumped Braylon is out there doing some work!
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The guy has potential for sure... I wasn't really a fan of him.. b/c he has let me down at times by dropping passes he should easily catch. IMPORTANT PASSES at that (but every pass is important)..... but I must admit.. last year.. He did a heck of a lot better... So i'm hoping for the best...
GO BROWNS!!!
I'm really hoping our young WR's can take over the depth charts.. kind of like how Easy E and B-Mac did at corner....
1) Braylon
2) Robo
3) MoMass
4) Cribbs
5) Hubbard
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My thoughts for those of you who didn't read my occasionally inane tweets.
Anderson was with the first team tonight and he was HORRIFIC. He was holding onto the ball and would have been sacked if it were truly live situations. He missed a receiver who wasn't even being covered.
Robiskie had an athletic grab on a deep ball. Then he had a ball bounce off his hands that turned into a pick.
Everyone was in uppers and shorts, so there wasn't much contact this session. The receiver vs. DB drills were easily the most interesting part of camp besides the 11 on 11 drills.
Braylon Edwards was in a whole other stratosphere compared to the rest of the receiving core.
I liked the situational drill at the end of practice where there was 1 second on the clock, 4th down from the 5 yard line. Both Anderson and Quinn threw TD's, but Quinn got the ball out faster while Anderson likely would have been sacked had the situation been live.
Really, Anderson held the ball like Roethlisberger tonight.
I did see a more ferocious passrush tonight. Eric Wright "sacked" DA on a corner blitz but I did notice the D put more heat on the QB. Since I know our line isn't atrocious, I see that as a good sign for the D.
I love James Davis. If I played Fantasy Football he'd be my late round sleeper. He cuts on a dime and shows great vision.
I'm not impressed with Jamal Lewis, though.
Overall I liked the tempo of the practice. No one specifically really stood out to me besides Braylon. The QB's weren't necessarily great but Quinn won by default cuz Anderson was so terrible.
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Anderson was with the first team tonight and he was HORRIFIC.
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The QB's weren't necessarily great but Quinn won by default cuz Anderson was so terrible.
Says the guy with a Quinn sig since he was drafted. 
I'll le the experts tell me the truth, which is that Anderson has performed better thus far. I really don't care who wins the job, but the bottom line is that Anderson has gotten much better reviews than Quinn.
Granted it is VERY early in the evaluation process, but don't let your obvious bias cloud the extremely anticipated camp updates. The problem is that your observations bleed Quinn love, which makes them null.
“It doesn't make sense to hire smart people and tell them what to do; we hire smart people so they can tell us what to do.” -Steve Jobs.
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I'm actually more interested in the WR battles than anything else. It's really up in the air.
You don't think Furrey will make it? I think he could make a nice slot guy for us. Leggett is another guy who is a little interesting. Haven't heard anything on Patten. Sounding like he may not be a front runner for us.
Cribbs is the wild card here. He needs to make it as a WR, especially with himself wanting a big payday. If he can't beat out one of these guys, there goes his money.
I guess we need to wait for the preseason and not get ahead of ourselves, though.
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The QB's weren't necessarily great but Quinn won by default cuz Anderson was so terrible.
Says the guy with a Quinn sig since he was drafted.
I'll le the experts tell me the truth, which is that Anderson has performed better thus far. I really don't care who wins the job, but the bottom line is that Anderson has gotten much better reviews than Quinn.
Granted it is VERY early in the evaluation process, but don't let your obvious bias cloud the extremely anticipated camp updates. The problem is that your observations bleed Quinn love, which makes them null.
Are you serious?
Never have I EVER showed a blind loyalty toward Quinn. Hell this time last year I was all for giving Anderson his shot. Wanna know why I have the sig? Cuz BrowniePoints wasn't using it anymore and I don't know how to use Photoshop, so he let me use it!
I called it like I saw it tonight. Anderson was truly bad and Quinn wasn't awful but he wasn't spectacular either.
Is that really biased? Nope.
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did Hubbard make any more plays tonight? really hoping he continues to play well (always liked him in college and he and Braylon could put a beating on DB's on running plays as both guys can block well)
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did Hubbard make any more plays tonight? really hoping he continues to play well (always liked him in college and he and Braylon could put a beating on DB's on running plays as both guys can block well)
Actually I forgot to mention yes he did...he got by a DB and caught a deep ball.
Him, Edwards, Robiskie and Cribbs were the recipients of deep passes, with Robiskie diving for one.
Cribbs abused Hood on that play too.
Eric Wright v. Braylon Edwards 1 on 1 was an interesting battle to watch too...Wright held his own for awhile before Braylon cut off his route and made a comeback to the ball.
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I've said this before, but Furrey was our best wide out when I was there.
And Ammo, don't deny your Quinn bias. I have some as well, as I prefer him over DA but I am able to overcome it and be honest. Just last week you were caught in a lie that made Quinn look better than DA.
Having bias isn't bad, but denying it and giving into it is.
With that said, I won't go so far as to say that I don't believe what you said. It is possible, though very rarely does DA hold the ball too long.
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I've said this before, but Furrey was our best wide out when I was there.
though very rarely does DA hold the ball too long.
perhaps the defensive backs weren't open?  
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The deadbate on here and some other threads have me watching Mangini to see whether he designs the (his) system around the talent.. OR.. the talent around the (his) system
There is a major difference and I believe that it's crucial. I see that Toad alludes to that somewhat in his earlier post up the page.
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And Ammo, don't deny your Quinn bias. I have some as well, as I prefer him over DA but I am able to overcome it and be honest. Just last week you were caught in a lie that made Quinn look better than DA.
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That’s what one of the veteran Browns watchers inside the gallery ropes throught when he watched No. 10 come up short on a bomb over the middle to Braylon Edwards this evening.
Quinn was running the No. 2 offense, where Edwards is spending 15 minutes to satisfy protocol since he missed four days of camp.
Edwards got behind rookie Coye Franceis on the throw, but had to wait a split second. Franceis closed and was flagged for interference — officials have been present throughout camp.
My eyes don’t have enough X-ray to have agreed with the tired-arm bit. I’ve seen Quinn underthrow and overthrow guys on deep balls during the five days, and put some on the money.
With help from the penalty, it was a drive on which Quinn took the Browns the length of the field, almost. He threw a nice ball over the middle that led second-year tight end Paul Hubbard.
Near the goal line, he almost hit a pass to Paul Hubbard at the back of the end zone, but cornerback Gerard Lawson tipped it away.
The fellas were wearing shorts in the evening session, and you always hesitate to read much into that.
Derek Anderson didn’t match the hot pace he set in the first couple days of camp today, but he seemed pretty accurate when I was watching him. He always throws with zip.
- No. 3 QB Brett Ratliff has had a quiet camp after some misguided buzz that he might horn into the race for No. 1.
Ratliff is a likeable fellow who had a laugh today about last year’s preseason game at Cleveland.
He was a Jet then, with Brett Favre on his way in, and Chad Pennington on his way out.
“It was my coming-out party,” said Ratliff, who played three quarters and had a monster game. His first pass as an NFL quarterback was in that game, a 71-yarder to David Clowney.
- U2’s “Beautiful Day” filled the air late in the evening practice. The hits keep coming. Mangini’s idea is to make it hard to communicate, as it is in a noisy stadium. The defensive linemen tell me they really do have a hard time hearing what their teammates are yelling on the field.
- The evening crowd was awfully quiet, which maybe you get sometimes when you practice in shorts. Braylon Edwards made a lovely one-handed catch that drew absolutely no reaction. It wasn’t an 11-on-11 catch, but still …
http://blogs.cantonrep.com/2009/08/freshbrownies/quinns-arm-tired/
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Just last week you were caught in a lie that made Quinn look better than DA.
I wasn't lying about anything. I was reporting what I heard.
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Ignore that, Saint. It ws nothing more than a reoccuring moment of temporary insanity  Mangini and the offensive staff don't have a clue 
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Not so fast frawg.. I'm not so sure I think they DO know what they are doing.
I'm just as concerned with the coaching staff as I am with the talent (or lack thereof) on the field. I will say that EM was not my first choice.
If it works out, I intend to see for myself Friday evening.
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I wasn't lying about anything. I was reporting what I heard.
But you were reporting it as fact.
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