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probably long overdue but started this to discuss the on-going qb battle and to save the "post camp reports" thread as i doubt this topic will die before the vikings game. most recent post: Quote:
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Derek Anderson is serving as QB with the first team in the Browns evening practice.
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He did look better this morning but like another poster said. Lets see what happens in pre season games when DA is out of his comfort zone and the QBs are allowed to get hit.
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I can't even begin to say how disappointed I am that Quinn has not seized the opportunity ... seized the moment. Two years in waiting ... two years to get ready and come out on fire. I think that is the most disheartening thing about all of this for me.
At this point, I just want someone to pull away. We don't have a friggin' starting QB ... only in Cleveland.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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It's only five days into camp, much too early to get depressed.
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I can't even begin to say how disappointed I am that Quinn has not seized the opportunity ... seized the moment.
that is the scariest thing about the QB battle.. I would have thought that this was Quinns year and that he would come in and tear it up... and he hasn't.. Not that DA has, but the mere fact that they appear to be running fairly even bothers the bejebbers out of me..
I know,, there is still plenty of time for one to emerge,, but still, after two years in waiting, I would have thought that one would step up.
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there is still plenty of time for one to emerge,, but still, after two years in waiting, I would have thought that one would step up.
It's hard to accept anything said from media reports because of human nature, but so far, it reads that DA has done some "stepping up" so to speak.
I really don't put any stock into anything done by either guy last year. It was a wasted year for the team from the top to the bottom, from the beginning to the end. We were essentially doomed after a couple of quarters into preseason.
So, to that end, Quinn doesn't have to be ready to tear up the league, but coming into the NFL with his supposed resume, he needs to be ready to start.
As for Anderson, he's had enough experience and years in the league to be equally as ready. He had further to go than Quinn, but that's balanced out by the number of seasons he's now got in the NFL.
You gotta realize who these two QB's are throwing to:
Kellen Win....er.....
Braylon Edwar....umm........just got back
Donte Stallwor........ack
Steptoe
Hubbard
Rucker
You get the point.
My opinion is the same now as it's been since the season ended: Let there be a fair competition, and after the second preseason game is over, name the starter. That makes the most sense, and I'd be willing to bet Mangini will go that route, assuming one QB actually looks better than another. What we're seeing right now means very little, so it's too soon to say Anderson's light is coming on, or that Quinn is a dissapointment.
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Toad, what do you do if both of them haven't lit it up? In other words, what if neither has done anything to really set them apart?
If there's a tie, who do you give the starting job to?
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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another thing we must take into consideration...
The Browns defense is trying to become more attack oriented... Derek Anderson KILLS those kind of defenses... ie 2007
When teams play back and wait for his throw....Defenses KILL Derek Anderson... ie 2008
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Really surprised that " You " have voiced any opinion Based on the media !..
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anderson is horrible to watch some games. sometimes i think he couldn't hit the ocean if he fell out of a boat.
quinn pick made me mad cause i didn't think he'd be a good pro qb.
doesn't really matter to me who wins, so long as they don't hurt the team starting.
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on Sirius NFL today, they suggested if the QB competition ends in a dead heat to start Quinn, if he falters, you can bring in Andersen and he would be better accepted. If you start with Andersen, he will be judged harshly on every move.
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This QueBee thang is about the only knock I have with the ManGenie camp. We need a starter. I can see how he wants this process to prove it out to avoid controversy fallout. Now who gives him that heat, and why it matters so much eludes me. I see it this way, and I am a stupid fan who can't grasp the Bigs and its brilliance (I was dumb enough to think tackling was important; sorry, way I was raised  ). Our starter is missing about half the reps. If they are dead even or close, and if BQ can't seal the deal, and if PB DA can't own it, one of them needs more work to get playable. Football bettering is about lots of reps and correction. Hope we find a leader because some time on reps is being missed. Hope I am wrong and somebody plays lights out. I have no problem with DA IF he has stepped up and improved some lousy habits. 
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Toad, what do you do if both of them haven't lit it up? In other words, what if neither has done anything to really set them apart?
If there's a tie, who do you give the starting job to?
You didn't ask me... but if the above happens, IMO you give BQ his shot just to get it over with, one way or the other... to determine if he has what it takes. if he stinks - and he deserves a long spell a starter in that case & not just a few games - then we go to DA and fans wouldn't be so whiny, as others have more or less stated.
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i see that point but i disagree. i think that shows weakness from the coaches because they're appealing to the fanbase. the coaching staff needs to remain consistent and make strong decisions. if they show up even, they'll make their decision based on what they prefer for their scheme, not because of how they think the fans'll react.
something tells me we'll either see DA play most of the season, or see quinn play 50% of the season. that'll avoid quinn's playtime incentive, then we might trade both of them and take a qb if neither looks the part.
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5 days into camp, where Mangini and crew have had a chance to see both QBs in action. Besides film, neither has much to support their claim as starter yet.
How do you suggest he decides the starter?
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Toad, what do you do if both of them haven't lit it up? In other words, what if neither has done anything to really set them apart?
If there's a tie, who do you give the starting job to?
Based on your proposed scenario, Anderson would have had plenty of time to get it at the big-league level. If he hasn't learned the short-game by now, he needs to go to the bench so that Quinn gets his shot. While Quinn won't have done anything to set himself apart, it'll be time to get him into the game to see what he's got.
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Really surprised that " You " have voiced any opinion Based on the media !..
Some of it is based on reports from our eye-witnesses around here.
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Really surprised that " You " have voiced any opinion Based on the media !..
Some of it is based on reports from our eye-witnesses around here.
Don't give me that Toad. I saw someone who looked exactly like you at camp the other day.
I think my dad ran the stupid amphibian over. 
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This thread aught to be good and friendly........I'll just enjoy the show. 
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you know, i think our qb discussions have been quite reasonable lately. i've been pleasantly surprised until i noticed there wasn't any of the "my boy" talk.
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Honestly, based on what I saw tonight, we're screwed at the QB position.
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Personally, I'd like to see DA out there IF there is a healthy Braylon out there as well. And by healthy - that's physically and mentally.
If we don't have a #1 WR, then I really don't think it matters DA or BQ. If you have no one to throw the ball to, doesn't matter who is back there.
Our passing game IMO revolves around Braylon and which Braylon shows up. We don't have a receiving TE big threat like K2 and the rookies can't be expected to become prime time WRs in their first year.
We literally have Braylon.
That's it.
Good news is that it's a contract year for him - gotta turn it up big if you want the fat payday later...
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Be careful, Deep...........I got friends in high places at PETA. 
That's my version of the mafia  They won't break any of your legs, but they will make you pick all the crap out of the fur of a few dozen mangy canines! 
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Toad, what do you do if both of them haven't lit it up? In other words, what if neither has done anything to really set them apart?
If there's a tie, who do you give the starting job to?
You go with the one who gives you the best chance to win..the one that can command/operate the offense...makes the fewest mistakes.. plus I've heard on more than one occasion that BQ doesn't always have the best practices..not that he doesn't try...he's more of a ingame performer..which is why I say the preseason games will tell the story..
But right now, he and DA are trying to get back into it and throwing to players they've never seen before..and yeah that includes Edwards 
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First, it's early...maybe too early to put much faith in these early reports concerning the QBs.
That said...I have read that Anderson is looking good with his arm strength being one difference that is obvious.
But remember, the true test for the Browns will be which QB can lead the offense to produce touchdowns when the pads go on and the real hitting starts.
Once the pre-season games start Aug 15, then we can get much better look at what our QBs can do.
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It might not work that way, but I'd like to see the coaches force the QBs to go out of their "comfort zones" when the games roll around. For example, don't run plays when DA is in that he can throw long. Make him move around, make him throw short. When BQ is in, make him stay in the pocket and throw long. See how they handle it.
Now, I know you want to test the other parts of the offense, too, but there is just so much concern (at least on here and in the press) that DA can't throw short and that BQ can't throw long that you'd have to have each guy do enough of each in order to make a good judgment.
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I can't even begin to say how disappointed I am that Quinn has not seized the opportunity ... seized the moment. Two years in waiting ... two years to get ready and come out on fire. I think that is the most disheartening thing about all of this for me.
At this point, I just want someone to pull away. We don't have a friggin' starting QB ... only in Cleveland.
With all the hoopla that surrounded Quinn and his intense workouts this past off season, both on the field and in the classroom, one would think it would have paid some results.
That, or it was simply hoopla.
It's 4 days in to camp. Nobody is going to pull away until the 2nd or 3rd preseason game. Mostly because Quinn and Anderson are pretty equal. Different skill sets, but when it all balances out, you end up about the same.
It is going to be determined by who's skills will help the most and who's skills will hurt the least.
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Yes, when you start going against other teams defenses,not your own, you'll see how both react to it..but what I want to see is both playing against the first team's defense...we'll see who can handle it and who flames out...
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There's no question in my mind about this...
Anderson's decision making improved a lot last season, it even improved down the stretch of '07.
The problem? He can't hit the short stuff for the life of him. That severely limits what the O can do.
He had a horrible practice yesterday evening. He completely missed Furrey in a drill where the receiver was running on air.
The questions about Quinn's arm strength are BS...he threw a 50 yard pass off his back foot yesterday...but he did throw a wounded duck earlier in the practice (to be fair).
I think one of the reasons no QB is gaining traction is because everyone's mixed into each drill. There hasn't been a "dead set" 1st team offense. Hell, Braylon took some reps with the twos yesterday.
Once that gets figured out I think the O will come together.
I think the REAL competition in training camp is at the runningback position...Davis made Lewis look like he's ready for the glue factory yesterday. It was seriously like the Willie Parker/Jerome Bettis contrast of 2005.
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And 5 days into camp these guys are still trying to learn and memorize a new playbook. And studying it on paper is totally different than executing it on the field, and takes time to get comfortable.
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While it's still ridiculously early, maybe there's a method to the madness of having each QB throw with different offenses (the 1s, 2s, mix of both). I mean, how often is it throughout the season that you're throwing to the same people and having the same people protect you? That happened for us in 2007 and we see how that worked. But, how often is that going to happen?
It's more likely that you're going to have at least one OL out a game or two because of injury, or a WR out a game or two with an injury or something. You have to be able to adapt to the different surroundings.
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I'm not worried about Quinn's arm strength. I'm worried about his accuracy deep. I have yet to see him throw a good post route or anything similar to that. He has the arm for it, but he can't seem to hit it, and seems unwilling to go deep. I fear what having him at QB could do to our run game.
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That's why if I was coach (and I'd be a horrendous coach), when Quinn was in during the preseason, I'd throw a ton of long passes over and over and over. When DA was in, I'd throw a ton of short to medium passes, over and over and over.
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Completely agree. Have them work on their weaknesses, not only for them to hopefully improve, but so you can see their weak spots. But you also need to go to their strengths to get a good impression of them.
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Completely agree. Have them work on their weaknesses, not only for them to hopefully improve, but so you can see their weak spots. But you also need to go to their strengths to get a good impression of them.
Quinn was working on deep balls in the one on one receiver v. DB drills.
He connected on all but one I believe.
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I'm not worried about Quinn's arm strength. I'm worried about his accuracy deep.
I never thought DA's accuracy was all that on deep balls either.
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We have a QB battle? I haven't heard of it 
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It's hard to accept anything said from media reports because of human nature, but so far, it reads that DA has done some "stepping up" so to speak.
Oh so true... the media doesn't serve anyone but itself... as for DA, from the folks that have visited camp, we have heard that DA is stepping up,, I'm more inclined to believe them than the media..
My only hope is that one of them does something to seperate himself.., I honestly don't care which it is..
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The long ball doesn't require as much accuracy as the shorter passes... If anything.. The QB must put good touch on the pass so that he can hit his WR in stride... That is the key...
Throw it too soft... Good chance of an INT...
Throw it too far.... Incomplete pass...
Throw it in stride... thats where great WR's are made..
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I agree. I just find it funny that people talk about how great DA is with the long ball, yet I thought while he could throw it long, it was usually thanks to the receiver that it was a reception, and not an INT or incomplete pass. I only recall a few passes where DA put it on the money. It's exciting when he puts it up, that is what makes games fun and edge of your seat thrills. But I have to be honest, when he put it up, I was more worried than excited. 
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