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I'd prefer Quinn to win the competition because of what we gave up for him, and I don't want that to be wasted.
With that said, I'll support whichever quarterback wins. I'm not so far either way that I will be upset. I think both can be very good quarterbacks; it's just a question of if they will.
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I'll be blunt. I want Quinn to succeed because I wonder the likelihood of Derek succeeding with all the fans hanging on his every move.
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Between DA and BQ I am hoping BQ wins. I don't know if Quinn will be a top notch Qb but having seen DA play I am pretty sure he cannot be. Sure he will make some awesome plays and have some great quarters maybe even some fantastic games but I can't see him ever becoming a consistantly top echelon Qb.
I think DA will win the Qb competition out of training camp and start against Minnesota. I believe he will lose the starting job around game 11 or 12. BQ will come in and not really do much. Then in 2010 Ratliff will be our starting Qb. Just my stinking suspicion. I hope I am totally off base and either DA or BQ wins the job and thrives and becomes a top 5 NFL Qb for years to come ...But I am not holding my breath.
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Why don't the moderators just remove all the thread titles and make one topic..the QB...every thread is the same arguement just with some different posters. God I can't wait until one is ship out 
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I don't know about anyone else, but I sure am sick of the quarterback crap.
I personally said before, I wish they would trade BOTH DA and Quinn, start Ratliff, then draft a QB next year and be done with all the crap.
No matter which QB wins, people will be saying, if DA is the starter, it will be did you see that bonehead play, Quinn would NEVER do that.
If Quinn starts it will be, DA could have thrown that ball 75 yards and we would have scored.
I certainly don't claim to know what the answer is, but I am tired of the controversy crap.
Pick 'em and starter 'em or trade their butts.
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Why don't the moderators just remove all the thread titles and make one topic..the QB...every thread is the same arguement just with some different posters.
God I can't wait until one is ship out
dude, we could have dorsey again as backup qb and there would would still be QB fights going. it's a way of life around here.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I'd prefer Quinn to win the competition because of what we gave up for him, and I don't want that to be wasted.
I was never fond of that logic (QB or otherwise)...
For example -- let's say Wimbley busts out completely, but Alex Hall goes onto be a stud...does it really matter that we wasted a 13 pick at that point?
If it works out in the end, then who cares how we got there?
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Phil .... I'm gonna say something that ... given our frequent political differences ..... you probably never thought you would hear (or read) from me.
You are absolutely right.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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You're right. It doesn't make a difference as far as anything that really counts. I'd just rather the guy we gave up an arm and a leg for be good than the 6th round pick.
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I'll be blunt. I want Quinn to succeed because I wonder the likelihood of Derek succeeding with all the fans hanging on his every move.
I'll be even blunter: If Quinn starts, I cut him no "first year starter" slack. He starts, he'd better be balls on. Same for DA by the way........but DA, if he starts will get it worse than DA, and that's not right. Quinn isn't a rookie, he's a 3rd year player.
He starts, he'd better be good, because he's had his time to figure things out.
Whoever starts I'm supporting. If they can't bring it, I'm upset. Bottom line. No excuses for DA, and none for Quinn.
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I'll be blunt. I want Quinn to succeed because I wonder the likelihood of Derek succeeding with all the fans hanging on his every move.
I'll be even blunter: If Quinn starts, I cut him no "first year starter" slack. He starts, he'd better be balls on. Same for DA by the way........but DA, if he starts will get it worse than DA, and that's not right. Quinn isn't a rookie, he's a 3rd year player.
He starts, he'd better be good, because he's had his time to figure things out.
Whoever starts I'm supporting. If they can't bring it, I'm upset. Bottom line. No excuses for DA, and none for Quinn.
completely agree....for Quinn, look at Rivers and Rodgers, both did well their first year after sitting.
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Phil .... I'm gonna say something that ... given our frequent political differences ..... you probably never thought you would hear (or read) from me.
You are absolutely right.
I;ve learned that Phil is Philosophical when it comes to politics 
But as for football, he may be a bit more relative.
I don't know if that sounded right, but Phil, that was a compliment. 
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He starts, he'd better be good, because he's had his time to figure things out.
That goes for either one..........step up, or step out,period.
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a 2nd round pick != an arm and a leg.
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a high second round pick and a first round pick = an arm and a leg
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Then in 2010 Ratliff will be our starting Qb. Just my stinking suspicion.
Untill we sign Troy Smith in free agency and start again. Just my stinking suspicion.  
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I'll be even blunter: If Quinn starts, I cut him no "first year starter" slack. Same for DA by the way........but DA, if he starts will get it worse than BQ, and that's not right. Quinn isn't a rookie, he's a 3rd year player.
He starts, he'd better be good, because he's had his time to figure things out.
Bottom line. No excuses for DA, and none for Quinn.
You are right on with this one 
Quinn is not a rookie- he's had his time to figure it out. The list goes on and on with Qb's that sat it out for a year or two and came in and produced right away. I see no reason why the same can't be true for Quinn.
You are also right about DA- he's just in a no win situation. And that is what sucks most about this QB competition. IF he wins the job, he needs to open up the season with wins, and alot of them, or he'll get booed out of town. And that's not right. Quinn will get the benefit of the doubt because he's the first year starter.
Bottom line- no excuses, for anyone- including coaches, QB's, defense....
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Quinn is not a rookie- he's had his time to figure it out. The list goes on and on with Qb's that sat it out for a year or two and came in and produced right away. I see no reason why the same can't be true for Quinn.
I don't want to make excuses for Quinn - and hopefully none will be needed- but most of the QB's that sat for a year had HC's that were pushing them and developing them.
Not the case for BQ.
RAC didn't push anyone or develop anyone. His lazy camps and general incompetance resulted in regression for most players (insert long list here). RAC taught bad habits and lazyness and it showed on the field week in and week out - especially in pressure situations.
I don't know how BQ will pan out but I hope we have sense enough to evaluate him over more than just this season.
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I'll be even blunter: If Quinn starts, I cut him no "first year starter" slack. Same for DA by the way........but DA, if he starts will get it worse than BQ, and that's not right. Quinn isn't a rookie, he's a 3rd year player.
He starts, he'd better be good, because he's had his time to figure things out.
Bottom line. No excuses for DA, and none for Quinn.
You are right on with this one
Quinn is not a rookie- he's had his time to figure it out. The list goes on and on with Qb's that sat it out for a year or two and came in and produced right away. I see no reason why the same can't be true for Quinn.
You are also right about DA- he's just in a no win situation. And that is what sucks most about this QB competition. IF he wins the job, he needs to open up the season with wins, and alot of them, or he'll get booed out of town. And that's not right. Quinn will get the benefit of the doubt because he's the first year starter.
Bottom line- no excuses, for anyone- including coaches, QB's, defense....
While I've stated Anderson had further to go in terms of development at the NFL level, I don't believe it would be realistic to expect Quinn to be ready to come right out and fully succeed at this point. With his limited NFL GAME experience, he's going to make idiotic mistakes and get fooled more than DA. So if we do start Quinn, we're going to have to accept some really boneheaded plays. To expect relative perfection from him such as what we've seen from Rivers isn't realistic. That's just too hopeful.
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I read a lot about how Quinn should be the starter because he "deserves a chance".
Interesting- I was thinking the same thing about Anderson.
*He* deserves the chance to see what he can do with a primary receiver who has his confidence back and can actually catch passes that hit him in the hands- not to mention people like Steptoe (no longer a problem) who also seemed to drop every third pass thrown his way.
He deserves a chance to have an O-line that doesn't suck and put him under massive pressure on every passing down because they can't block their own grandmothers. He deserves the chance to see what he can do in a season where a third of the offensive starters aren't hobbled with injuries.
He deserves to see what he can do under a coach who isn't ignorant to the concept of discipline and hasn't lost the respect of his players. He deserves a chance with an OC who isn't going to run the most vanilla, predictable, futile playbook in the league.
He deserves a chance to rest for more than 5 minutes because his defense just let the opposition march down the field and score at will in no time- again.
He deserves receivers who will run their routes so they are where they're supposed to be when the ball is thrown- and maybe we won't see as many INTs.
Ok, I'll stop here. The point is, it irks the crap out of me when people say Quinn should be the starter because "we've seen what DA does."
That's right. In 2007, we saw him throw 29 TDs rack up a zillion passing yards until the last few games of the season when, coincidentally, the rest of the team on both sides of the ball started performing in a sub-standard fashion. We also saw what he did last year when he had just about ZERO help. Quinn, Dorsey, and Gradkowski couldn't do jack with our sorry offense and porous defense either.
So before we send a 25 year old kid who has a ton of potential packing in favor of the flavor of the week, can we at least see what he can do with a team that has much fewer excuses to suck this year?
If the O-line is giving DA time, the running game is average or better, the receivers are catching balls that should be catchable, some of our primary players are not on the bench with injuries, the defense holds to a respectable degree, and they don't commit so many stupid penalties at the worst, drive-killing times... - If all these things become much less of a problem, but Anderson is STILL throwing too many INTs, or is inaccurate, or telegraphs plays, etc., then FINE, I'll be first in line to give up on him. But until I see what he can do with the rest of the team and the coaching staff living up to *their* potential, I'm not convinced he should be dumped in favor of Quinn.
After all, Quinn won't be able to do jack squat if the rest of the team plays like they did last year, either.
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I want the best QB to win the job. I'm pulling for DA to do extremely well and make it hard on Mangini to make the decision (I believe Quinn is better suited for this offense and will be the starter). DA has had to put up with a lot of rap and I want him to look good before he leaves.
I want him to have a chance to be successful in this league. I like him and can't stand all the crap I hear about him.
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I've been hearing a lot about Quinn not looking that good in practice but that's because he is a game player. Kinda like what we heard about Frye?
Now I'm not comparing Quinn to Frye but rather want to point this out because many on here said that the whole thing about being a gamer is bs. You play how you practice, yadda, yadda yadda.
I wonder how many of you guys still hold the same view? My opinion hasn't changed. I believe some players have the ability to turn it up once under the lights.
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I don't believe it would be realistic to expect Quinn to be ready to come right out and fully succeed at this point. With his limited NFL GAME experience, he's going to make idiotic mistakes and get fooled more than DA. So if we do start Quinn, we're going to have to accept some really boneheaded plays. To expect relative perfection from him such as what we've seen from Rivers isn't realistic. That's just too hopeful.
Yes, the game experience is lacking- but the film sessions the last several years should be ahead of schedule if all of the talk of Quinn being a hard worker is true. I think we will know in short order if Quinn has IT. Sure, i expect some mistakes due to the inexperience- but i also expect him to make some plays as well ....ala Rivers, Culpepper, McNair, Schaub, Rodgers and whoever else sat for a year before playing.
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Nice post. The question remains whether Anderson of 2007 or 2008 is the real DA. Until we know the answer, he should be the presumptive starter. It so happens I like both of our QBs, so I don't have a dog in this fight. But DA looked too good in 2007 to just jettison for a 4th rounder, and despite the hopes and dreams of Quinn supporters, he (BQ) is still an unknown. Keep your powder dry folks, you never know who is gonna shine in the next 3 exhibition games.
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Wow, this thread is very civil, great job guys. Good luck to both QBs today!
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Nice post. The question remains whether Anderson of 2007 or 2008 is the real DA.
Here's my issue with the "Is the 07 or 08 Anderson the read DA?" question...
07' DA was good for about 5 games. Average for about 6 games, and awful for about 5 games. Sorry, but I don't even want "07' DA"
If DA can improve and be better than 07' DA, great... But I don't want 07' DA...
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Would you really not want 10-6 in 2009, and a QB that had 29 TD passes? He was 24 in 2007, in his first exposure to regular season play, so I say it was a fine year, overall. Take out that ridiculous gameplan at Cinci in the finale and we might be talking about a playoff appearance. There is no reason to believe that Anderson - at 1 year older than Quinn - can't develop further, especially when you consider that he started out, IMO, from further away.
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His first regular season exposure was actually 2006.
I would take 29 TD passes every year. What I wouldn't take is this...
He also had 14 INT's...
Of his 29 TD's, he had 14 in 4 games. In those same 4 games, he only had 1 INT.
So in 11 other starts, that puts him at 14 TD's 12 INT's (taking out 1 and 1 for the Pitt game which he came in for Frye).
That's what I don't want. I don't want a great QB for 1/3 of the year, and a bad QB for 2/3 of the year.
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I am SO SICK of this being the offseason topic year in and year out. I am beginning to lose optimism that this organization can EVER just get it right!
Sadly I do not believe we will see either QB just grab this starting job and not look back.
Quinn with his CENSORED accuracy issues and DA with his rocket short passes... UGH!!!!! ONE of them HAS to step up SOON because this team needs to rally behind "the guy" as we near the start of the season.
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Also, Week 11-Week 17 in 2007 (Crunch time, if you will...)...
9TD's, 10 INT's.
I'm not anti-Anderson. I just want to win. But, I won't be happy with 07' DA...
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Not to be argumentative, but if Anderson was bad for 2/3 of 2007, and he played in 15 of those games, then he was "bad" in 10 games. The Browns won 5 of those games he was "bad" in (he was 10-5 as a starter).
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The Bears went to a Super Bowl with Rex Grossman as their starting QB.
Win/Loss does not always show how good/bad a QB is.
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True enough, but a win is a win. Like I said, I like both our guys. I think one of them is going to step up. But if DA wins the competition, I hope very much that he is not going to hear boos in his home stadium the first time he throws an errant pass, or a drive stalls.
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I agree. I don't care who the starter is, as long as we're winning. I just hope if it's DA, its not 07' DA. I hope it's 09', much improved DA
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I'll be pretty happy enough with 8-8, so 2007 DA would be okay with me.
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I am absolutely lost when folks talk about what BQ. can or can't do ??? How many " Quarters " not games has the young man played ??? I will admit ; No way am " I " good enough to make a decision on his play at this time !
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I too would be happy with 8-8, i dont think we are going to stink it up this year, but to think anything better than 500 is a little unrealistic. Of course i could just say 0-16 then when they win a few i could "act" suprised haha.....but i do agree 8-8 or 9-7 would be a great year
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we used our 2nd round pick to use our 1st round pick a year early. it was the exact same spot also. we only gave up a 2nd.
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I know it doesn't mean much, but I think the starter tonight does mean at least SOMETHING.
Though he may rotate starters next week, Mangini ain't Crennel.
He isn't going to flip a coin tonight.
He has to base his decision to start either guy on SOMETHING. It doesn't mean they'll start come September, but I think it is safe to say it's the guy who has impressed him just a little more in camp and in the classroom.
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I don't know if that's true, 017... I think Anderson starts tonight. For one reason only... So Quinn starts at home next week to keep the fans happy.
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