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These contract negotiations make me really appreciate how the front office decided to keep moving down in the draft despite not getting huge returns. They got their guy and he is signed and in camp for a reasonable price. Had we picked Crabtree at #5 he would have sat out the year arguing he should have been the top overall pick.
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These contract negotiations make me really appreciate how the front office decided to keep moving down in the draft despite not getting huge returns. They got their guy and he is signed and in camp for a reasonable price. Had we picked Crabtree at #5 he would have sat out the year arguing he should have been the top overall pick.
I was pretty upset that day.
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We still should have gotten a TON more from the jets for that move up... but.. it is what it is..
We did get some solid players from NY... but should have gotten more draft picks.. or atleast a higher one..
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Saints | Not progressing with Jenkins negotiations Comment (0) Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:00:45 -0700 Jeff Duncan, of The New Orleans Times-Picayune, reports there has not been any progress in talks between the New Orleans Saints and rookie CB Malcolm Jenkins. Both sides are dug in and Duncan speculates a breakthrough won't be coming any time soon. http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=2
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I disagree. I think it is difficult to move down in the draft and receive what we are supposed to get. The fact that we moved down and received anything while still getting the guy we wanted all along and being able to pay him much less worked out very well.
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Well, goes to show how poorly the negotiations were progressing with Jenkins... www.KFFL.comSaints | Jenkins contract update Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:05:03 -0700 Brian Allee-Walsh, of the New Orleans Times-Picayune, reports New Orleans Saints CB Malcolm Jenkins' new five-year deal is believed to be worth approximately $19 million with guarantees of around $11 million and includes a $4.3 million escalator clause in the last year. Saints | Agree to terms with M. Jenkins Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:14:21 -0700 NewOrleansSaints.com reports the New Orleans Saints have agreed to terms with first-round draft choice CB Malcolm Jenkins on a five-year deal. Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed. Jenkins will practice with the team's Monday, Aug. 10
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I'll say it again: Too many people blame players when it's the agents driving the bus. Blame the agents and the system, not the players.
Sorry, that will only get you so far with me... that's like blaming the mortgage companies when they talked people into buying houses they couldn't afford or blaming the financial advisor when a celebrity finds out he's broke because he hasn't paid his taxes in 8 years...
Yea those people screwed up and deserve some blame, but in the end, the agent serves Michael Crabtree and if he doesn't like the way his agent is handling this and if its truely his agent that is asking for a completely unrealistic contract, then Crabtree needs to do something about it... like get a new agent.
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that is a great argument and a valid one.
too many players just listen to their agents when they say "just let me handle your contract and you'll end up better in the long run" rather than taking an active part and realizing that the agents work for them....not the opposite.
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At 22, how many of us can say we were smart enough to know when to fire an agent?
Most of these kids don't have families smart enough to change a tire, let alone make financial decisions.
I'd submit to you that if he and his are dumb enough to allow his cousin to talk to anyone in the media, they aren't smart enough to give him sound advice about his contract.
These agents are lawyers, and as such, have very pursuasive personalities. They know what they know, and the kids and their families know nothing. So while it's easy to say they should know better, they don't.
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These agents are lawyers, and as such, have very pursuasive personalities.
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"Crabtree has decided that he shouldn’t have to be paid less because – based on all the made-up, predicted drafts – Al Davis made a mistake. He wants to be paid more than Heyward-Bey, demanding his contract reflect that it was actually he who was the higher selected receiver."
Then CrabbyPatty needs to negotiate with Al Davis to make up the difference in his rookie contract he'll get from the 49ers..since Davis made the mistake..thats only fair...  
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I'll say it again: Too many people blame players when it's the agents driving the bus. Blame the agents and the system, not the players.
But how many times have we seen a man in his young 20s tell his agent "Just get me into camp."
I believe Joe Thomas and Wimbley were players that have said that.
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Well, Crabtree is going to miss his first game. I understood the hold out in the preseason. Not saying I agree with it, but I understand that he was trying for more cash.
But now, he's actually missing game checks. I guess he wasn't threatening to hold out after all. Seems silly to me. I don't think he'll be a top 10 next year. What a way to throw away a year of playing time and paychecks.
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Gonna get some serious negative replies here for this, but I hope he goes back into the draft, and I hope we take him.
Yeah, I think he's going to be a special receiver, and with the upcoming issues with Edwards...............
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As long as we don't spend a 1st on him I would be fine with that. I wouldn't invest a 1st round pick into another knucklehead WR when a guy like Dez Bryant (who's just as talented) would be a much safer bet that high in the draft..............without the baggage, without the injury history, without the year off of football.
Crabtree would be a great value pick in the 2nd or perhaps mid rounds, but no way in hell I pick him in the 1st. Good news is he doesn't sign he's at best a late 1st round pick, and most likely he goes in the 2nd.
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Would rather have had Crabtree and Fraley at center then what we have now. Our receivers don't scare anyone....
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I don't believe he'd be a late first. I know that's the consensus but everything I've learned over the years tells me otherwise.
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I wouldn't give a late 1st for him so if he's going higher (which I assume is what your saying) then I wouldn't touch him. If we are drafting that high there is safer picks with comparable talent at that position. Your putting way too much stock in Crabtree if you think the baggage and injury history he has isn't enough to put other guys ahead of him. I'd take Dez Bryant over him 10 out of 10 times........especially if I'm giving him 10 million a year.
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has it been established yet that you are a troll?
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I just think he's that special of a player.
Now, come the end of the year, we may have other needs, but if we had the ability to fix many of our positions, yeah, I think Crabs is that good.
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Would rather have had Crabtree and Fraley at center then what we have now. Our receivers don't scare anyone....
Why is THAT ? Most probably because our OLine can't protect anybody long enough to make a scare, and/or run the ball.
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Well I don't..lol. I think he's a top talent, but I think he's comparable to present day top talents. Imo so is Bryant. Why take a gamble on a nut case like MC when you can get a comparable talent without the ???s. I wouldn't, and don't think Mangini & Co. would either........considering they didn't draft him this year.
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Maybe we should trade BE now for the rights to Crabtree. BE looks seriously uninspired today. Pay Crabtree and lets move forward....
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Crabtree...let's be thankful we didn't pick him
Yeah, he runs deep routes. we need a receiver that excels in the two yard screen.
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Gonna get some serious negative replies here for this, but I hope he goes back into the draft, and I hope we take him.
It would be funnier if the 49's got him again, I know that won't happen, just saying it would be funny, as in funny for me.
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has it been established yet that you are a troll?
i've thought once or twice that he is coachb reincarnated 
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has it been established yet that you are a troll?
i've thought once or twice that he is coachb reincarnated
come on, whether deserved or not, that's a lil harsh towards coachb
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well with the way Crabtree is acting.. i wouldnt be surprised if he fell to the second round and still demands top 1st round money because he was mocked out to be a top 1st round pick.
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At this point, wouldn't it be smart for the 9ers to trade his rights?
Get at least a 2nd rounder from someone?
I'd be the Jets would go for that or maybe even the Pats with their additional 1st in 2011??
Or is there a cutoff when someone's rights can be traded for?
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I don't see anyone trading for him without a a contract negotiated up front, and I don't see 49ers allowing that.
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I don't see anyone trading for him without a a contract negotiated up front, and I don't see 49ers allowing that.
plus i dont seeing any team signing the contract crabtree wants.
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At this point, wouldn't it be smart for the 9ers to trade his rights?
More importantly...he can't be traded until March 1st, under the CBA.
This is set to protect teams from agents who wouldn't even negotiate with the original team, and would just try to set up trades to the teams that their clients want to be on.
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I noted earlier that the holdout could have just been an agent ploy and that he could have just been willing to sit out preseason to get his slightly better contract.
at this point, I retract earlier statements. look, Crabtree tried to call their bluff, and the 49ers didn't blink. at this point, he should have just taken the contract....
anyone wanting to call him a diva-WR...please proceed.
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anyone wanting to call him a diva-WR...please proceed.
He's not a diva WR, as of right now, he's a jobless fool.
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He's a jobless fool who will never recoup his losses.
Who was the QB who went and played baseball because he wasn't happy with where he was going to be drafted ...... then culdn;t cut it in baseball and wound up a low paid NFL free agent?
Players don't improve their raft position by holding out for a year. I can't see it starting now.
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IIRC, it was a kid at Michigan, but the name escapes me.
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Didn't Drew Henson actually get a (relatively) decent contract to play for the Cowboys even though he left football? Not talking 1st rounder contract or anything, but I thought Jerry Jones gave him way more money than UDFA's normally get.
Maybe I'm wrong though, not sure?
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