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Did you not hear the stories about when he was in Detroit? Another losing season and it will come out.
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.. " Don't be doggin' on my D boy Shaun. He's a monster in a nightmare who's come to wreak havoc.. " I love it 
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Shaun is about as dominating a NT that you can get right now. Great move by Savage in getting him. One of his best moves when he was here.
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BTW, I saw a vid clip interview with Braylon on the main site, and he wore an Indians cap after the Sunday scrimmage. Was it to help mend fences with Clevelanders? At least he didn't wear a Yankees cap like you-know-who.  
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Did you not hear the stories about when he was in Detroit? Another losing season and it will come out.
Well it certainly didnt come out last year. That guy was getting his shoulder dislocated popped back in place then bustin heads a couple plays later. That is the kind of character I wish everyone on the team had.
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Did you not hear the stories about when he was in Detroit? Another losing season and it will come out.
Good, he hates losing. I don't remember those stories about his days in Detroit, didn't care either... but perhaps they were overblown, & besides.. maybe he's different now that he's 27 or whatever, as opposed to 23. Those years, in many cases, result in a lot of personality development in people.
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Rodgers is not a problem we need more like him. I want to say that the offense making plays like 70 yard TDs is very encouraging since offfense is harder to perfect early in the season. Maybe our DBs are not what they should be but I prefer to believe we have offensive skills and good Oline timing. Should be good for Lewis, Harrison and Davis.
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30 as opposed to 28? They were not overblown and it's not about him hating losing. It's about him whining and being a big baby.
He is the most dominating nose in the game, but I hate his personality and attitude.
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30 as opposed to 28?
OK, that wrecks my hypothesis... hahaha... but what's the worse thing he ever did that you know for sure, and were you there or just read it on profootballtalk???
Watch the videos..... he's got a good perspective on life, or seems to. Guy's got character.
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I was not there but I have heard stories that float around the league. I can't think of any specific examples (call it a cop out, whatever) but it is well known that he has no work ethic whatsoever, hence him ballooning up to over 400 pounds one offseason.
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I was not there but I have heard stories that float around the league. I can't think of any specific examples (call it a cop out, whatever) but it is well known that he has no work ethic whatsoever, hence him ballooning up to over 400 pounds one offseason.
sheesh . I know everybody's entitled to their own opinion but give it up already. Our only probowler from last season who happens to be tearing it up in camp right now and you can't understand why no one agrees with you ? If we have another losing season I can guarantee you that he won't be the only player with a bad attitude.
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He is the most dominating nose in the game, but I hate his personality and attitude.
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I can understand someone not agreeing with me, and I never said I couldn't. He was one of few bright spots last year, and I understand that. But if we don't make a quick turnaround, he will go from being a fan favorite, to basically being like Braylon from a fan's perspective.
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Derek Anderson said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes. Details, details, details.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4388546
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Derek Anderson said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes. Details, details, details.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4388546
interesting.
So was this saying that Quinn was more prepared than Anderson?
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I won't be concerned until he starts dropping passes. 
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Doesn't DA's helmet receiver not work like almost every game? Especially during a game ending 2 minute drill. 
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What U guys need to realize is that Rodgers has a quirky personality..and it can go roughshod at any time..fickle..sensitive, whatever term U want to choose..malcontent if things don't go his way..
No one questions his skills...but his attitude is totally different..he's a gamble..I don't trust him to give it his all if things go sour..maybe he's maturing..maybe not..it's a risk..
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I think you may have said it better than I in that one post.
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how can you come to that conclusion? it says quinn told the defense all about the hand signals so the defense knew what plays anderson was going to run; as in cheating; as in spygate.
now it's possible all that was orchestrated by mangini but this says two things: 1) quinn could have been cheating and 2) DA made those completions with the 1st string defense KNOWING the plays.
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First off, no one knows for sure if Quinn told the defense the hand signals. That's what DA said. And was DA kidding when he said it? I know that I don't know.
In addition, so what if he did tell the hand signals to the defense? What's going to happen when teams are watching tape? You think they're not going to pick up on things? DA has to learn to adjust.
I'm not condoning it if BQ did give away the hand signals. But I'm not taking all responsibility off DA, either. Hell, for all we know, the defense knew all the hand signals anyway because they've been practicing against this offense every day.
I try not to get involved in the QB deadbate since all that matters to me is that we win games. But in this situation, I'm not really too horribly upset that BQ may have given the signals to the other team. The regular season games aren't going to always be perfect scenarios. DA has to adjust.
My bigger concern was the problem with DA's headset. I haven't heard that any of the other QBs have the same problem. So what's the story with that?
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how can you come to that conclusion? it says quinn told the defense all about the hand signals so the defense knew what plays anderson was going to run; as in cheating; as in spygate.
now it's possible all that was orchestrated by mangini but this says two things: 1) quinn could have been cheating and 2) DA made those completions with the 1st string defense KNOWING the plays.
I didnt see the white defenders part..  thats why..
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the reason why i'm not jumping all over this is simply because we don't have enough info. what i can tell you is that, unless mangini told quinn to do it and DA did the same for when quinn was in, it can and should be interpreted as cheating to get a jump in the competition. there is no way to justify this and you can't compare this by bringing up other teams. this is a team scrimmage for the sole purpose of developing a depth chart and i wonder what would've happened if it were DA giving the hand signals. we also don't know that the defense knows all the hand signals as they clearly have their own things they need to work on. the plus side is, ignoring the potential cheating aspect, is that DA completed those passes against the defense when they knew the plays the offense was going to run. [edit] mangini was asked about the headset in the recent presser: Quote:
(On if the headset issues Sunday were by design or were unintentional) - "There weren't really any issues on the home bench. The other issues, it wasn't earth shattering. It's a good lesson, too. I've talked to Brian (Daboll) about this before. We've been in enough places where the headset goes out for a number of reasons.
To have the ability to signal in from the sideline, or some sort of progression, whether you have a wristband where you want to signal in numbers, however you want to do it, to keep the operation as smooth as you can, with losing the headset."
http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2009/08/cleveland_browns_eric_manginis_2.html
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from derek anderson's presser: Quote:
(On if they had a problem with the helmet communication)- "Yes, we had a problem with that last year. They'll get it fixed. The whole first three drives it was in and out. I just started calling my own plays."
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(On Mohamed Massaqoui)- "He's been playing well. Today we had a mix-up on the goal line going in, getting the fade. Whatever, we had to change our signals because Brady (Quinn) told them all the hand signals, so we got mixed up on that. It was a scrimmage. I thought for the situation, we did all right."
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(On the helmet communication system not working)- "It was mine and Ratty's (Brett Ratliff) was working, and mine wasn't. I was like, 'Come on guys, we went through this the last two years.'"
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/08/postscrimmage_transcript_derek.html
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(On Derek Anderson saying he was giving the defense hand signals during the scrimmage) - "He would say that (jokingly)."
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/08/postscrimmage_transcript_brady.html
here is DA's presser interview video (you may need to select the DA video on the right). judge for yourself: http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/multimedia/mediaplayer.php?id=
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Is it bad of me to say that I care so little about that that I'm not going to watch the interview?
Do I like that maybe BQ cheated? No, not really. But I just plain don't care. What matters to me is how this team performs in real games.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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no, it's fine that you don't care. i did watch it and he sounded agitated, even though the other reports laughed. the question, though, is would you have cared if the report was that DA did it to quinn?
side note - on the penalty for throwing the ball at rogers, something plain dealer conveniently left out, DA explained it and basically he was sacked and then flipped the ball, the refs said the ball hit rogers, and flagged him.
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No, I wouldn't care if DA did it to BQ. I am firmly in the camp that I don't care which one starts. I want to win, plain and simple.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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that's fine. to a certain point, this has nothing to do with who wins the qb comp. i just think it's bad practice and takes away from the quality of the practice session. if it's true, i just don't like it.
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I think this thing is ludicrous. when i played sports, and we had inter squad scrimmages, we did all kinds of things like far worse then telling the other side hand signals. I would conclude that if it was a big deal, the disciplinarian in Mangini would say something about it. I am not a Quinn fan boy, but when Quinn said "he would say that" sort of sounded like maybe it was an inside joke between the two of them. That's my conclusion. Ratty is going to start day 1 against Minn anyway, so I don't know what you guys are worrying for.
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General replay on the signal gate lol
Ok how many excuses does DA need. Oo the mic didnt work, oo Quinn was giving away the hand signals. Oo there was sand in my vagina.
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How does anyone know if Quinn ever told the D about the hand signals.
In most games I watch, the QBs are busy looking at charts and stuff in between drives, not watching the field.
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How does anyone know if Quinn ever told the D about the hand signals.
In most games I watch, the QBs are busy looking at charts and stuff in between drives, not watching the field.
It was a scrimmage game between a bunch of millionaires who love to play football. Of course there was some good-natured cheating involved. They are all looking for every little advantage they can find. I'm sure there was ego and a few side bets going back and forth as well. The day they quit looking for that extra edge is the day we are looking at a 4-12 team again.
A good scrimmage can help replicate game day conditions. There are days when the clock is getting short, the other team has your number, and even your dog just hates you. It's easier to handle if you've been there before.
I can't wait for a real game so we can see what we've really got.
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“IF” BQ did give his D the hand signals. Then I say “GREAT”. Mangini is constantly preaching and putting these guys in situations they don’t expect to see how they react so he can evaluate.
If BQ saw the headsets were out and was “heads-up” enough to corral his D and clue them in on signals then “good for him”.
That’s exactly the kind of “leadership” we should all expect from a field general…
DA should have gone to calling his own plays and explain to his coach on downs…
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seriously? on GAMEDAY, quinn wouldn't have been doing that anyways. he could only do so in practice against his own teammates. look, this could be a non-issue (it could also be a big one) but some of these reactions are laughable. "if it's true, good! cheating IS a form of leadership!" DA said that he called his own plays on the first 3 drives. he also said he adjusted by changing the hand signals. [edit] mangini's response: Quote:
Quick Hits from Eric Mangini's Tuesday press conference:
* Mangini shook his over a report that Derek Anderson accused Brady Quinn of stealing hand signals during Sunday's Brown and White scrimmage at the Stadium. He said the scrimmage was competitive and "we were all playing for different things'' throughout the course of the game. But he stressed that Anderson and Quinn are good friends and that any comments regarding the hand signals were all in good fun. "All I see them doing is helping each other and supporting each other to move the team forward,'' Mangini said.
* In response to Shaun Smith saying that Shaun Rogers wants to return to Detroit, Mangini said things are great between him and Rogers. "I couldn't be happier with Shaun,'' said Mangini. "He's fun to watch if you're on the defensive side.''
He said he didn't approach Rogers about Smith's comments, but that he stresses to the players to come and talk to him so they don't "let little things become big things.''
* Mangini said rookie running back James Davis missed practice Tuesday night because he had to get some dental work.
http://www.cleveland.com/brownsbeat/index.ssf/2009/08/mangini_addresses_reports_on_q.html
a non-response but no doubt it's been dealt with in-house one way or another.
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look, this could be a non-issue (it could also be a big one) but some of these reactions are laughable. "if it's true, good! cheating IS a form of leadership!"
Absolutely…
If your QB is seeing something (anything) from the sidelines that is giving one of the units trouble… Hell yeah… Get over there and point it out… Its not as if we are talking about steeling scripted plays, taking cheep shots or using a shotgun mike…
Let’s say you’re a player who has been traded and are in a game against your old team…
Faced with the same situation… Don’t you give your new teammates all you can???
It’s not “cheating”… You’re on the field playing for your “own” team…
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If Brady was giving the signals to the defense , so what?
DA then needs to improvise....I'd love a challenge like that..
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No doubt, take the signal, then in the huddle call a play that would counter to what the defense is expecting.
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j/c glad to see it was out of proportion. Quote:
4:43:09 pm Browns QBs Derek Anderson dismissing his claim that QB Brady Quinn was stealing hand signals and providing them to the defense during Sunday's scrimmage: "It was all for fun and someone took it and ran with it. Obviously I have to be more careful with what I say."
4:41:00 pm Browns QBs Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn dismissed the former's claim that the latter was stealing hand signals and providing them to the defense during Sunday's scrimmage. "No one stole hand signals," Quinn said. "That got blown out of proportion."
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/CLE
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What U guys need to realize is that Rodgers has a quirky personality..and it can go roughshod at any time..fickle..sensitive, whatever term U want to choose..malcontent if things don't go his way..
No one questions his skills...but his attitude is totally different..he's a gamble..I don't trust him to give it his all if things go sour..maybe he's maturing..maybe not..it's a risk..
I would love to see how he would do in a Super Bowl though....
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glad to see it was out of proportion.
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4:43:09 pm Browns QBs Derek Anderson dismissing his claim that QB Brady Quinn was stealing hand signals and providing them to the defense during Sunday's scrimmage: "It was all for fun and someone took it and ran with it. Obviously I have to be more careful with what I say."
4:41:00 pm Browns QBs Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn dismissed the former's claim that the latter was stealing hand signals and providing them to the defense during Sunday's scrimmage. "No one stole hand signals," Quinn said. "That got blown out of proportion."
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/CLE
Anderson was known somewhat as a joker, It's sort of funny that the Browns are probably the only team in the NFL where this is a story.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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