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I didn't know where this should go, but it chaps my ass to be honest. http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/news_article.aspx?storyid=119548&catid=3CLEVELAND -- The Cleveland Browns are offering up new ticket deals for the first home pre-season game against the Detroit Lions. If the team doesn't sell out the stadium, then the August 22 broadcast on WKYC-TV will be blacked out in the Cleveland market and three affiliate markets in Youngstown, Columbus and Dayton. There hasn't been a blacked out broadcast since the team returned to Cleveland in 1999. To help spur ticket sales, the Browns are cutting the costs for fans. For the Lions game only, the Browns are offering 50% off on all remaining game tickets. That means fans can get a seat that normally would sell for $32 for just $16. The Browns are also offering a "family four-pack" which includes tickets, hot dogs, and soft drinks for $99. Click here to order your tickets. You'll need to use the promo code "HALFOFF" to get the discount. Click HERE for more details on the discount offer. © 2009 WKYC-TV .................................... My point is the Browns aren't doing a very good job of protecting season ticket holders. It makes me feel like I paid 50% over value for that game. As part of my season ticket package, which was paid for March, i had to pay full face value. Now they are undercutting prices by 50%??? I am calling in the morning to let them know I don't appreciate it. It isn't so much the $70 I would have saved. It is just the principal of the matter.
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I agree, to a point, but it is kind of like a hotel.
You could have reservations to a hotel in advance and pay $100 a night and someone could come in that night and if there is a room empty the hotel may let someone who just walked in to have that room for $50 that night. It's not necessarily fair to you, but they make $150 instead of just $100.
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Well, it's like going in April to Macy's and buying a nice shirt for the summer that catches your eye.
You go back in September, they still have some left, and are on clearance for 50% off.
That's just how it goes. They need to sell of the tickets, and they don't want the game blacked out. Of course they're going to make an offer like that.
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BS....that isn't how it is....this is the first friggen game at home...how much are they going to discount the last???
Do either of you buy season tickets???
If so, I will listen to you. If not. I won't.
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I'm with you on this, Peen. It's an insult to season ticket holders. Almost as big an insult as having to pay full price for an exhibition game to begin with.
But having said that I seriously doubt you'll get a satisfactory answer when you call them. Let me know what they say. I'd be very interested in their logic on this one.
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BS....that isn't how it is....this is the first friggen game at home...how much are they going to discount the last???
Do either of you buy season tickets???
If so, I will listen to you. If not. I won't.
I'm a Bears season ticket holder and if they tried it here, I'd be fine with it. Why? If the house ain't full, it benefits to fill it, even at a discount for the latecummers. The Browns are getting money off the concessions, team shop, parking and even the city benefits with more people coming down to the game. Now I understand it would be more "fair" to discount the beer, hot dogs and other food 50% so everyone can share in the offer to fill the stadium but maybe they've outsourced the concession stands.
Look, if the Browns/Bears are 12-3 with their biggest rival in the last game of the season.....you can sell the tickets for double or triple of the face value. The owners don't demand that profit back....it's yours (if you sell). This is the gamble or game you play by having to buy all ten games. You're guaranteed the good, the bad, the preseason, the regular season and playoff games (if we're lucky).
And hey, most of the people who buy half-priced preseason tickets are families that wouldn't normally go because they can't afford full price.
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Hey Otto....I don't expect any satisfaction other then telling them what I think....there had to be several lamebrains sitting around a round table when they came up with this.
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I saw this earlier.. I was pretty PO'd. I am a PSL owner and a season ticket holder and I paid FULL price for these worthless tickets that I can't give away. I'm doing pretty well these days but $110.00 isn't something I'm happy about throwing away
I'd rather they discount by half the pre-season tickets across the board to everyone including the season ticket holders. In addition I wish they would eliminate at least ONE of the preseason home games. I'm tired of seeing our team get killed by injuries in meaningless games.
Season ticket holders are the financial base of operations for the Browns.We should be appreciated and not treated like milk cows.
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Do either of you buy season tickets???
If so, I will listen to you. If not. I won't.
I get what you are saying with that post, but here is an example that springs to mind: I pay for a cable TV package for years, then they offer a steep discount to "new customers" for two months, while I pay the same. Yeah it bugs me a little, but it's just the way it is.
The Browns and probably many other teams have been cutting prices to boring BS like exhibition games...because people aren't that interested this year.
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What is almost as amazing as this lamebrained idea is the fact that you and I appear to be the only ones who think it's a slap in the face to season ticket holders. They start doing this with regular season games and they can kiss my dough goodbye for next year. I'll just sell my PSLs and wait for the prices to go down on games later in the season. Hey, so many people think this is OK they should have no problem buying my PSLs and watching other people get bargain prices after the fact, right? 
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I sold my tickets, but I'm still going to give my opinion.  I saw it earlier today and thought "WTF"?? That's not right, or fair. If you are going to discount your tickets, don't put a face value on them. Quote:
I get what you are saying with that post, but here is an example that springs to mind: I pay for a cable TV package for years, then they offer a steep discount to "new customers" for two months, while I pay the same. Yeah it bugs me a little, but it's just the way it is.
It's not the same thing as cable offering discounts to new customers, sorry. I call cable at times and request that price. If they don't give it to me, I ask how long I have to be cancelled to be considered new. One day. Okay, cancel me for one day, then hook me back up. They then realize it isn't worth the trouble of doing it and give me the price anyway. Think the Browns would do that for PSL holders?
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I would not like it if the game is blacked out, therefore I'm fine with this.
Indians do stuff like this all the time. I don't see what the big deal is.
If anything, I'm more concerned about how apathetic everyone is.
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If the team doesn't sell out the stadium, then the August 22 broadcast on WKYC-TV will be blacked out in the Cleveland market and three affiliate markets in Youngstown, Columbus and Dayton.
Btw, this is also B.S. The Dayton station airing the preseason games has said they have a contract with the Browns and will show the games. They didn't put an asterisk beside the comment.
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Yes....and if the Browns are playing well you won't get a sniff of half off or even face value tickets. That's the gamble you take by having a guaranteed seat to every game.
Look, I'm not saying you have to smile and be happy.......but this is how stuff works. They have to do whatever it takes to fill that stadium.
It sucks......but the only way to rid yourself of the problem is to stop being a season ticket holder. This same stuff has been going on forever in every city. I'm a little shocked you're so upset....this is like complaining about taxes in March (its a given you might get screwed a bit as a STH).
And again, if they start winning, you're the one guaranteed great games that all your friends are paying double and triple on eBay for. It goes both ways.
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They start doing this with regular season games and they can kiss my dough goodbye for next year. I'll just sell my PSLs and wait for the prices to go down on games later in the season.
Hey, so many people think this is OK they should have no problem buying my PSLs and watching other people get bargain prices after the fact, right?
Where are your seats? I missed out on the last offer I had opposite of the Dawg Pound. I have a couple offers now but I dont like the location. Im taking advantage of the sales now. Some people cant afford the $45 seats and to take their sons. Its preseason and more family orientated. But if I find a seat I like i will buy the PSLs off anyone and not worry about what others are paying. If I like the product, I will pay for what is offered. Im not worried about others. People who cant afford to buy season tickets cant complain if you sell your Steeler game for double the face value. I paid over face value for every game I get off Ebay. And dont say people dont sell there tickets to more than face value to Steeler fans because I see way too many Steeler fans sitting at the games.
Any season ticket holders that dont like it, PM me thier seat location and I will buy your PSLs today.
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It's not the same thing as cable offering discounts to new customers, sorry. I call cable at times and request that price
Yeah but I'm dealing with a cable company that has a monopoly. Their way or the highway. In the U.S. I believe you have more options.
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If they're charging season ticket holders full price they should charge everyone full price.
If you're too cheap or just can't afford a ticket and it gets blacked out then too bad. Watch the replay on NFL Network...
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If they're charging season ticket holders full price they should charge everyone full price.
If you're too cheap or just can't afford a ticket and it gets blacked out then too bad. Watch the replay on NFL Network...
I don't have NFL Network because the cable company has a monopoly.
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Peen, First let me say I understand your side. I understand your frustration. But from a business standpoint, it makes perfect sense.
They have a perishable asset (the game), any seats they don't sell, regardless of price are gone. They will never recover that revenue. It's just the way it is. But it's also impacting their revenue via advertising. I'm certain that they sell the advertising spaces on the pitch that they sell out every game, which exposes any ads to that many fans. If they aren't they need to hire me because that's exactly the pitch I'd use. Not to mention the ads for the TV spots. It's better to get 50% than to get nothing.
Now that's not to say you as a season ticket holder overpaid. We all know that if they didn't require pre-season tickets to be included, they wouldn't even be remotely close to selling out a preseason game. But you have some value as a season ticket holder as well. You got your tickets in the same seat, you got first dibs on extra tickets should you want/need some. You also get first crack at (and I'm being nice here) playoff tickets if/when we get there. Your value as a season ticket holder is that you know exactly what/where/when for every game.
They still have to sell out the game, better to sell 5,000 tickets (or whatever the number is) at 50% than nothing at all.
(And no, I'm not a season ticket holder currently. But I was for a long time before I left Cleveland)
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Any season ticket holders that dont like it, PM me thier seat location and I will buy your PSLs today.
I may be PMing you at the end of the season. Especially if we don't win more than 6 games. BTW my seats are in section 115.
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Do either of you buy season tickets???
If so, I will listen to you. If not. I won't.
If you aren't going to listen to everyones opinion, then why post?
Is if fair to the season ticket holders? No, it's not but then again is it fair that non-season ticket holders may have to pay more than full price for a ticket to a regular season game? That's not really fair either. The point is, it is what it is. If you were the Browns, you would do the same.
IMO, preseason tickets shouldn't be part of season ticket packages because most don't care all that much anyway. I would be more pissed off about having to pay full price for a game that doesn't even count than some people who either can't afford season tickets or on a waiting list who get a chance to go to a game cheaper. There is a lot that isn't fair, PSL's for example aren't exactly fair to the fans either but it is what it is.
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Browns and WHIO-TV Ink Partnership Posted: 4:46 pm EDT June 15, 2009Updated: 11:07 am EDT July 14, 2009 The Cleveland Browns and WHIO-TV have reached a deal that will allow WHIO to broadcast three Browns pre-season games this August. The games on Saturday's August 15, 22 and 29, will be broadcast on either Digital Channel 7.1 or 7.2. Additionally, pre and post game shows for all three games will be broadcast on Digital Channel 7.2. Schedule 8/15 8pm @ Green Bay Digital Channel 7.2 8/22 7:30pm vs. Detroit Digital Channel 7.1 8/29 7:30pm vs. Tennessee Digital Channel 7.2 WHIO will not be able to broadcast the final pre-season game on Thursday, September 3rd. http://www.whiotv.com/news/19759921/detail.html
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It's lost revenue. If they don't sell it, they lose that possible revenue forever. It's not like a retail shop where what you don't sell today, you get to sell tomorrow. Once that game is done, there is no recouping that seat, those concessions, the apparel, the program, the parking. That's a lot of money to lose.
But it does give those who are season ticket holders a valid arguement and it's something that if enough call and complain, perhaps you can get a better outcome for future years.
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Is if fair to the season ticket holders? No, it's not but then again is it fair that non-season ticket holders may have to pay more than full price for a ticket to a regular season game? That's not really fair either.
Do you guys understand that NOT paying over face is part of the reason to buy season tickets? Doesn't mean it's okay to get ripped off when the team sells them for less. 
Have preseason games sold out in the past, anyway?? It's never full.
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Thats how it is. Wait until the last minute on many things and you can sometimes find a deal. It's not fair. But no one ever said life is fair.
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BS....that isn't how it is....this is the first friggen game at home...how much are they going to discount the last???
Do either of you buy season tickets???
If so, I will listen to you. If not. I won't.
Well I guess that means you'll ignore this reply.
If the last game is sold out, then there won't be a reason to discount it. They're trying to fill the stadium, and this is probably the easiest way to do it besides offering cheap hookers and free beer.
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I have never understood why they charge full price to begin with....it's just a PR nightmare....
if you increase the 8 home regular season games by 10% each, you can decrease the 2 preseason games by 40% and make the same amount of $$$ overall (if all sellouts).
that gives you the a 45% difference, but EVERYONE gets it and everyone is happier about things.
example by the numbers:
$100 ticket
8 regular + 2 preseason games = $1000
8 * $110 + 2 * $60 = $880 + $120 = $1000
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If you're too cheap or just can't afford a ticket and it gets blacked out then too bad. Watch the replay on NFL Network...
I don't have NFL Network because the cable company has a monopoly.
There's plenty of options. AT&T Uverse and Direct TV have it. Many bars have it. There's also tickets available obviously...
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I would like to know when they'll yank it from my local station. The day of the game? The night before?
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I think it's 72 hours before. The Vikings and Cards playoff games had to keep getting extensions to sell out last season and I think I remember them saying 72 hours was the original deadline...
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I believe that Ch 10 from Columbus will televise that one.. can you catch that broadcast?
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I just saw the family package for 4 tickets, 4 pops, and 4 dogs for $99. The buyer saves like $62. Great deal for families and preseason is more of a family atmosphere. But for the season ticket holders, they should at the very least offer you guys a free dog and drink for paying full price.
How would that make you feel?
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Well as an outsider who doesn't get to maybe 1 game every 5 or 6 years, and surely doesn't have season tickets. I always thought pre-season games should be sold at a discount, and that season ticket holders should get pre-season at no, or even more discounted prices.
But I understand the marketing of selling tickets cheaper as the event draws near and there are many tickets left. It's actually rather common. Like a cruise, if you book your cruise last minute, you will most likely get a better price than someone who booked months ago, but you'll end up with that broom closet for a cabin.
In the end, for every attendee there is an average amount they will spend on concessions. So while the ticket may have only cost $16, they will spend the same $40 on beer and dogs as everyone else. And the team is just trying to cover operation costs of running a game.
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does anyone know how close the stadium is to being a sellout? I havent missed a game in 10 years and im not about to start now  also on another note, the preseason blackout rules must be different, because I was under the impression that the blackout radius was 75 miles
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I believe that Ch 10 from Columbus will televise that one.. can you catch that broadcast?
I'm sure Mike Taggart can get them all on satellite. Thing is, we weren't going to be there for the first three preseason since they were being televised. Looks like the Browns have screwed us over again.
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But for the season ticket holders, they should at the very least offer you guys a free dog and drink for paying full price.
How would that make you feel?
 A hot dog and a drink? No thanks. Give me the same discount. I also think non season ticket holders that paid full price for tickets before the offer should get money back.
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But for the season ticket holders, they should at the very least offer you guys a free dog and drink for paying full price.
How would that make you feel?
Hey, they gave us LOTS of coupons with our tickets this year. I don't know why everybody is so bent out of shape.  
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Thing is, we weren't going to be there for the first three preseason since they were being televised. Looks like the Browns have screwed us over again.
You weren't going to the game, even though you have tickets because it was gonna be on TV. Now because it's not going to be on TV you're upset even though you still have those tickets (or maybe not if you sold them).
The Browns are trying NOT to screw you by getting the game sold out so it can be televised. For you and all the other fans in the area. Yes, you paid full price for a preseason game. We can debate if that is actually a good idea or not (and I think we have in the past, and you and I agree that the preseason games should be 50% off to begin with, but that's another thread). The idea is to get the stadium sold out. Some folks paid more, some paid less. That's the way business is sometimes.
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But for the season ticket holders, they should at the very least offer you guys a free dog and drink for paying full price.
How would that make you feel?
Exactly, throw me some discounts/free stuff to make up for how they pinched me. It could be special access/seating at Training Camp, autograph access, game jerseys, and so on. Even give us a choice to fore go the freebies and get thrown into a drawing to be on the sideline for a game.
Just a little something that says "I still love you baby".
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Football is a different business, though.
If Best Buy has a TV on sale I'm not forced to buy a PSL to have the privilege of buying that TV. And I don't have to buy that TV again every year at the same time (usually at a higher price than last year) or lose my buying privileges.
Also, a store like Best Buy, Sears, whoever, will honor a sale price on an item retroactively if you go in and talk to them. If it's in a reasonable amount of time. That is, if I buy the previously mentioned TV on Tuesday for $500 and it goes on sale on Saturday for $400 most places will honor that sale price if you go in and talk to them. That is if they didn't already tell you on Tuesday that it will go on sale in 4 days if you'd like to wait.
I seriously doubt the Browns are gonna tell me that since this has ticked me off that they'll be refunding me some cash. Or even coughing up a free hot dog. I'm over a barrel and they know it.
Look, NFL teams screw the consumer six ways to Sunday at almost every chance they get. So this doesn't surprise me. But it doesn't mean it's right or that I can't be angry about it.
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