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BEREA: Braylon Edwards took a quick mental inventory of his previous four years in Cleveland and could not recall a single instance of the Browns using the no-huddle offense to change the tempo of a game.

''Just when we need it — end of halves, end of games or down by a lot,'' the team's Pro Bowl receiver said.

That is about to change.

Since training camp began Aug. 1, coach Eric Mangini has drilled the Browns on the no-huddle every day. Quarterback Derek Anderson said he loves it, because it allows him to get in a rhythm. The Browns will likely get more work on it during Saturday night's preseason opener at Green Bay.

''Today I think I completed almost every ball,'' Anderson said Wednesday. ''Especially if you get against guys like Big Baby [Shaun Rogers] out there, you get him out there running around and you can't get him off the field. You make guys adjust to that and adjust to your tempo. I think it's helped us. It's helped the big guys with their conditioning. It can be a weapon for us.''

Mangini was not surprised that Anderson was a fan.

''A lot of quarterbacks tend to like the no-huddle because if you can put enough pressure on the defense, it tends to simplify them,'' Mangini said Thursday. ''Not as much disguise, not as much variation, hard to substitute in. There's a lot of real pluses to it. There's some minuses to it as well.

''What I ideally want to do is have the ability to go no-huddle at any time during the game. If we want to go the whole game in it, we could. If we want to go a few series, we could. Then there's the two-minute no-huddle, which is even more up tempo.''

Edwards said he is enjoying the change of pace the no-huddle brings.

''It keeps the defense off-balance and allows you to get some easy first downs, get some easy plays,'' he said. ''You control the tempo. You can gas the big guys up front if you're playing a team like ourselves; you speed it up and get them tired, then you slow down to the tempo you want.''

Mangini said he used the no-huddle almost exclusively during his first season as New York Jets coach in 2006. His nine years as a defensive assistant with the Jets and New England Patriots helped him realize its merits, along with his time as an offensive assistant under Baltimore Ravens coach Ted Marchibroda in 1996.

''Learning from him and seeing how effective it was . . . that was a great experience for me, to be on the other side of the ball and to see a system that has evolved over time,'' Mangini said. ''A lot of teams use variations of his system.''

Former Browns coach Romeo Crennel was asked frequently about using the no-huddle, but usually responded that he wanted to stick to the fundamentals.

Thus far when the no-huddle has been used in practice and in Sunday's scrimmage, Anderson said the offensive play calls have come from the sideline. He's not sure whether the quarterbacks would get more freedom as the preseason — and perhaps the season — progresses.

Anderson said he doesn't believe making it work is that difficult.

''It's just calling our plays, running our offense, making sure we communicate to all 11 guys what we're doing with the crowd noise,'' he said. ''That's probably the biggest part, which I think we've done a pretty good job of in practice.''

Dawson comes through

Kicker Phil Dawson drew a huge cheer as practice ended, hitting a 50-yard field goal to give his teammates the night off from meetings. Presumably, they still had curfew.

''Because of No. 4 we get to go home for a little while,'' Edwards said.

Brownies

Mangini declined to name his starting quarterback for Saturday, saying he would tell them today. . . . Sitting out practice were nose tackle Rogers, linebacker David Bowens, running back Jerome Harrison, receiver David Patten and tight end John Madsen. Cornerback Eric Wright had his right foot and ankle examined, but returned to action. Back on the field were Edwards (who said he expects to play Saturday), receiver Lance Leggett and rookie running back James Davis, who said he missed two sessions after having a wisdom tooth removed. . . . The next practice is Monday from 1:30-3:30 p.m.

You want to know what I like about this, probably moreso than the offense getting familiar with it?

The Defense getting used to it! I hate it how they always used to get a deer-in-headlights look whenever the opposing offense would start it up. Hopefully, with the squad and coaches seeing it and teaching how to stop it we'll get better at defending it.

So BQ doesn't run the No-Huddle...I wonder why he was not interviewed about it either.

I'm glad we will...its great to get a team tired - the D gets to have their rotation in while the O pretty much stays pat. As Mangini stated - its a good tool. Of course if Misused it could have its draw backs. I believe that would be if we went 3 n out our D wouldn't have much time to rest.

JMHO - looking forward to it. Man it sounds like DA is going to be our starter.... Why must M/K learn the hard way

I don't like this. I'd rather our offense stick to good old fashioned predictability. I mean, it's only fair to keep opposing defenses on a level playing field with us.

I think you are reading way too much into this. DA could very well end up the starter, but I see nothing in these articles to support that.

wow It really feels like DA is going to be starter ............ No huddle is good, and like the fact DA loves it. But right now all plays are coming from sideline, wud like to see how DA will do on the road with No Huddle

Anderson is a fan of the no-huddle offense!!.. That is funny, he cannot even execute a 2-minute offense but wants the no-huddle... LMAO!! What will happen when the headset does not work and he has to think of a play!!..

I agree with your post BUT Anderson has not run an effective 2-minute drill in game situations, let alone his so called wanting to run a no-huddle offense!! Think about it, everytime in games last year, DA would blame a headset or something as why a 2minute situation got screwed up. This year in the scrimmage, what happens, he screws up a 2-minute situation with the infamous bad helmet headset!!!.. And now he says he would want to run a no-huddle.. yea right!!

Sorry Toad,
Your wrong. Even if the play does not come in from the sidelines, the QB still should have an idea of what he wants to call in that situation. Since there are only 25 seconds to call the next play, if the coach(O-coord) cannot get the play in, then its on the QB to get in the huddle and call a play! And using Dilfer as your example is almost funny. In today's game, the coaches call almost all of the game, the one time when QB has a bit more control is in the 2-minute drill.

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I think you are reading way too much into this. DA could very well end up the starter, but I see nothing in these articles to support that.

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nothing to support it, nothing denying it... I think it's as clear as Mud....

Seriosly, I doubt it means anything at this point. We haven't even played one Preseason game yet. Maybe we'll begin to see what's what starting tomorrow night..

Where does it say Quinn doesn't run the no-huddle?

Both guys ran it in the scrimmage. Ratliff and Bartel didn't though.

Anyway, I've been calling for this for years.

When I heard they were doing this, I thought it was the best news coming out of camp so far.

Dilfer was getting in trouble with Mo Carthon about not being able to audible at the line. I always wanted to know why a o-coord would put that kind of restriction on an offense??

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And so you say that Anderson cannot.........and has not...........done that.

Prove it. Give an example.

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i got an example. derek anderson on the scrimmage game:

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(On if they had a problem with the helmet communication)- "Yes, we had a problem with that last year. They'll get it fixed. The whole first three drives it was in and out. I just started calling my own plays."

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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/08/postscrimmage_transcript_derek.html

oh wait, you wanted support for his side. oops.

Urbrowns,
I did not see your response at first. Yes, there is a difference in a 2-minute offense drill vs a no huddle offense. BUT the one common factor is that the QB has to have a command of the entire offense. Now when has Anderson shown he has a command of the offense?? When has he shown that he could take a team down the field without needing plays coming in from the sidelines?? And in his 2-minute drills when there is that flexibility to do that, how has Anderson fared?? I'm not saying the Browns should not use it, just that Anderson being a fan of it but having problems running a 2-minute drill is funny as hell!!

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When has he shown that he could take a team down the field without needing plays coming in from the sidelines??

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Let's assume for the moment that Toad is correct when he says that RAC and his OC's always controlled the plays, even in the two minute...

If Toad is correct (and I don't know that he is or isn't) then when would DA have had the opportunity to prove he could or couldn't run the 2 min?

Just wondering?

Oh, I understand. And I didn't really need to quote you, as I wasn't replying to you, just in general.

I guess my broader point was that running a no-huddle doesn't necessarily preclude plays from being sent in from the sideline since time isn't an issue. Plus, if Anderson likes it, he may be able to reach a certain comfort level in it that allows him to get in a rhythm. I think at times DA actually overthinks things - paralysis by analysis, so to speak.

That said, I'm not holding my breathe. Actually, I'm prepared to be disappointed with both DA and Quinn and looking for a new QB in the off-season. But I hope that doesn't happen!

Toad,
First, Crennel was not calling the offensive plays, that was Chudzinsk, the O-Coord that was the wunderkid his first year, crap the next!!
Second - just play, watch or listen to any coach or player talk about an effective 2-minute drill. IF the coodinator does not get the play in, the QB has to call the play. Last year, if you remember, DA would have his hands over his ear holes for 20 seconds and would not just go get in the huddle and call HIS PLAY!!
Last, oh yea, I remember Dilfer's blow ups with Carthon and not being able to audible out of plays. But If you remember, Dilfer could audible in Balt but he sure did not call the plays there either!! Now in a 2-minute drill, I bet he had more freedom to make his calls!!

Fair Question Damon!
Even if RAC or Chud controlled EVERY PLAY of every down DA played, once the headset goes out, then what?? Call timeout after every play?? Hell, inside of 30 seconds on the game clock, you usually are given 2 plays. How many times did DA get those guys back to the line to execute the second play?? Again, I'm not saying the no-huddle shouldn't be used. But DA has not run a good 2-minute offense since he has been a Brown. And guess what, what happened at the scrimmage this year!

Urbrowns,
I guess everyone on this board has been waiting for just 1 of these QBs to make their mark on the job or come in during preseason and win the job and lead the Browns. But when I hear DA having problems in the 2-minute drill( per usual), I can only laugh when he says he wants to run a no huddle!!

And just like you, we want to find SOMETHING in the offense he can feel comfortable doing. Maybe I will be surprised during the Green Bay game!

OK Deep Threat,
I will call your BS and raise you 1!!..

First - the last minutes of a game does not equal under 2 minutes of a half or game!
Second - 2007, wow, when we gotta go back that far, thats a problem!!
Third - I will raise ya 2008 season, how did he look last year!!
Fourth - Again, I will say that if DA comes out here this year, hell, this preseason and looks like he is in command of the offense, makes good decisions..etc, then let him be the QB. BUT when I read that he is crapping up the 2-minute drill but wants to run a no-huddle, I gotta laugh!!

Well, you have completely confused me now.....

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First - the last minutes of a game does not equal under 2 minutes of a half or game!

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Huh?

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Second - 2007, wow, when we gotta go back that far, thats a problem!!
Third - I will raise ya 2008 season, how did he look last year!!

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Anyone that wants to know DA's worth can't just look at 2008 and say,, that's it,,, In 2008 the ENTIRE team,, in fact, the ENTIRE organization fell apart.. do you really wanna say that was the Best DA had to offer? I don't.

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BUT when I read that he is crapping up the 2-minute drill but wants to run a no-huddle, I gotta laugh!!

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I really don't know the answer to this, But are all coaches idea of a two minute offense identical?

Just wondering

the loss at Cinci in 2007.... our coaches completely effed up the last 100 seconds of the game: not knowing when to call TO, and not knowing when to spike the ball on 1st and 10, instead they let valuable ticks off the clock. There are times when seconds are more valuable than wasting a down,a nd that game convinced me that RAC/Chud was/were clueless.

Thanks for the read.

It is interesting how things are read into this....

I didn't get the impression at all that the use of no huddle excludes Brady.

This can suit both QBs. Obviously the question is how well we can run it. Eliminating or reducing defensive substitution can diminish the meltdowns by reducing or exploiting pressure on the QB. As mentioned, the execution is a team effort. I've seen some good things from Derek in hurry up situations. Maybe the meltdowns just cloud that out for some?

If my expectations of the offense are anywhere near reality, I expect Brady to start. With Kellen and Joe gone and a revamped receiving corp that could likely have rookies on the field thru 2009, I expect a run / play action type set up, hopefully with motion to read and / or adjust to the defense. Who knows maybe there are some audibles to be had. I actually don't know where Daboll is coming from relative to philosophy, but I tend to think that our personnel pushes us to this. If nothing else, we now have something closer to a 6th lineman at TE. I think this falls to Brady's favor, especially since his legs can help. Rollouts and waggles offer another wrinkle that I don't think that Derek can pull off as well.

Call me crazy, but when I finished reading the article I thought it was amusing how coaching philosophies and innovations flow. If I have my football history right, our club started with Coach Brown, Bill Walsh was one of his assistants and one of Walsh's proteges, Sam Wyche, brings the hurry up to the NFL (at least as we know it now). Maybe this is integrated into our offense and is a real strategy rather than some gimmick. I hope so and I'm looking forward to it.

Btw Draftdayz, I also think this is good for our D. Just as Mack learning his trade in the NFL against Shuan is good for the young center.

Pressure is vital. Our offense needs to do more things effectively, do them less predictably, and do this more often. I am not a fan of no-huddle; its advantages are secondary, and some are mental at best. A team who cannot run a play out of regular huddle, who collects flags like candy at Halloween, and does poorly at avoiding the 3 and out that DA and company have turned into a lifestyle can be hurt rather than helped. It also can promote further mistakes. If we are solider, it can give opponents a rough time. But it can make the user look uncomposed as well. Mannings at the line are one thing; but DA using it when he has trouble getting his reads and not locking on early is very, very different. Just allowing offense to screw up in new trendy ways. Why no BQ in article?