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if we had a qb like brees, we'd still have fans rooting for the backup

I don't think it would be a good idea to dump either of our QB's this year. I would like to see DA start. I figure he is the more experienced of the two, and has the most potential--so I go that route.

We can keep Quinn holding the clipboard for another year and if Anderson gets hurt--then we have Quinn, to come in and run the offense.

I still believe that despite last year, Quinn has to win this thing hands down to unseat Anderson as starter--and I have yet to see that.

We hold on to both of them as long as we can, and I believe that Mangini will be able to make the right decision with regard to the long-term answer at the QB position.

I understand the argument of DA having more potential, but like I said in another thread. If he hasn't reached his potential yet (I'm not saying he hasn't made strides between this offseason and now) he isn't going to. He is at the breaking off point. This is his last chance for us. We can't keep using the potential argument. He's going into his 4th year, and quite frankly, that should be more than enough.

We'll see what happens.

Thank you. You're right.

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If he hasn't reached his potential yet (I'm not saying he hasn't made strides between this offseason and now) he isn't going to.

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Why is that? Is there some rule that I am unaware of? Is it an age thing? Or is it a games started thing? Or a season thing?

Don't follow.

He has had two years starting. One year we were 10-6, and another year we were what, 4-12. I think its a tad bit premature don't you think?

At any rate, I think that Mangini WILL make the right decision.

the easiest way to see this is simply that eli manning has just started to get it. eli with more starts, yet performs roughly just as well (or poor depending on how you view it). eli has a CAREER 55.9% completion, 98 tds to 74 ints, and that's with a 9 game rookie season and FOUR full seasons of starting. and eli is on the verge of a $100 million contract.

now, are you really saying that a 6th round pick, who is mirroring the development of a highly touted 1st round pick who has the "pedigree," but doing it faster, is not improving quickly enough and that he (DA) will never get any better? that's ludicrous. yes, the sample size is small but i see a lot of mirroring here.

it's this simple: if we see that DA is better than he was in 08, and was better than he was on 07, and then was better in 06, he is improving and we can be satisfied.

06 - raw, made a few throws, didn't really accomplish much
07 - established his ability to connect on intermediate and deep routes
08 - went 180 pass attempts without throwing an int, despite having a TEAM that played below their ability
09 - will his short passes improve? can be play a complete game? most importantly, can be MAKE himself get into rythmn?

if he begins to address these questions, then he's continuing to improve. it's unreasonable to simply expect SPIKES in improvement because it's still a TEAM game. so far in these preseason games, DA has throw softer, more accurate short throws. sure there were still some misses but it's clear his short throw has improved (threw two good screens, as well as some solid dumpoffs at the last 40 seconds, before an inaccurate throw to davis). it's also clear that he got something out of his teammates last night because they clearly get pumped when DA gives them chances to make big plays.

all this doesn't take away from quinn but i find it funny that one of your posts, you said "quinn has been the same in camp, maybe a little worse" when all of your "scouting reports" say that quinn was horribly innaccurate, couldn't hit receivers in stride, and DA was clearly outplaying him. pretty inconsistent.

all this said, quinn has improved as well. as we've all said, it just comes down to what mangini will want to prefer but i'm willing to bet that DA is in the lead.

i certainly wouldn't care if quinn got the starting job but what really irks me is so many self-proclaimed experts who say someone will "never get it" or "never improve" yet refuses to acknowledge the signs that are smack in front of them. plenty of times, people care more about being right than objectively viewing things. and yes, we're ALL guilty of that.

This team would be stupid to trade DA at this point. Not saying that if they do it wont work out to our advantage, but keeping the pressure on one another is going to bring out the competitor in each other. Heroes are never forgotten but Legends never die.

Well put.

I simply think that expecting a QB to hit his boom or bust point after just 27 starts is silly, especially one that posted a 13-14 record in that span.

Ok, sorry about derailing the topic a bit but teams that could use a starting QB and don't have a yound QB that was just drafted are the Rams and that is it... Evey other team has a QB at the same level or better than Quinn, Anderson. Bulger has seen better days and they don't have a very good backup (Kyle Boller). I don't see any other team even thinking about trading for a QB unless their starter gets a season ending injury.

Here is what I mean by my earlier statement. If DA can't prove that he can be a good QB this year, It's time to give up on him. IF named the starter, he will be going into his third season as our starter, and I see no reason to give him longer if he can't succeed.

Now, as far as my camp reports went, I basically said that they both were awful, but DA was slightly better. I stand by this statement. Neither one of them looked worth a crap.

And I don't mean to come across completely anti-DA. I have defended him many more times than I have ripped on him. Just a few weeks ago, I was stating my doubts about Quinn with his accuracy on long throws.

I like DA; I really do. I think he has a great skill set, and is a good leader. He obviously has a cannon arm and can make plays. I don't buy into the crap about him not having a huddle presence, or the teammates preferring Quinn. But I hate his faults. He has made many stupid decisions, and his accuracy on short, simple passes drives me up the wall. His inconsistency frustrates me to no end, and it's to the point where I don't trust him in a big situation. He has let us down too many times for my liking.

With that said, I am far from sold on Quinn. I like his pocket presence, his smarts, and leadership, but I question his accuracy on the long bomb, as well as how much zip he gets on certain passes, mainly outs.

Each player seems to have "won" one preseason game thus far. May the best man win. No matter who does, I will support them.

just to clarify, you changed the post that i responded to. i'm merely referring to this because my response looks off topic and more aggressive simply because you completely changed what you said.

nothing wrong with backpeddling though. i agree with your editted post more than the original one.

I did not change my post. I don' t know what makes you say that, but I didn't edit anything.

you're right. i misread the second time. my fault.

Dang, I wish savage threw some of that plentiful free agent money at him.

Deep...

when has he "let us down"...Now I know there have been times that DA has let us down. I know he's had some really really bad games...but how many times has he let us down, where...had we had a different QB, the result would have been different?

I dont want this to sound like a calling out question...i'm just interested in what times he let us down, because i've not seen that many times.

jc

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Dang, I wish savage threw some of that plentiful free agent money at him.

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Brees was coming off an injury to his throwing arm at that time,, it was probably a crap shoot whether or not he'd come back sound again.. I guess that Savage didn't think it was a good bet... The Saints guessed right...

Bengals game of '07, that he blew.

agreed, that was a tough call. it'd be like paying big bucks for a free agent rb who had one successful season and then blew his knee out.

not to mention, savage still wanted to see his pick pan out i'm sure.

i dont disagree with that one...

however, i for the life of me cant figure out why they threw the ball that many times that game. his stats merely doubled Carson Palmers...but ok.

Theres more yea?

I agree, PPE.

Let me see if I can sum up the future arguments here.

DA starts and BQ is backup: What are we doing, BQ should start!
BQ starts and DA is backup: Yay! BQ is the greatest!

DA starts and struggles: I told you BQ should be in there!
BQ starts and struggles: Why didn't this stupid coaching staff start DA?

DA starts and succeeds: It's just a matter of time until he lets us down. We should put in BQ now.
BQ starts and succeeds: Told you so!

DA starts and we trade BQ: This stupid team!
BQ starts and we trade DA: Yay! BQ is the greatest!

DA starts, we trade BQ, and DA struggles: Grrr! Fire them all!
BQ starts, we trade DA, and BQ struggles: Why didn't this stupid team start/keep DA?

DA starts, we trade BQ, and DA succeeds: Oh man, the other shoe will drop soon. We're doomed to fail.
BQ starts, we trade DA, and BQ succeeds: Oh man, the other shoe will drop soon. We're doomed to fail.

Did I miss anything?

You forgot the delusional "Quinn will come in shirtless on a white horse and save us no matter what! We are smarter than the coaching staff!" crowd.

mangini hates both of quinn and DA starts ratliff with bartel as the backup. then trades quinn and DA for two grilled-cheese sandwiches: collective fan suicide.

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Did I miss anything?

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Ya....Is Tim Couch healthy....

so is ben gay

I don't care if he ran for 500 yards. If you only give up 19 points, and force 3 turnovers. You should win the game, period.

normally yes. not when it was clearly not a throwing day. it's not like palmer outplayed DA in that game either. they both sucked, it just so happened DA sucked more because he had to throw more. not saying it's not all on DA but when your 1st string defense can't stop a 3rd string rb, let alone the 3rd string rb on a terrible running team, there are still problems. everyone failed in that game but even then, we still had a shot to win in the last seconds of the game.