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He hasnt done anything as a player since the first 8 games of 2007, pretty simple to stop DA, run a cover 2 deep. He cant read the field or the pre-snap. Seen this movie 3 times, and like most movies, it doesnt change from time to time.
DA is football dumb, his mechanics and footwork are decent at best, and his confidence and leaderships skills stink. He has alot of physical talent, loads, but he can't translate that into a productive playing career.
He'll always be "almost turning to corner", nothin more than a bigtime talent that teases and never produces.
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this is another argument I just dont get.
What QBs have ever done that? Who is there that has started and gone to a pro bowl (alternate or not) and then cooled off and then was "always almost ready to turn the corner but never did"?
There are players who have had no success and looked like they might turn into something (JP Losman, Trent Edwards, Kyle Orton, Kyle Boller and the like), but there are many more QBs that didnt look like they would but then did...
Chad Pennington, Eli, Kurt Warner (after the Giants dumped him), Brees, Vinny Testaverde, Jeff Garcia (fell off here but bounced back in TB), even Luke McCown is starting to get it
Theres just very little basis to say that Derek Anderson has peaked. Thats...absurd. He's 26 years old. There are QBs that came around in their 30s...todd collins, damon huard, warner and so on.
How has Derek Anderson peaked...that hes made questionable (ok sometimes bad) decisions for 3 years?
Name me 1 24-26 year old person who hasnt made bad decisions for 3 years...in any sport, or in life.
He'll get it...but not if we cast him off.
Thing is...if we get rid of him...Someone is going to give him a chance in an offense like Arizona's and hes going to light it up...because he's done it before. He dropped off because of mishandling of style, and poor surrounding talent...and dont undervalue the effects of the concussion that rocked him in the preseason. Dont believe it can screw you up? Look at Trent Edwards last year...look at Steve Young, Trent Green...These were great QBs or QBs having great years before a concussion (or in steve youngs case 37483864 of em).
The DA has peaked talk is tired.
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I don't want to trade Anderson or Quinn. Whoever loses the QB battle needs to stick around and be a backup until the season is over. Brett Ratliff has looked pretty bad and I don't want our hopes riding on him if our starter goes down.
Keep both QB's the whole season. Give the guy that wins the starting competition 8 or 9 weeks to prove himself. If he doesn't bring in the other QB and hope he brings something to the table. Hopefully whoever wins the competition sticks as the starter so this won't be a problem.
But after the season is over we have two options. Trade the backup or trade both Quinn and Anderson and start over at the QB position.
For now, keep both.
P.S. There is no way the Vikings trade Taylor for Anderson.
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Thing is...if we get rid of him...Someone is going to give him a chance in an offense like Arizona's and hes going to light it up...because he's done it before. He dropped off because of mishandling of style, and poor surrounding talent...and dont undervalue the effects of the concussion that rocked him in the preseason. Dont believe it can screw you up? Look at Trent Edwards last year...look at Steve Young, Trent Green...These were great QBs or QBs having great years before a concussion (or in steve youngs case 37483864 of em).
Sad part is you actually believe this drivel.... I am not typing on emotion here but to say DA would light it up in Az is LUDICROUS! LMFAO... Fitz and Boldin headline the best WR corps in the game but their offense is predicated on precision from the QB position. Warner has a gun but he is also acurate and leads his receivers in their routes allowing them to maximize YAC... Couple that with their natural talent and it completes their arsenal and makes them dangerous...
DA is hardly acurate and does NOT lead his receivers... I saw 3 passing TD's left on the field on DA's 1st two possessions STRICTLY on those two weaknesses.... Everyone chubs when they see him throw bombs down the field and they lose sight of the shortcomings by thinking he can be coached up... Well what I see in DA is Jake Delhommo V2.0 and doubt that we will ever see anything better than that from DA...
I am sick of the inconsistancy after two full seasons and am secretly glad I am going to Afghanistan fo rfootball season so I do not waste $300 on sunday ticket to watch him p... away game after game for us... Some of you may be content with mediocre but I am not one to be..
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What QBs have ever done that? Who is there that has started and gone to a pro bowl (alternate or not) and then cooled off and then was "always almost ready to turn the corner but never did"?
Jeff Blake in 1995 at age 25 in his first full year starting threw for 3800 yards 28 tds and had 17 ints
Derek Anderson in 2007 at age 24 in his first full year starting threw for 3800 yards 29 tds and had 19 ints
Both made the pro bowl the former peaked at age 25 and never had another truly succesful season again. The latter still has an undecided future.
EDIT: I stand corrected Blake had an ok year the following year as well 3600 yards 24 tds and 14 ints.
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well...not exactly 2 full seasons as his season ended quite early last year. but that aside...
inconsistency...ok, sure thats a decently legit argument.
but I dont believe that anyone can look at his last year and think that is the Derek Anderson that is the Derek Anderson we'll see this year. It just doesnt make sense. Last year, he missed 3/4 of the preseason games with a concussion and clearly was a different quarterback after that.
And yea he cooled off after a hot start, but that was to be expected but he threw 12 and 10 in the last 7 games...including 2 and 4 in the cincy game...take that away and he throw 10 and 6 in 6 of the last 7 games...thats not bad by any means.
Sure Kurt is accurate, but he's had years of starting and a few years in the same system with the same players and the same coaches in Az...it just surprises me that people can say he and DA could be overly different, because they both were spectacular when the NFL wasnt ready for them, and they cooled off when the talent around them fell off (STL's OL was putrid when he left and the NYG OL was the same). Kurt is more accurate...ok, but in his years that he had questionable OLs, much like DA has had here, he didnt throw 3TDs more than he thre INTs...from 2002-03, until his breakout year 2 years ago. He has a higher completion percentage, but the production hasnt been different.
The point is...he throws picks too, and a number of them have been boneheaded decisions, but with more experience you learn. And 1 1/2 years of DA isnt going to make a career for him.
and to the comment on Jeff Blake...touche...thats a good comparison, but...if you look at the team Jeff Blake played with...the longer he was there, the less talent was there...and that has to play a huge role into why he faded into oblivion. Anderson is gaining talent.
While...i again...to prove im not being a homer...I still think that BQ will be a very competent QB...his style just isnt what I personally would want starting for us.
/yea...i've fallen in love with the deep ball...and i dont so much think its coaching...yea some coaching up on technique and stuff would help him yes...but its things that experience teach you.
despite his struggles last year Derek still threw 9 tds to 8 ints and over 1500 yards and had 16 plays of 20+ yards...his completion percentage was 50...and that hurts...but thats something that can improve over time. You look at QBs that start and play with consistent reps...they get better.
Thats what I think Derek can do.
I guess...that what I think...
isnt so much that Derek is a terrific QB...but i believe that he wasnt just a flash in the pan. His troubles last year were very involved with his concussion. His cooling off at the end of 07 is natural. and he's improved...does he lapse? yea...but those lessen with experience.
I just think that if BQ really was this QB that everyone thinks he is, he wouldve separated himself.
and i maintain on record, that if Mangini wants a clock controlling, TOP QB then Quinn is your guy.
but if he wants a deep strike, quick score, sometimes turn the ball over and put your D into a tough spot kinda guy than DA is your guy. I just see with our lineup. Cribbs being a big yac guy...Furrey being good at getting into space and having GREAT hands, and BE able to get deep and tall (when he fights for it, which wont happen if its underthrown) and MoMass able to go over the middle...we'll be fine with DA. thats what i think...i think he can stretch D's and with the right gameplan...he can offset those blitzes by lobbing up nice soft jump balls for our tall guys...or hit furrey or cribbs in the slot.
maybe agree to disagree...but i see DA as able to do those things...and continue to improve...hes young still, only 28 starts (over 3 years) only one full season of starting (if you can call the last 15 with 0 1st string reps in the preseason a full season)...
he hasnt had the chance to showcase himself either. he deserves as much of a chance as Quinn.
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I think this post sums up my own feelings pretty well. Excellent post.
I will say that I see a lot of folks talking about DA cooling down or choking in the latter half of 2007 when the truth is that we went 5-3 in the second half of the season, put up 175 points in that stretch, and lost those three games by a total of 14 points in this fashion: missed FG as time expires, pass caught in the endzone but forced out of bounds as time expires, pass not caught in the endzone as time expires, and we had a pretty bad defense that year.
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I'm glad you agree...
and also I do want to point out...I really do think both QBs would be fine. I just have a personal preference for Anderson.
Hopefully that doesnt condemn my arguments...but with everything that I have said...I have not at any one point knocked Quinn at all...I just like DA better...i said it in 07...the snow slide sold me. I want him here for the duration of his career.
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I have said many, many times that I think DA gives us the best chance to win this season, and I really hope Mangini reaches this conclusion too. I think that last year made everyone look bad, the entire organization was disfunctional. There were distractions everywhere and I can't put all the blame on DA for the year.
I think saying that that year showed the "real DA" is stupid. I think that saying that he played poorly in 2007 is stupid.
I think Mangini will make the right choice---and I believe that that is going to be Mr. Anderson.
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I think its Quinn all the way....and if its not...trade him now while you can...IF DA is the guy...and he falters again this year....all it looks like is Wow...Quinn can't beat out that guy? So if you do not think Quinn is going to be the man....trade him while he has value and go get "the man" next year.
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I don't think DA is nearly as bad as he looked most of last year, I don't think he's nearly as good as people think he looked in the first half of '07 either... Seems to me that those who want him to start are still enamored with some of the deep throws and some of the excitement of early '07 but they seem to have forgotten all of the mistakes.. those who don't want him to start seem to be the opposite, they remember the mistakes more... I am trying to remember both and when I look at the big picture, DA still seems to me to be very inconsistent.. he could and probably will, still improve... but he seems like the kind of QB that is going to have a great year every 3rd year or so and could win you a superbowl, but he's going to leave you pulling your hair out frequently... and I can't afford the hair. 
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I think his inconsistency though isnt like a game by game basis...its that he just makes mistakes sometimes.
There will be games he wont make those mistakes though, and thats when he looks good.
I think inconcsistency for DA comes play by play...which I'll agree...but I think thats the kind of player most gunslingers are. With the pressure aspect...he's going to have to learn how to deal with it, otherwise he cant play football anymore. With the bad decisions...he just has to evaluate on film, and realize he cant make those.
It'll come...itll just take time. He reminds me alot of Eli...
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It'll come...itll just take time. He reminds me alot of Eli...
He reminds me more of Bubby Brister.
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No it isn't always game by game, sometimes its quarter by quarter... he does have a habit of compounding mistakes though...
There were several games in '07 where he stunk bad early (The Raiders game comes immediately to mind), he threw INT's and missed open receivers until we were down by 14-17 points.. then he'd get hot and bring us "almost" back to win... some remember him digging the hole, others remember the close comeback...
My point is that I'd rather have a less flashy, more consistent QB... I'm not in favor of the gunslinger mentality.. Is BQ that guy? I don't know but he's a lot closer to what I personally want in a QB than DA...
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I dont disagree there at all...
I'm really just backing DA because I like him better...I think Quinn will be very good, and he'll protect the ball very well and move the ball well.
I just like DA better...he seems more fun-loving and just like a guy i'd want to hang out with....where Quinn would be boring. DA is just more likeable to me. But...i do appreciate Quinn was a Browns fan...thats a good story.
Again...im fine either way, i just like DA
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King it does crack me up that you use the "who I'd rather have a beer with" and the "who likes to goof off in the snow more" in making your decision...
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King it does crack me up that you use the "who I'd rather have a beer with" and the "who likes to goof off in the snow more" in making your decision...
If that's the case, I'd think he'd have made a bigger push for us to get Kyle Orton.
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I dont disagree there at all...
I'm really just backing DA because I like him better...I think Quinn will be very good, and he'll protect the ball very well and move the ball well.
I just like DA better...he seems more fun-loving and just like a guy i'd want to hang out with....where Quinn would be boring. DA is just more likeable to me. But...i do appreciate Quinn was a Browns fan...thats a good story.
Again...im fine either way, i just like DA
So you'd choose DA over Quinn because he's a better guy to have a beer with? Well, I suppose it's better than a coin flip...
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I've been slightly misunderstood...It's why I'm pulling for him.
I really dont think we're better off or worse off with either guy at the helm. They have different strengths that our coaches can tailor our offense to, and both can be very very successful. as DC stated and i agreed...we're picking from 2 good options...not the lesser of two evils here.
DA...is just a guy I can get behind more...I'm not the coach, so I wont be making decisions, so I just pick a favorite and go with it.
I mean...I dont see why either side should be bashing the other...Yes it concerns me derek can make some bad decisions, but it also concerns me that BQ hasnt yet stood out to look better than Derek.
I think Brady can control the ball and the clock better than DA, and he can hit the shorter throws that move the chains better...but Derek can move the chains farther with his throws, and he can extend defense in ways that BQ cant.
I dont have to make the decision, so im just picking my favorite, rooting for him, and hoping he wins it...I know across the board i've been largely only defending Derek...but there hasnt really been any reason to step in and defend Brady because he is widely heralded as a good QB here on this board.
Do I think we're better off with Derek? Not really...but we're in no way worse off with him...but I do think the offense will be more dynamic with him...I think that he brings a dimension to the game that Brady doesnt...and that not many QBs in the league right now do bring. He can move the chains quickly. Thats why i support him...in addition to the idea that he seems more affable than Quinn.
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I don't think people understand that Anderson is what he. He has always been inaccurate and struggled with picking up blitzes and making calls at the line.This goes all the way back to school. My best friend went to Oregon State and when Anderson was having a good start in 2007 he told me to not get to excited. He warned me that if you live by DA you die by DA, and I have to agree.
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and Orton...if i wanted a guy to go get wasted at a party with...ok then he'd be the choice.
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Like you said, Brady can move the chains, and control the ball better.
DA, like you said, will move the chains faster. Unfortunately, a lot of that will also be moving the chains back in the other directions with turnovers and three and outs because he refuses and/or can't throw underneath and take what the defense gives him.
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Like you said, Brady can move the chains, and control the ball better.
DA, like you said, will move the chains faster. Unfortunately, a lot of that will also be moving the chains back in the other directions with turnovers and three and outs because he refuses and/or can't throw underneath and take what the defense gives him.
Basically, the difference is one gets it done (or doesn't) with only a little time coming off the clock and the other gets it done (or doesn't) with a lot more time coming off the clock.
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Again, what do you base this off of?
I know I sound like I hate DA, but that is not true. I do hate the fact that he is inconsistent, and has been thoughout his college and pro career. Many say he has upside, but he has been in the league long enough now, and had enough starts and time to correct his faults. He hasn't. He still can't control his short passes, and still, even in this past week's game, he throws off target. Even some of his completions were either behind, or in a place where it hampered the YAC.
Quinn has been inconsistent in practice, but he has been very accurate in the games, so far. The thing that bugs me, is the constant saying, by the DA guys, that he can't stretch the field. We've seen him throw deep, yet it is not acknowledged. It is also said, as if it is gospel, that he will dink and dunk only. Again, if he hasn't had enough playing time to truly know what he brings to the table, how are these things stated as fact?
In the end, I do think we could win with either, but many other things have to be factored in. But my defense of Quinn comes more from the labels that have been attached to him by the die hard DA fans.
If DA starts and wins 10 games, I will be happy as hell, just as if Quinn did the same. But looking at DA from experience, he just doesn't give me any confidence. I find it hard to believe anybody can honestly say that they have complete confidence in his game, IMO we'll always be on edge with him leading this team. And not in a good way, angst, might be a better word.
From what I have seen of Quinn, I do get a sense of leadership from him that I don't from DA. I also see the presence of a person in control. I really feel that we are wasting a very talented QB with this competition, but that's only my opinion, and that means little in the grand scheme.
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I thought that one of the problems with DA last year was the bashing he took in the media for taking chances and making mistakes so he completely went away from that aspect of his game, he tried to be a ball possession QB, which isn't his strength and it was part of our problems on offense.
The last thing I want is for BQ to start forcing deep throws just to prove he can to shut up some critics that don't matter. I'm seriously hoping he's smarter than that.
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let's dispel something. even DA backers don't say that BQ can't throw a long pass. all nfl qbs minus ken dorsey are physically able to throw a long pass. the question is his ability to connect on intermediate to deep routes. he has the ARM to do it (some claim he can't throw it on a rope like DA) but does he have the accuracy and more importantly, does he LOOK for it. what we've seen of quinn up until now is he looked for the short throw (to the point where his personal support paper, the plain dealer, questioned whether he was a dink and dunk passer), while ignoring open receivers and man on man coverage. he's made some nice 15-20 yard throws this preseason, so he's clearly improved in the area but reports from practice also say that he has been no more accurate than DA and at times, worse.
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I know I sound like I hate DA, but that is not true. I do hate the fact that he is inconsistent, and has been thoughout his college and pro career. Many say he has upside, but he has been in the league long enough now, and had enough starts and time to correct his faults. He hasn't.
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eli has a CAREER 55.9% completion, 98 tds to 74 ints, and that's with a 9 game rookie season and FOUR full seasons of starting. and eli is on the verge of a $100 million contract.
now, are you really saying that a 6th round pick, who is mirroring the development of a highly touted 1st round pick who has the "pedigree," but doing it faster, is not improving quickly enough and that he (DA) will never get any better? that's ludicrous.
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He still can't control his short passes, and still, even in this past week's game, he throws off target. Even some of his completions were either behind, or in a place where it hampered the YAC.
his throws this past week for the most part were not off target. i can think of two that would be considered off target. one throw to edwards could've led him better but as noted, edwards turned his back to the sideline and backpeddled out of bounds. that and the davis int, where mangini even said "if you ask a receivers or backs coach, they'd say if the ball hits you on the hands, you shouhld catch it." not making excuses but that's what he said. other than that, those throws were, as many of the articles put it, "pin point" INCLUDING the two screens and couple dumpoffs.
further, if you really cared about YAC, then you must think we're built like the eagles where they have speedy/shifty players instead of BIG receivers whose strength include, well, strength and jumping. personally, yac vs 20 yard completions? indifferent to me but the 20 yard completion is almost always a 1st down.
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In the end, I do think we could win with either, but many other things have to be factored in. But my defense of Quinn comes more from the labels that have been attached to him by the die hard DA fans.
die hard DA fans? where? maybe Throw Long, but that's about it. the rest of us are just keeping open minds. a month ago, there was maybe 3-4 posters here who supported DA from onsluaghts of negativity, let alone are die hard fans. even now, it's not "popular" to think DA can be a great qb. i support DA because i saw incremental improvement, despite a bad team, and a great qb when teh team played well.
it's fair what you said but the earlier part that you just wrote is what many of us have to spend time dispelling. fact is DA has improved in many of these areas that you claim he's lacking. the fact is, both sides' hardcore supporters nitpick like crazy. hell, peyton manning throws behind his receivers all the time. he's human. i'd expect DA and quinn to both miss occasionally.
i support quinn the brown, but i also question the nfl's ability to judge qbs, period. hell, billick today said the likeliness of a successful qb pick in the 1st round isn't even 50/50, it's 30/70, with 70% failing.
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From what I have seen of Quinn, I do get a sense of leadership from him that I don't from DA. I also see the presence of a person in control. I really feel that we are wasting a very talented QB with this competition, but that's only my opinion, and that means little in the grand scheme.
if quinn was that much more talented, he would've grabbed this job like so many expected. as the thought that's beginning to catch steam, it's a good sign that DA is competing well, but it's not a good sign that someone like quinn, who is supposed to have so many tools, is having a tough time beating DA out.
i'm like you. i want both qbs to pan out. i just want ONE qb so for once, if we argue about qbs, it's about who should be the backup. i think that's one of the things any team needs to turn a corner because it sucks to have such a distraction. that said, for the same reasons you feel compelled to defend quinn against some posters (why, i don't even know as he's easily the most popular player on the team anyways and at least 3/4 of the population on this board wants him to start), others here such as myself are compelled to defend DA.
it's only because of unfair misconceptions and exaggerations in the heat of debate, that these two players have become caricatures of themselves in the eyes of the fans.
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I don't think people understand that Anderson is what he. He has always been inaccurate and struggled with picking up blitzes and making calls at the line.This goes all the way back to school. My best friend went to Oregon State and when Anderson was having a good start in 2007 he told me to not get to excited. He warned me that if you live by DA you die by DA, and I have to agree.
So, DA is inaccurate, can't pickup blitzes, and can't make calls at the line.
And our 3rd year first round pick can't beat him out for the starting job. Does that worry you? Or are you one that thinks "Brady just needs the chance"? (he's had the chance - for 3 years now)
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I never looked at DA in that aspect, and I must say it does sound somewhat logical. But again, to me that shows me that he lacks confidence in himself. In his interviews, he is always saying he just needs to have fun. Football is a tough sport. The QB has to have an ego somewhat. He has to be able to tell himself that he is in control and play up to his ability. If trying to adapt his game to the situation is taking the fun out of it, he has problems. In his pressers, he says he has to go back to what he did in '07. Problem is, that ain't always going to work
. The top QBs year in and year out deal with many different situations, they adapt so as to perform in those situations, I really don't think DA can do that. He has to realize that he can't play every opponent the same way. He must be able to control his game in different situations. You can't always be the gunslinger, you have to be able to fist fight also.
Using his words in the interviews, I have concluded that he feels he can only enjoy playing when it is going his way. One trick ponies don't last long in the NFL.
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Of course it concerns me.I am not saying that Quinn is the the right choice, but I am almost positive that Anderson is not. I would like to see what he can do before we start over next year.
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t's only because of unfair misconceptions and exaggerations in the heat of debate, that these two players have become caricatures of themselves in the eyes of the fans.
That in itself is the most profound statement anyone has made about this debate, I tip my hat to you 
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thanks. it's why i bolded it
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t's only because of unfair misconceptions and exaggerations in the heat of debate, that these two players have become caricatures of themselves in the eyes of the fans.
That in itself is the most profound statement anyone has made about this debate, I tip my hat to you
And here I thought the most profound part of this thread was DA's likeability as a possible drinking buddy... Forget the fact he is dead eye dick with a cannon...
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I couldve clarified that...
DA brings a dimension that we havent seen from Quinn...but judging the mentality seen from both...Quinn will take the easy throw where Derek will take the higher risk, but higher reward throw...yea sometimes he gets burned, but sometimes he strikes big. And thats why I dont mind because with him there he'll get more opportunities because he'll get more possessions...and if the defense can get off the field, he'll get even MORE chances which will lead to scores. He wont stay down a whole game.
as for profoundness for thinkin DA would be a better drinking buddy...I was unaware that would be a statement to say thats why i want him starting...far from it. There was no need for it to be profound...or really a statement anyone could fall back on.
It was just a way to put it that i think hes more affable...the same reason that so many fans enjoy peyton manning...cuz hes a funny guy. that doesnt mean if his talent was marginal many people would want him to start...its just a reason for you to want him to succeed.
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...Yes it concerns me derek can make some bad decisions, but it also concerns me that BQ hasnt yet stood out to look better than Derek.
Your pro bowl QB hasn't done anything to oust Quinn either..if he was all that he'd be putting seperation on Quinn right now..fact is he's a known commodity..and what I know I don't like...easy to fall in luv with his arm..but he can't control it..he never has..he can't read rotating shifting complex coverages..he never has..he's only effective against press and man coverages..
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Well, we all know you waffled on this subject a great deal last season. However, at least you are now admitting that your bias is based on a mancrush. It's comforting to know that it's not his play on the field. That certainly would make no sense.
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He's a slinger and can fire it deep and deep often
I agree on the slinger part...he is Great from 20-to-20, but he Stinks in the Red Zone, short-to-intermediate passes, and at the end of the halves/two-minute.  We can't score with him once we get close!  JMHO Go Brownies!!!!
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...Yes it concerns me derek can make some bad decisions, but it also concerns me that BQ hasnt yet stood out to look better than Derek.
Your pro bowl QB hasn't done anything to oust Quinn either..if he was all that he'd be putting seperation on Quinn right now..fact is he's a known commodity..and what I know I don't like...easy to fall in luv with his arm..but he can't control it..he never has..he can't read rotating shifting complex coverages..he never has..he's only effective against press and man coverages..
That's what I have found amusing in the QB debate on here.
People keep repeating that "Quinn hasn't separated himself from DA." Yet, DA has 20+ games experience and a probowl, and an extra year in the NFL, and he sure hasn't done anything to separate himself yet either.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I have noticed that both of our end of half 2-minute drills have looked a lot better than any 2-minute drill last year, I'm hoping that is an indication of more disciplined and decisive coaching..
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