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Any comment? You don't want washington to have the final decision on lawsuits, but you do feel comfortable letting them run health care?
Yeah, I have a comment...
NONSENSE.. Nothing in the various articles I've read actually leads anyone to anything concrete in any bill being bantered about that says that anyone in washington will have any control over my healthcare..
it's actually getting stupid.. and it comes down to interpretation. nothing to do with fact.. Nothing..
I'm not talking "specifics" here dude. so relax. You say nonsense....okay. Who's writing this "health reform bill"? Washington - the same place that you don't want telling you what you can sue for and how much you can get.
If you're happy with people in Washington having control of your health care, fine. I'm not.
Obama himself has said "...fedex, Ups, they're doing fine, it's the post office that's always having trouble.",,,, and, something to the effect of "medicare is proof the gov't. works", while later, in the same speech he says "medicare is unsustainable".
I'm sure not hoping for gov't. to get control of MY health care. You are?
Here's the deal: when gov't says something will cost $1 trillion, you can bet your bottom dollar it will cost at least twice that.
When these people - senators, representatives, and yes, O himself say "that's not in the bill", keep in mind they haven't read it. They don't know what is or isn't included - all they know is more money will go to them - gov't., that is.
O constantly talks about "that's not in MY helath bill". Where IS his health reform bill? The only one I've been able to find is the one I have linked to here, often. There are bad things there, my friend. Where's O's bill? Oh, he doesn't have one. No need for him to have one, as he doesn't even know what's in THIS one.
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Will Mr. Obama use his own plan? Didn't think so. 
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Will Mr. Obama use his own plan? Didn't think so.
No, he won't. He's already stated that he has the best care there is......"a doctor basically follows me around".
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Right. But if his plan is so great, shouldn't he be the first to sign up? Of course not...it's do as I say with this man. Leaders really need to learn to lead by example.
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Let me put it this way: Obama is on vacation right now - renting a place that costs $35,000 per week. He is paying for it himself.
Now, as a citizen of this country, shouldn't I be entitled to the same perks as him? It's only fair after all, isn't it?
Or should shut my mouth and realize that "hey, he's paying for it. If he can afford it, so be it. No skin off my back"
Relate that to health care - the "rich" can afford more. That's life. The "poor" get health care as well, and they don't pay a damn cent for it........or, for most of us, we get health care and we pay for it - premiums, lower wages to cover premiums,,,,,,etc......And that's the way it is.
If o gets his way on health care, why would private companies offer their own? Oh, they won't. That's what people don't see. When everyone is on the public system, and no one is allowed to add a private policy, well, then we'll all be equal, right? And the next thing will be housing. Then vacation....
There is not a thing in the constituion about health care - so why do some see it as a right? Amend the constituion if you want health care to be a right. Until then, congress, go read the damn constitution and figure out what the hell you are supposed to be doing.
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I agree Arch, I think healthcare should remain private
lifting restrictions on competition and allowing competition over state lines would do wonders for healthcare prices.
along with lifting government restrictions on insurance.
As for what is frivolous and what isn't?....thats subjective
If the family or wife of a dead soldier gets 10,000..that should be the max for mal practice..if a soldiers life is worth 10,000 then so is everyone else
lost limb or organ..5,000 dollars and be done with it.....
A soldier sacrifices his life so "you" have the right to sue...if he is worth 10,000....then so is everyone else...anything more than that is a slap in the face to everyone who has fought and defended this great country.
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Tort reform is vital to controlling medical costs. It seems to me that the single largest driver of medical costs is malpractice insurance premiums. (probably even higher than treating uninsured, etc.) Until gigantic jury awards are brought under control, this will not change.
Parties involved in an kind of medical malpractice type issue should first have to go through a form of arbitration before heading off to court.
State lines should be abolished, and all insurance companies should be allowed to compete everywhere. Competition is the biggest enemy high prices have.
Medicaid should be abolished, and those currently on such programs should be moved to private insurance companies, and should have to live with the same restrictions as the rest of us. Have the sniffles and want to head off to the emergency room? Fine ..... but bring your $100 co-pay. Otherwise, go see your family doctor like most of the rest of us do.
Insurance premium should be tax deductable for everyone @ 100% of contribution. (either your own policy or en employer sponsored plan)
Health saving accounts should be expanded. Why should I not have the option of carrying a $5000 deductable, and to also put that $5000 into a tax free savings account? This would be especially attractive to younger people who "don't need insurance". I could probably cut my insurance premiums in half ..... and with my employer match portion going into a health savings account instead of to the insurance company, I could prety easily get to that $5000 level in the account rather quickly.
The prescription drug benefit is almost useless at this point ..... so it should be in a policy only if desired by the policy holder. No one should be forced to pay for a prescription plan they don't want. I have had exactly 1 prescription in the past year or so that actually cost me my $25 co pay. WalMart has many generics for less than $10 ... as well as most pharmacies ... so why are we paying out millions for coverage that goes unused?
Have a standarized insurance claim form to cut down on administrative costs. 1 form for everyone instead of multiple forms to different insurance companies would greatly reduce administrative costs.
In the end, more choices and more competition is a better answer than 1 or limited choice(s). These are just a few things that have rattled ariound in my brain lately.
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If you're happy with people in Washington having control of your health care, fine. I'm not.
Arch, Of course I'm not happy with washington controlling my healthcare.. why would I be.. but what makes you think they will,, that's my point..
I mean, we don't even know what bill will pass or what form it will take... yet, there is this big push to scare people..
I think I'll wait to see
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Thursday, August 13, 2009 New Study Finds Medical Malpractice Insurance Premiums have Minimal Effect on Health Care Costs By Amos Budde, NCL Public Policy Intern Americans for Insurance Reform, a coalition made up of Consumer Federation of America, ConsumerWatchdog.org and nearly 100 other public interest organizations, released a major study Wednesday on the state of the medical malpractice insurance industry. It found that insurance rates for doctors have dropped significantly while the medical malpractice insurers are earning record profits. The conclusion is that the cost of medical malpractice insurance is not crippling doctors and that large profits are going to the insurance industry. Specifically, the study found, adjusting for inflation, that: •Medical malpractice premiums are nearly the lowest they have been in 30 years. •Medical malpractice claims are down 45 percent since 2000. •Medical malpractice insurer profits are higher than the rest of the property casualty industry, which has been very profitable over the last five years. •In states that have substantially limited consumers’ ability to go to court for medical malpractice, the insurance premiums for doctors are basically the same as in other states. As the health care debate heats up, there will be an increased effort to reduce the costs of health insurance. This study suggests that medical malpractice is not a significant cause of skyrocketing health costs. In fact, medical malpractice claims constitute one-fifth of one percent of annual health care costs in the country, according to the report. Cutting costs through medical malpractice reform is not likely to result in significant savings in health care reform legislation. When people get hurt by medical errors, doctors and hospitals should be held liable. According to one study by the Institute of Medicine, 400,000 preventable injuries occur each year related to bad prescriptions alone. There are severe examples of people losing a limb or suffering permanent brain damage due to a doctor error. The Americans for Insurance Reform (AIR) is a national coalition supporting reforms to lower insurance rates, increase coverage, and make the insurance industry more consumer-friendly. http://savvyconsumer.wordpress.com/2009/...lth-care-costs/
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Reckon, I don't know how much cred this guy or that organization has,, but it's an interesting take.. if accurate and true, sure shoots holes in the entire tort reform issue...
Again, not sure of the cred... But interesting none the less... Thanks
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Leaders really need to learn to lead by example.
If they did that we'd be better off, cause they would all be hanging out in Iraq and Afghanistan. 
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Very wise. I most certainly don't take these things as gospel but think it has value to hear more than one side to an argument and be balanced in judgement. The AMA certainly spends the dough to get its view out there. From Open Secrets concerning what it spends lobbying: Per year contributions Leading spenders
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I most certainly don't take these things as gospel but think it has value to hear more than one side to an argument and be balanced in judgement.
No question about it.. it's disappointing when we see an article writen by a left or right leaning orgainzation or reporter and some folks just automatically think it's gospel..
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jc... to me this could be solved easily:
1. If case is found to be worthy, the person is only compensated for loss of wages... no pain and suffering awarded. If a limb/kidney/whatever is gone and they can't continue their job they should be payed in a lump sum the amount they would make until they are 65. If they die... the same except it goes to the persons family. If they are making no wage (old on SS, lazy, whatever) they get 10k for burial and whatnot.
2. Doctors (insurance co.) should be held accountable by paying these costs if they have been deemed to be at fault... and they should have a three strikes you're out rule. If you've been deemed guilty of neglegence three times then you lose your license for 2 years. After that 2 years is up, if you're found at fault again, you're done.
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jc... to me this could be solved easily:
1. If case is found to be worthy, the person is only compensated for loss of wages... no pain and suffering awarded. If a limb/kidney/whatever is gone and they can't continue their job they should be payed in a lump sum the amount they would make until they are 65. If they die... the same except it goes to the persons family. If they are making no wage (old on SS, lazy, whatever) they get 10k for burial and whatnot.
2. Doctors (insurance co.) should be held accountable by paying these costs if they have been deemed to be at fault... and they should have a three strikes you're out rule. If you've been deemed guilty of neglegence three times then you lose your license for 2 years. After that 2 years is up, if you're found at fault again, you're done.
I like this idea.
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1. If case is found to be worthy, the person is only compensated for loss of wages... no pain and suffering awarded. If a limb/kidney/whatever is gone and they can't continue their job they should be payed in a lump sum the amount they would make until they are 65. If they die... the same except it goes to the persons family. If they are making no wage (old on SS, lazy, whatever) they get 10k for burial and whatnot.
Some of that I like, some of it sucks.. if it's your kidney or leg they took by mistake,, I guarantee, you wouldn't accept that settlement.. What if they take the wrong kidney and your 64 years old,, let's say you make 50K.. so basically, for 50k, the doc skates and so does his malpractice insurance company..
what about follow up care., what about complications brought on later in life that can be traced back to this incident?
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I like that system, but wow,, 3 errors large enough to cause your license to be pulled,, that's three lives you may have ruined.. But basically, I like the idea...
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If the family or wife of a dead soldier gets 10,000..that should be the max for mal practice..if a soldiers life is worth 10,000 then so is everyone else
lost limb or organ..5,000 dollars and be done with it.....
A soldier sacrifices his life so "you" have the right to sue...if he is worth 10,000....then so is everyone else...anything more than that is a slap in the face to everyone who has fought and defended this great country.
So if we base mal practice payment on a soldiers life, because anything more than that is a slap in the face to everyone who has fought and defended this great country.
My ? is this, How big of a slap in the face is a CEO pay to a soldier.
A soldier sacrifices his life so "you" have the right to work in a free country...if he is worth monthly pay of E1 $1,399.50(less than 2 years of service) to 0-10 $18,061.20(38 years of service) , ....then so is everyone else...
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Healthcare Hospitals $ 6,006,776 (avg ceo total compensation)
Insurance $ 4,985,038
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There is no way a loss of life can be payed for.
But to say. A soldier sacrifices his life so "you" have the right to sue...if he is worth 10,000....then so is everyone else...anything more than that is a slap in the face to everyone who has fought and defended this great country.
Is a slap in the face to every soldier who has fought and defended this great country.
They do not do it so we receive the same benifits or pay as they due, but to uphold the Constitution and the bill of rights.
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1. If case is found to be worthy, the person is only compensated for loss of wages... no pain and suffering awarded. If a limb/kidney/whatever is gone and they can't continue their job they should be payed in a lump sum the amount they would make until they are 65. If they die... the same except it goes to the persons family. If they are making no wage (old on SS, lazy, whatever) they get 10k for burial and whatnot.
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Some of that I like, some of it sucks.. if it's your kidney or leg they took by mistake,, I guarantee, you wouldn't accept that settlement.. What if they take the wrong kidney and your 64 years old,, let's say you make 50K.. so basically, for 50k, the doc skates and so does his malpractice insurance company..
what about follow up care., what about complications brought on later in life that can be traced back to this incident?
You are forgetting so much...
I've not forgotten anything...
You know what else sucks... is when God or whoever decides it just your time and you get cancer and die, or blow out both your patella tendons going up for an interception (Baxter  ), or get shot in the kidney while minding your own business at a convenience store robbery, or develop type 1 diabetes... life without medical influence has the same type of margin for error. Sometimes you just gotta role with the punches and deal the hand you're dealt. Life is not guaranteed... and if you made it to 64 and are still lucky enough to be living with or without one kidney, you should be happy for the rest of you're days.
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2. Doctors (insurance co.) should be held accountable by paying these costs if they have been deemed to be at fault... and they should have a three strikes you're out rule. If you've been deemed guilty of neglegence three times then you lose your license for 2 years. After that 2 years is up, if you're found at fault again, you're done.
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I like that system, but wow,, 3 errors large enough to cause your license to be pulled,, that's three lives you may have ruined.. But basically, I like the idea...
Three lives ruined out of how many lives saved... you have to allow for accidents to occur. Can't just ban every doctor because something he did in a split second was done in error. I think 3-4 of these types of errors during a doctors career would be a good standard. But, that is just my opinion. My point is that these errors should be on the doctors record and they should be held accountable if the are deemed incompetent by some threshold.
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1. If case is found to be worthy, the person is only compensated for loss of wages... no pain and suffering awarded. If a limb/kidney/whatever is gone and they can't continue their job they should be payed in a lump sum the amount they would make until they are 65. If they die... the same except it goes to the persons family. If they are making no wage (old on SS, lazy, whatever) they get 10k for burial and whatnot.
Some of that I like, some of it sucks.. if it's your kidney or leg they took by mistake,, I guarantee, you wouldn't accept that settlement.. What if they take the wrong kidney and your 64 years old,, let's say you make 50K.. so basically, for 50k, the doc skates and so does his malpractice insurance company..
What your referring to is called Gross Negligence, not medical fault.
If your supposed to have your appendix removed and they amputate your leg, then not only are due a decent settlement, but the doctors should be de-licensed (is that a word) immediately.
But those cases are far and few in between, we are talking the more typical case of patient A has a tumor, doctors operate, and patient dies anyway, or there is complications in the surgery that cause major issues.
Doctors aren't miracle workers. And often people don't or can't describe their symptoms properly, or what they describe could be 12 things, ranging from a cold to some rare never before seen disease. Medical diagnosis is nothing more than an educated guess.
Like a dead battery in the car. Replace the battery, if it dies again, replace the alternator, if it dies again, start looking for shorts in the wiring.
There's not always one diagnosis that fixes everything, and sometimes, one issue is masking another more serious issue that is never seen.
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No question about it.. it's disappointing when we see an article writen by a left or right leaning orgainzation or reporter and some other folks just automatically think it's wrong..
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I've not forgotten anything...
Really, so you took into consideration follow up care., what about complications brought on later in life that can be traced back to this incident?
You may be on the right track, but you did indeed miss some things.. I just named one.. you want more?
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You know what else sucks... is when God or whoever decides it just your time and you get cancer and die,
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Three lives ruined out of how many lives saved... you have to allow for accidents to occur.
There is a balance.., no question. If you are referring to accidents like mistakes.., no, you don't have to allow for them..
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I thought I answered that with my "sometimes you just have to roll with the punches" speech...
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If you are referring to accidents like mistakes.., no, you don't have to allow for them..
I guess you don't have to allow them... but mistakes happen whether you like them or not.
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Problem is that not all mistakes are created equal... If you look at the evidence and make a medical decision that turns out to be wrong, even though you used sound medical thinking when making the decision... then that is one thing. Taking out the wrong kidney is something different entirely. And it seems to me that a doctor/insurance company could spend large sums of money, and face major payouts, for both...
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I thought I answered that with my "sometimes you just have to roll with the punches" speech...
Yeah,, that's what we need to do,, have surgery, doc makes a boo boo, you receive income for x years, and in the middle of it, you find that the boo boo the doc made years prior, is now causing other issues.. and your stuck with it because you probably signed an agreement saying you would seek no further damages..
And you want someone that happens to, to just "roll with the punches"
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Of course they do, but you still don't have to accept it lying down.
errors of commission or errors of omission. there is a difference..
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Good God....taking out the wrong kidney or cutting off the wrong limb is what makes the news, but as a percentage it is minute.....quit talking like it is a common occurrence.
It's why people on this board don't like talking with you anymore....somewhere along the way you became a know-it-all.
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link: http://www.citizen.org/congress/civjus/medmal/articles.cfm?ID=9125Quick Facts on Medical Malpractice Issues Costs of Medical Negligence to Patients • Between 44,000 to 98,000 Americans die in hospitals each year due to preventable medical errors. (Institute of Medicine, To Err Is Human: Building a Safer Health System, 2000.) • The annual costs to society for medical errors in hospitals at $17 billion to $29 billion. (Institute of Medicine, To Err Is Human: Building a Safer Health System, 2000.) • The total amount spent on medical malpractice insurance in 2000 was $6.4 billion – at least three to five times less than the Institute of Medicine’s estimate of the costs of malpractice to society. (National Association of Insurance Commissioners, Statistical Compilation of Annual Statement Information for Property/Casualty Insurance Companies in 2000, (2001).) Frequency of Medical Malpractice Claims • Only one in eight preventable medical errors committed in hospitals results in a malpractice claim. (Harvard Medical Practice Study Group, Patients, Doctors and Lawyers: Medical Injury, Malpractice Litigation, and Patient Compensation in New York, 1990.) • From 1996 through 1999, Florida hospitals reported 19,885 incidents but only 3,177 medical malpractice claims. In other words, for every 6 medical errors only 1 claim is filed. (The Agency for Health Care Administration; Division of Health Quality Assurance. Reported malpractice claims by district compared to reported adverse incidents 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999.) • The number of new medical malpractice claims declined by about four percent between 1995 and 2000. There were 90,212 claims filed in 1995 and 86,480 claims filed in 2000. (National Association of Insurance Commissioners, Statistical Compilation of Annual Statement Information for Property/Casualty Insurance Companies in 2000, 2001.) • Punitive Damages are awarded in less than 1 percent of medical malpractice cases. (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1996.) Physicians’ Costs of Medical Malpractice Insurance • Malpractice insurance costs amount to only 3.2 percent of the average physician's revenues. (Official Transcript, Medicare Payment Advisory Commission, Public Meeting, December 12, 2002.) • While medical costs have increased by 113 percent since 1987, the total amount spent on medical malpractice insurance has increased by just 52 percent over that time, less than half of medical services inflation. (Bureau of Labor Statistics – Medical Services CPI; Best’s Aggregates and Averages.) • The median medical malpractice payout by a physician to a patient rose 35 percent from 1997 to 2000, from $100,000 to $135,000. (National Practitioner Data Bank Annual Reports, 1997 through 2001.) But during the same time, the average premium for single health insurance coverage has increased by 39 percent. (Kaiser Family Foundation and Health Research and Educational Trust, Employer Health Benefits Surveys, 1998-2002; National Practitioner Data Bank Annual Reports, 1997 through 2001.) Medical Malpractice Award Trends • The size of damage awards has been steady since 1991. The mean payout was $135,941 in 2001, up 8.7 percent from $125,000 in 2000. Over ten years, malpractice payouts have grown an average of 6.2 percent per year. That’s almost exactly the rate of medical inflation: an average of 6.7 percent between 1990 and 2001. (National Practitioner Data Bank and the Journal of Health Affairs, as quoted by Lorraine Woellert, Commentary: A Second Opinion on the Malpractice Plague, Business Week, March 3, 2003.) • Malpractice payouts by physicians and their insurers were a mere $4.5 billion in 2001 – less than 1 percent of the country’s overall health care costs of $1.4 trillion. (National Practitioner Data Bank, as quoted in Business Week, March 3, 2003.) • In 2001, only 895 out of 16,676 payouts, or about 5 percent, topped $1 million. (National Practitioner Data Bank, as quoted in Business Week, March 3, 2003.) Insurance Industry Economics Have Caused the Premium Price Spike • "For several years, insurers kept prices artificially low while competing for market share and new revenue to invest in a booming stock market. As the bull market surged, investments by these historically conservative insurers rose to 10.6% in 1999, up from a more typical 3% in 1992. With the market now in a slump, the insurers can no longer use investment gains to subsidize low rates." (American Medical Association Report 35 of the Board of Trustees (A-02), available at: http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/upload/mm/annual02/bot35a02.rtf.)• Premiums charged do not track losses paid, but instead rise and fall in concert with the state of the economy. When the economy is booming and investment returns are high, companies maintain premiums at modest levels; however, when the economy falters and interest rates fall, companies increase premiums in response. (J. Robert Hunter, Americans for Insurance Reform, "Medical Malpractice Insurance: Stable Losses/Unstable Rates," October 10, 2002. See also: http://www.insurance-reform.org/StableLosses.pdf.)Small Number of Dangerous Doctors Commit Most Malpractice • Only 5 percent of doctors (1 out of 20) are responsible for 54 percent of malpractice payouts. (National Practitioner Data Bank, Sept. 1, 1990 – Sept. 30, 2002.) • Only 8 percent of doctors (1 out of 12) with 2 or more malpractice payouts have been disciplined by their state medical board. (National Practitioner Data Bank, Sept. 1, 1990 – Sept. 30, 2002.) • Only 17 percent of doctors (1 out of 6) who have made 5 or more malpractice payouts have been disciplined by their state medical board. (National Practitioner Data Bank, Sept. 1, 1990 – Sept. 30, 2002.)
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link: http://www.citizen.org/congress/civjus/medmal/index.cfmMedical Malpractice Tens of thousands of people die each year from preventable medical errors. But rather than reform the medical system to prevent needless deaths and injuries, the health care and insurance industries are lobbying to limit the rights of injured patients to seek full recovery in the courts. Rather than ignore the real crises - a lack of attention to patient safety and physician oversight - insurers and the medical lobby should invest their considerable resources in real health care and insurance reforms that will protect patients and reduce the incidence of medical error. "Administrative Compensation" Schemes The corporate and insurance lobbies have a new trick up their sleeve that they call "administrative compensation" or "health courts." Don't be fooled - there's nothing healthy about these schemes. The ultimate goal of these administrative programs is to shut the door to the courts completely, and to replace the courts with new tribunals overseen by medical societies and insurance companies. To learn more about the reality behind these scams, see our series of fact sheets: Patient Safety Should be Priority #1 http://www.citizen.org/documents/Introduction%20Fact%20Sheet.pdfMedical Errors: The Real Crisis http://www.citizen.org/documents/Medical%20Error%20Fact%20Sheet.pdfMedical Malpractice Rates in Decline http://www.citizen.org/documents/Rates%20In%20Decline%20Fact%20Sheet.pdfA Move in the Wrong Direction http://www.citizen.org/documents/A%20move%20in%20the%20wrong%20direction.pdfWith "Health Courts" 90 Percent of Victims Get Nothing http://www.citizen.org/documents/Harvard%20Pilot%20Study%20Fact%20Sheet.pdfThe Hidden Costs of Health Courts http://www.citizen.org/documents/Cost%20Shifting%20Fact%20Sheet.pdfNEW: read our presentation Second-tier: How Health Courts Threaten Civil Justice. http://www.citizen.org/documents/HealthCourts.pdfWhat We're Doing Public Citizen continues to fight for safety and oversight of health care providers to ensure that patients receive the highest quality care. To inform the debate, Public Citizen has published a collection of research that underscores the truth about the real crisis in this country - a lack of attention to patient safety and physician oversight that leaves tens of thousands of individuals injured or dead every year. For our most recent research on medical malpractice, check out the following reports. Claims of a Doctor Supply Crisis Not Supported by Facts http://www.citizen.org/documents/DrSupplyFactSheet_Final.pdfThe Great Medical Malpractice Hoax: NPDB Data Continue to Show Medical Liablity System Produces Rational Outcomes http://www.citizen.org/publications/release.cfm?ID=7497Bush Fear-Mongering on Ob-Gyn Access Belied by Facts http://www.citizen.org/documents/OBGYN_Access_2007.pdf-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Self-Inflicted "Crisis" Shortsighted policy decisions by New York’s government in the 1990s are responsible for the purported medical malpractice “crisis” in the state, according to a report released by Public Citizen, New York Public Interest Research Group and the Center for Medical Consumers. Gov. Eliot Spitzer and a task force studying malpractice are urged to focus on ways to improve patient safety and to resist pleas from the insurance industry and the state’s doctors to pare back patients’ legal rights. Learn more. http://www.citizen.org/publications/release.cfm?ID=7550 » congress | civjus | medmal Because Public Citizen does not accept funds from corporations, professional associations or government agencies, we can remain independent and follow the truth wherever it may lead. But that means we depend on the generosity of concerned citizens like you for the resources to fight on behalf of the public interest. If you would like to help us in our fight, click here. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lots of good info open links and read. make up your oun mind
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quit talking like it is a common occurrence.
It isn't a common occurance.. but at least one person on here seems to think that we should all roll with the punches.. I used one example,, I don't feel as if I need to look for a million more.. But they are out there..
As for people not wanting to talk to me anymore, the ones that never did still don't the ones that always did still do..
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I've never heard of this organization before, anyone know anything about them? are they credible?
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the health care and insurance industries are lobbying to limit the rights of injured patients to seek full recovery in the courts.
Rather than ignore the real crises - a lack of attention to patient safety and physician oversight - insurers and the medical lobby should invest their considerable resources in real health care and insurance reforms that will protect patients and reduce the incidence of medical error.
What's the problem with doing All of the Above? Articles like this (and others pimping the other side) are simply attempts to deflect attention. They are "I'm not the problem.. these guys are the problem" articles. The truth is that they are ALL part of the problem, and they ALL need to be addressed.
Why can't we increase regulation and oversight of insurance companies AND enact tort reform?
Why does it always have to be taken in an Either-Or context?
Tort Reform is PART of the solution, just as dealing with the insurance industry and then dealing with PhRMA is PART of the solution.
What is NOT a solution is making backroom deals with PhRMA and completely ignoring Tort Reform while acting against ONLY the insurance industry..... THAT is the point people are trying to make. I don't see anybody saying that we should be only doing one instead of the other.
It is a large, complex problem that requires addressing ALL PARTS of it.... without increasing the deficit and without increasing or adding ANY taxes (e.g. Regulate, and not grow the Gov't) and without making arbitrary demands of the people just to satisfy an industry lobby.
Browns is the Browns
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Articles like this (and others pimping the other side) are simply attempts to deflect attention
I"m as guilty of this thinking as anyone,, but the truth is, there really is only one side to this entire argument.. and it's the peoples side. Period. I have been saying that until we stand up and address the total issue, without regard to any particular interest group in mind, the problem will never be solved.
Ha, even then, there will still be some that aren't happy.. count on it.
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The truth is that they are ALL part of the problem, and they ALL need to be addressed.
Holy smokes, this might be the first time in a year you and I actually agree on something 
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Using a strictly observational method of determining how many malpractice lawsuits are lawyer driven rather than patient driven, I submit the following ......
Every day, and every night, the Youngstown TV market has numerous commercials for malpractice lawyers. Day and night ..... day after day ...... "Did you take this drug and die? Call us" ....... "Did this procedure turn your hair green? You may be entitled to money" ..... "Did your termnally ill mother have chemo and die anyway? Let us sue the crap out of the bastiches" ......
It is probably 3 or 4 firms doing the bulk of the advertising ... and one in particular jumps to mind ..... but the perception is that there wouldn;t be commercials if there wasn't a market ..... legitimate or not.
Former Senator John Edwards was an attorney handling cases like these. He was accused by many of using junk science and preying on the sympathies of juries to win cases, rrather that using actual facts.
The trila lawyer driven side argues that many cases go unpursued. There is probably some degree of truth to that. The other side feels that far too many frivolous lawsuits are filed, and cases are settled to avoid nuisance trials. There is probably also truth to that side.
As with any matter that is polarized and politicized, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle ... but I would bet that it's closer to the "tort reformers" side.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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I still like you Daman
As I do you Barf.... In fact, there really is only one person I don't care for on this entire board... he shall remain nameless but let's just say, he hasn't posted in a while... 
Hell, I even like Peen.. and jules too.. even though she beats the hell out of me all the time.. (I"m pretty sure that in both cases, the feeling isn't mutual,,, but thems the breaks I guess)
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In fact, there really is only one person I don't care for on this entire board... he shall remain nameless but let's just say, he hasn't posted in a while...
Whew... I posted this morning. 
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is that slang for taking a dump now? i can't keep up with all these texting slang words these days 
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Nice stats, but don't you think things have changed in the last 8-10 years from when most of your posted stat information was printed?
I could post that cars are very safe because in the 1700's there were no automobile deaths.
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I thought I answered that with my "sometimes you just have to roll with the punches" speech...
Yeah,, that's what we need to do,, have surgery, doc makes a boo boo, you receive income for x years, and in the middle of it, you find that the boo boo the doc made years prior, is now causing other issues.. and your stuck with it because you probably signed an agreement saying you would seek no further damages..
And you want someone that happens to, to just "roll with the punches"
I just don't think so..
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but mistakes happen whether you like them or not.
Of course they do, but you still don't have to accept it lying down.
errors of commission or errors of omission. there is a difference..
I could be wrong, but I think the courts wouldn't rule in someone's favor for complications that took place years down the road. There is such thing as statute of limitations.
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