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I could be wrong, but I think the courts wouldn't rule in someone's favor for complications that took place years down the road. There is such thing as statute of limitations.
That's exactly my point. That's why you have to look beyond the simple and immediate remedy... I don't think you get a second bite of the apple, even if it's a valid claim...
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Whew... I posted this morning.
You did? Guess I missed that then... 
Just kidding DC.,., it's not you.. but I bet you could guess 
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Whew... I posted this morning.
You did? Guess I missed that then...
Just kidding DC.,., it's not you.. but I bet you could guess
Moi? 
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Moi?
Oh Hell no arch,, I love bantering back and forth with you... 
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I could be wrong, but I think the courts wouldn't rule in someone's favor for complications that took place years down the road. There is such thing as statute of limitations.
That's exactly my point. That's why you have to look beyond the simple and immediate remedy... I don't think you get a second bite of the apple, even if it's a valid claim...
So people should be paid for complications that might occur?
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I could be wrong, but I think the courts wouldn't rule in someone's favor for complications that took place years down the road. There is such thing as statute of limitations.
That's exactly my point. That's why you have to look beyond the simple and immediate remedy... I don't think you get a second bite of the apple, even if it's a valid claim...
So people should be paid for complications that might occur?
Thats what I was thinking.
If they get paid for something that might occur, than shouldn't they give back that money if that "thing" doesn't occur? Not gonna happen.
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LOL.. if you are injured by a doctor and awarded money because you can no longer continue your career as a plumber because you are confined to a wheelchair, then go on to become a millionaire through some computer venture, you should have to pay it back...
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So people should be paid for complications that might occur?
Geez,, Nice try.. when the deal is done, the deal is done. But while constructing that deal, all things need to be taken into consideration. Future effects included..
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So people should be paid for complications that might occur?
Geez,, Nice try.. when the deal is done, the deal is done. But while constructing that deal, all things need to be taken into consideration. Future effects included..
Nice try? You just repeated what I asked? Your saying people should be entitle to money for things that MIGHT happen?
What are the future effects and how do they know they are going to come forth to be worth being compensated for?
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I sense a certain, kinda dense fog overtaking us.. wonder what could possibly be causing that?
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So people should be paid for complications that might occur?
Geez,, Nice try.. when the deal is done, the deal is done. But while constructing that deal, all things need to be taken into consideration. Future effects included..
Here is the problem with that...how can anyone pin point cause and effect over a 20 or 30 year period? Someone could suffer from a head injury and had a "boo boo" happen while in surgery. The guy gets a million dollars, picks up smoking, clogs his veins and arteries, has an anerism, and what caused the anerism? The "boo boo" or the smoking?
Bottom line, and I can say this because I've been there. I had a head injury when I was 13. Settled out of court for $100,000 because many lawyers didn't think I could win. I won't get into the details because that is beside the point. But anyway, the insurance company for the dirt race track with improper fencing paid me $100,000.
Needless to say I didn't use that money wisely and it is no longer in my possession. Had I used that money wisely, it could be rich by now. While it still upsets me to this day that I got a measly $100,000 compared to some woman that was awarded millions for spilling hot coffee on herself, I also realize that I could have used that money wisely and could have turned it into millions of dollars.
Noone needs a million dollars. A couple hundred thousand is plenty and more than enough for someone to make a prosperous life for themselves. It is all up to the person to be wise with that money.
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Yup,, for sure, there is a fog
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I want to apologize right up front, okay? But, it sounds to me like you were riding a dirtbike on a track, wrecked, got a head injury. Due to improper fencing?
My guess is the insurance company was pleased to settle for $100,000.
When racing dirt bikes, or just riding, isn't the rider responsible for the results?
I know, I know....there are some farmers around here that won't give me permission to ride 4 wheeler in their fields because of the liability. What liability, I asked? If you hit a woodchuck hole and get hurt, you can sue me. I find that crazy. In fact, that's a perfect example of what's wrong with our law.
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When racing dirt bikes, or just riding, isn't the rider responsible for the results?
When riding on trails or in pastures I would probably agree with you, but on a dirt track, designed for racing, I would assume that the track owner has some responsibility for safety and protection.
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When racing dirt bikes, or just riding, isn't the rider responsible for the results?
When riding on trails or in pastures I would probably agree with you, but on a dirt track, designed for racing, I would assume that the track owner has some responsibility for safety and protection.
Not really, the owners usually require some type of signed release of liability before racing (at least they do in autoracing)
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I've never heard of this organization before, anyone know anything about them? are they credible?
I feel that they are. But its up to each person to look at the links below and make up there own mind.
Do I agree with them all the time no. but they have what I feel is good info.
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- Ralph Nader founds Public Citizen as an organization dedicated to protecting health, safety and democracy.
- Ralph Nader and Dr. Sidney Wolfe establish Public Citizen’s Health Research Group division to investigate public health threats and press for reforms.
Because Public Citizen does not accept funds from corporations, professional associations or government agencies, we can remain independent and follow the truth wherever it may lead. But that means we depend on the generosity of concerned citizens like you for the resources to fight on behalf of the public interest. If you would like to help us in our fight,
Accomplishments
http://www.citizen.org/accomplishments/index.cfm
Boards of Directors
http://www.citizen.org/about/articles.cfm?ID=18473
Experts
http://www.citizen.org/articles.cfm?ID=16838
Public Citizen's 990s / Annual Report
http://www.citizen.org/about/articles.cfm?ID=5165
Annual Reports for Public Citizen Inc & Public Citizen Foundation, INC
2008 (if you goto pg30 there show were there money comes from and who gave it to them)
http://www.citizen.org/documents/annrpt2008.pdf
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the health care and insurance industries are lobbying to limit the rights of injured patients to seek full recovery in the courts.
Rather than ignore the real crises - a lack of attention to patient safety and physician oversight - insurers and the medical lobby should invest their considerable resources in real health care and insurance reforms that will protect patients and reduce the incidence of medical error.
What's the problem with doing All of the Above? Articles like this (and others pimping the other side) are simply attempts to deflect attention. They are "I'm not the problem.. these guys are the problem" articles. The truth is that they are ALL part of the problem, and they ALL need to be addressed.
Why can't we increase regulation and oversight of insurance companies AND enact tort reform?
Why does it always have to be taken in an Either-Or context?
Tort Reform is PART of the solution, just as dealing with the insurance industry and then dealing with PhRMA is PART of the solution.
What is NOT a solution is making backroom deals with PhRMA and completely ignoring Tort Reform while acting against ONLY the insurance industry..... THAT is the point people are trying to make. I don't see anybody saying that we should be only doing one instead of the other.
It is a large, complex problem that requires addressing ALL PARTS of it.... without increasing the deficit and without increasing or adding ANY taxes (e.g. Regulate, and not grow the Gov't) and without making arbitrary demands of the people just to satisfy an industry lobby.
I dont thik we should completely ignor Tort Reform .
It has to be part of a solution to the problem.
I posted these refute the atricals posted saying that Tort Reform is needed becaues its the major reasone for cost increases.
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Sorry, but the fact that public citizen does not take any corporate donations, does not make them an unbiased authority.
Ralph Nader would be a clue.
Joan Claybrook was is a big topper as well. I know of her auto philosphy.. yuck.
They are left of left.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!
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Sorry, but the fact that public citizen does not take any corporate donations, does not make them an unbiased authority.
Ralph Nader would be a clue.
Joan Claybrook was is a big topper as well. I know of her auto philosphy.. yuck.
They are left of left.
1) I never said they were an unbiased authority.
2) show me any 1 group that lobbys or puts forth its opinion that is unbiased on the view they support.
3) I said that I dont agree with them all the time,
but that I feel they have good info.
IE: they support there view with studys not just there opinion.
4) the studys they use to support there view are not studys they have done but by university’s AMA , govt, ect and you can look up those studies.
5) they clearly show whos on there board and where there monies come from . so you have an idea where there view point is from.
6) you state your opinion They are left of left. and thats fine.
That is your opinion, but that dosnt mean the studys they use to support there view are invalid.
7) I feel that Public Citizen has done some good and some bad for the people of the USA in there lobbing and court actions.
see what they post as Accomplishments
http://www.citizen.org/accomplishments/index.cfm
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