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looks like a new demand might open up. Quote:
The injury suffered by Broncos QB Kyle Orton on Sunday night turned out to be more serious than it appeared at first glance.
Orton left Denver's third preseason game vs. the Bears and did not return after walking off the field with a bloody right index finger. The Denver Post is reporting Orton suffered an open dislocation of the right knuckle when Bears DE Adewale Ogunleye hit his finger.
The finger was popped back into place by the Broncos' training staff, but Orton will be held out of the team's final preseason game and his status for Week One is in question. With backup Chris Simms shelved with a high ankle sprain, rookie Tom Brandstater will see a lot of snaps in the fourth exhibition game and there's a chance he could be under center for the first regular-season game if Orton isn't ready to play.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/09/01/report-orton-has-open-dislocation
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Why would you start a new thread about this??????
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Why would you start a new thread about this??????
The other thread is locked....
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When the whole Cutler saga was brewing out there, it was rumored Quinn was the one the Donks wanted ...
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Yeah, I know the other thread is locked. That is a good thing. I just don't want anymore QB talk.
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I think Denver would be the easiest sale. The fans dont like Orton to start with and he isnt going to improve with a messed up finger. Frankly DA could be the right guy for Denver. Brandon Marshall will love the guy and Josh McDaniels likes the deep ball mixed with run game.
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Yeah, I know the other thread is locked. That is a good thing. I just don't want anymore QB talk.
Then don't open the thread.
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Nobody is gonna trade a bag of chips for DA, Quinn may have some value, like a 3rd. DA had no value leading up to the draft, he's done nothing to this point to raise his value.
The Donks have Simms, who actually has been out playing Orton. The 49ers and maybe St. Louis are the only teams I think at this point that have a QB worse than Anderson. Seattle runs a WCO, DA is a horrific fit in that type of system, same goes for the Pats as a backup, horrible fit to run a screen passing offense.
Teams aren't gonna trade for DA just for the heck of it, he has to be an upgrade. Alot of teams have younger players, or vet backups that know their system better anyway. Its a real long shot that DA is moved.
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Simms is out awhile with a high ankle sprain.
I still don't think Anderson will be traded there though.
He stays for the season.
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umm simms is hurt again and will be out for awhile
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I thought McDaniels liked the short spread passing game. That's at least what NE ran the past 2 years (though Brady certainly took a few shots downfield) and seems to be the reason he went after Cassell. Also, Orton fits that mold better.
If he wanted DA, he should have kept the better version of him....Cutler.
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Looks like Brandstarer could be thee starter on opening day
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Mcdaniels likes to send someone deep every play similar to what we are doing this year. Thats why they get so many of those crossing route yards. the deep post clears out for the drag route.
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Yeah, I am assuming Orton can play with a hurt finger.
If not you can chalk up a loss every time Tom Brandstater starts a game. He was supposed to get Fresno State to a BCS bowl last year, but took a giant turd on the field.
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If we trade Anderson we have to get immediate help in return. How are the Bronco's at RT? CB? RB?
Somewhere out there is a team that is considering cuting a guy that could start for us and help us win this year. I hope EM is out there finding them.
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I think Mangini and Kokinis have exceptional so far at keeping their roster evaluation going. If a player doesn't fit they are cut and someone new is brought. If that player doesn't fit, they are cut. Just because the off-season is over doesn't mean you stop tweaking the roster. If someone is no good, there is no point in keeping them around. If there is a player that is cut from another team, and he is better then our 53rd guy and fits our system, he will be brought in. This is a very good thing. Quote:
If we trade Anderson we have to get immediate help in return. How are the Bronco's at RT? CB? RB?
I'm sure the Broncos wouldn't mind trading us Clady, Bailey, and Moreno for Anderson.
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i'd want ryan harris but he's not really a mauler.
if you guys didn't know, he was on the mtv show, true life. it followed him as a high school senior after he committed to ND. even as a senior, he trained like crazy. did ok at ND, was drafted in the 3rd round i think, then went in and started for the broncos at RT.
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not worth a new thread but john clayton thinks ratliff is the "next cassel" Quote:
A year ago at this time, Matt Cassel looked like a quarterback who might be without a job instead of one who was eventually named the Patriots' franchise player.
In the preseason, Cassel was 19-for-34 with no touchdowns and one interception. He struggled so much that there were rumblings that the Patriots might have to find a new backup to Tom Brady. One quarter into the season, however, Brady went down with a knee injury, and Cassel established himself as an NFL starter by winning 11 games.
So who could be the next Matt Cassel, who took over the Patriots after being an unknown career backup and never started a game in college or during his first four years in the NFL?
The best guess is Brett Ratliff of the Cleveland Browns, nudging out Matt Moore of the Panthers and possibly Colt Brennan of the Redskins.
Ratliff fits Cassel's profile. At 6-foot-4, 235 pounds, he has decent size and a strong arm. Last summer, as the No. 3 quarterback for the Jets, he created some excitement in preseason games, going 32-for-47 with four touchdown passes.
Because he's playing behind Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson, Ratliff probably will have to wait until next season to be the Browns' No. 2 quarterback. It's pretty clear, though, that new Browns coach Eric Mangini has plans for him. Mangini included Ratliff when he brought as many Jets to Cleveland as he could.
Like Aaron Rodgers of the Packers, Ratliff had to grow up as an on-the-field leader at a very young age. He followed Rodgers to Butte College, a junior college loaded with older offensive starters. Like many junior colleges, Butte had offensive linemen in their late 20s.
As Rodgers and Ratliff will tell you, it's not easy being an 18-year-old quarterback fresh out of high school trying to lead players who are significantly older. Ratliff succeeded. He started for two seasons at Butte and had one year in which he threw 35 touchdowns and passed for 3,651 yards.
That earned him a scholarship at Utah, where he spent one year as a backup and another as the starter on an 8-5 team.
Mangini and the Jets signed him as an undrafted free agent in 2007 and started developing him on the practice squad.
The state of backup quarterbacks in the NFL is bad. Eight teams have backups who have never won an NFL game. With Byron Leftwich now the starter in Tampa Bay, only four teams have a backup with a winning career record.
Finding the next Cassel is a guessing game. In Carolina, the Panthers believe they are developing another Tony Romo in Moore. Brennan has shown a flair for moving the football in his time on the field during the preseason.
The Patriots really didn't know what they had in Cassel until Brady went down and they had no choice but to play him. We'll see whether Ratliff will get a similar opportunity in the next couple of years.
John Clayton, a recipient of the Pro Football Hall of Fame's McCann Award for distinguished reporting, is a senior writer for ESPN.com.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4429212
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Pffft, yea, ok sure, what the hell. I'm perfectly willing to be wrong but this assumes both BQ & DA go down... which would mean the OL is in horrendous shape which means Ratlif is, well, I wouldn't be seen as overly optimistic. And did Clay Clay bother to watch our preseason? I realize he couches this in Cassels preseason doldrums a year ago but he might as well be throwing darts blind folded. Silliness.
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The guy I think people need to keep an eye on is Nate Davis out of Ball State who is playing for the 49'ers. The kid has small learning disability...I think he is dyslexic. Too many GM's including the Browns took that as too big of a strike against him. But the kid has been outplaying both Alex Smith and Shaun Hill....granted it is in garbage time. The kid has a harder time reading from what I understand...but was very intelligent...He could understand things quite easily when put in a visual reference.(which for me is strange since how much more visual can you get than a playbook....lol) There were a couple threads on him before the draft......If people are looking for that next QB out of nowhere....This kid could be it....
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God I hope not.
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Orton will be held out of the team's final preseason game and his status for Week One is in question.
are you kidding me, the status for the first four games is in question. The index finger is key when throwing the ball. He blew out a joint and you can't exactly splint it and hope to throw a ball.
Denver is in need of a QB. My guess is O'Connell- the pats just cut him and the lions just signed him. Denver sends detroit a low pick for a QB that knows the system.
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...a bloody right index finger... an open dislocation of the right knuckle...
That sounds like a bone popped through the skin.  It should take awhile to heal. I can't begin to imagine he'd miss only a game or two.
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I guess we are.....?
Four teams claimed O'Connell
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 1, 2009 7:03 PM ET
Whenever the Patriots release a player, it's rather easy to assume that one of Bill Belichick's former charges in Kansas City, Denver, and Cleveland will be interested in the player.
In the case of New England's 2008 third-round pick, quarterback Kevin O'Connell, that assumption would have largely been correct.
According to NFP's Brad Biggs, four teams put in a waiver claim for O'Connell: Detroit, Denver, Cleveland, and the New York Jets. (Romeo Crennel reportedly also tried to make a claim from his couch, but league rules wouldn't allow it.)
Kansas City's lack of interest isn't a great sign for O'Connell: both decisions makers in charge of drafting him -- Belichick and Scott Pioli -- don't want him.
The Broncos claim was expected, but Cleveland's interest is good fodder for some shameless rumor mongering and speculation. So here goes.
O'Connell would have been an interesting fit on a Browns team that already includes Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, and Eric Mangini favorite Brett Ratliff. In theory, the team has all the young developmental quarterbacks they need in Quinn and Ratliff.
The possible acquisition of O'Connell could have theoretically made it easier for the Browns to deal a quarterback, presumably Anderson.
Then again, maybe Mangini was just putting in a claim of a former Patriot out of habit.
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I think they are assuming we trade Anderson.. and get O'Connell for the 3rd string..
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What if ......
What if Mangini looks at the 2 QBs as of today, and legitimately considers the race too close to call. Obviously each guy has strengths and weaknesses ..... and each guy has room for growth ..... so what if he looks at the guys as opposite sides of some twisted QB coin, and he sees advantages and disadvantages to each .... but none that are so compelling as to crown a king at this point.
Further, what if he is watching the situation around the league, and has heard from teams with a QB issue .... and he's willing to listen to offers on either guy?
Neither QB is "his" guy .... so he has no investment beyond this pre-season in either one of them.
I'm not saying this is necessarily the case ....... but he sure hasn't gone out of his way to (outwardly, at least) favor one guy over the other.
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I think he determined he was happy with one or the other a long time ago or he would have stayed at five and taken Sanchez. At least I hope so... I have nightmares thinking about the QB's we have passed on over the years and yet we still find ourselves wondering who the heck our starter is
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i think, it that really happens, he has two options. see if either of them will fetch him a piece that he needs (rb or rg/rt or draft picks) or he'll go with quinn because of the public sentiment.
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i would think that if mangini is shopping derek, he would be better off just saying so, and shipping him to the highest bidder. it's hard to buy into the idea that he hasn't figured out who the QB is. maybe he is waiting until after this last preseason game in case of an injury here. it happens. hopefully we wont see our QBs doing any risky illegal blocking on a gimmick play. 
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I think this sums it up best of the Manginian way
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In theory, the team has all the young developmental quarterbacks they need in Quinn and Ratliff.
and Anderson....
I think they are saying they don't think Anderson is developmental, he is what he is. 
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I wonder if Mangini is starting DA tonight (I read this somewhere) and then letting BQ take a bunch of reps as the #2, just to try and pull the wool over the Vikes eyes.
Quinn gets more game time, DA appears to be the chosen one and BAM!
Quinn is the starter!.................................Thoughts?
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i just posted in the gameday section but nether quinn nor DA are apparently playing tonight, per grossi. Quote:
• Brett Ratliff will start tonight's game at quarterback and probably play one half. Richard Bartel is expected to finish the game.
Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn will be in uniform, but probably will not play. That will hold true for an undisclosed number of regulars, the club announced.
It sure looks like the QB competition is over, but coach Eric Mangini is not saying.
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Is it safe to say Quinn is our starter now?
I can't see it any other way to be honest. A little surprised he didn't drag it on another week, though.
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By not playing either one he is dragging it on another week..
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Or... he's naming Ratliff the starter! 
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i would say it's safe to say quinn is the starter. i'd say that with 95% certainty.
the reason for the 5% is we put a waiver claim for kevin o'connel and the only 4 teams who put in for him were the lions (who got him), us, the broncos, and the chiefs. it makes you wonder what we would've done if the lions didn't put the claim in because we would've gotten him then.
nologoneeded posed the opinion that there could be adequate ingrediates for a potential trade but i say it's a stretch. they basically said that the broncos need to get rid of marshall, the jets need marshall, and they used that to play up another quinn to denver thing.
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