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Jeff George had talent. He was too full of himself. He killed his on career with the way he acted on and off the field.
Anderson seems like he gas a little bit better attitude than George.
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Jeff George had talent. He was too full of himself. He killed his on career with the way he acted on and off the field.
Anderson seems like he gas a little bit better attitude than George.
And Anderson has talent as well, except the mental part of his game is completely undeveloped.
Personally, I think the similarities in George and Anderson are amazing. Both have talent and both cannot develop their talent.
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Back to the topic...Quinn.
Why?
I think he's the smarter QB and better leader. A guy with his mental abilities, work ethic and physical gifts should be successful with time and experience.
See: Philip Rivers after sitting for 2 years, but Quinn doesn't have LT and the Chargers' D of 2006 to rely on.
I go the even more stupid and simple route, ignoring everything each has done in their "pro" careers;....and I can even say this not really knowing much about Derek's college days, Quinn was simply a better QB coming out of college. He should have been playing from Day One, like Detroit is gambling on with Stafford.
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...and could not name the starting QB on half the teams in the league....
Oh cmon. Your talking about 80% of the Steeler fans I see in bars across NE Ohio.
An actual quote trying to talk football with a couple Steeler fans "Im not too sure about the players, I just enjoy watching them win."  At least the other guy knew what he was talking about.
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Oh cmon. Your talking about 80% of the Steeler fans I see in bars across NE Ohio.
An actual quote trying to talk football with a couple Steeler fans "Im not too sure about the players, I just enjoy watching them win." At least the other guy knew what he was talking about.
It wasn't a contest.....There are fans like that all over the country...I sat in Cleveland Brown Stadium two years ago and had to tell the Brown fans behind me who the TE was (Chad Mustard).....The guys were very obnoxious until they found out we were not...same for the guys in front.....when we came in...it was OH NO....WHY ARE THEY HERE.....by the end...it was good game...drive safe...They were really good people...they were just digging in thinking we were going to be trouble makers....but they loved the BIG NAMES..and the Colors...they new little about the players.
the funny stuff was on the way out....there was a drunk trying to pick a fight with an old couple...screaming "NOT IN MY HOUSE....YOU CAN'T COME IN TO MY HOUSE AND DO THAT"......Very happy to say...as I started over to intervene....a few group of Brown fans beat me to it....they stepped in and told him to settle down its just a game....
We get in my Uncles car....and we are in line waiting to get out....just sitting there talking about the game...there is a knock at the window...my mother turns to see what is going on and caught a HAIRY MOON pressed right up to the window just inches from her face......Very funny.
So we try to cover up my moms black and gold...LOL
we are almost out...and there is a car trying to squeeze out into the line....My Uncle (a Browns fan)....motions at him to roll down his window....and he does.....at which point my Uncle grabs my moms terrible towel and waves it at him saying "If you say Steelers are #1 I'll let you out"
He said no.....well there were a lot more colorful words being said...but that was the gist...LOL It was more....F U...I'll sit here till I run out of gas.
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QB A: 5402 Yards, 53.4 Comp %, 38 TD, 27 INT, 1.40 TD-INT, 74.5 QB Rating
QB B: 5092 Yards, 57.2 Comp %, 26 TD, 25 INT, 1.04 TD-INT, 73.8 QB Rating
Two players in their first two years starting, can you guess who they are?
who?
Player A is Derek Anderson
Player B is Jeff George.
And before you say sample size, 810 Att-819 Att, and that doesn't even include Anderson's first few starts in 06, which if I did, would have made the comparison a little more skewed *and would have brought Anderson well back to George.*
My point is that despite a few unbelievable games in 2007, Derek Anderson has been Jeff George.
THANK YOU! i have been saying this for a while now, Jimmy Johnson while coaching the Cowboys said that George had the best deep ball he had ever seen, got him real far without a head on his shoulders 
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Its been almost 2 whole years since Derek has done anything, back in 2007, after the Houston game...until today Derek Anderson has been one of the worst QB's in all of football. Last year he was scary bad, and all Browns fans know how the end of 2007 went.
Derek had one half of a good year, since then has sucked it up, bigtime. He's never grown an inch mentally, he's the same guy he was 3 training camps ago, when something goes wrong on the field, he looks to the sideline, when his headset breaks, so does the offense. He's still the same low com% QB, who will turn the ball over all the time because he can't read zone coverage, and hes wildly inaccurate.
All this has been re-hashed over and over. Derek was beaten in every way this pre-season, which IMO, wasn't even necessary, we have to see what Quinn has, right now. Quinn should been named the starter in March, and give him a whole camp, with 90% of the reps, and the whole team knowing who the guy.
What we are doing now, only hurts both QB's and the offense, and its so completely unnecessary. The public knowing who the QB is gives EM no disadvantage. I don't care that we don't know, but the QB's, coaches, and team not knowing?
If this what not a "new coach" EM would get getting crucified on here, but as usual, most apologist would follow the new coach off the cliff and through the fire.
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I think the starting QB will "leak" today.
If the players don't already know who is starting, they will know today. Wednesday is usually the day teams install their gameplan for the upcoming game. So hopefully we will know soon.
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The starting QB knows who the starting QB is...officially. Quote:
Mangini said he met Tuesday night with Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn and explained the reasons for his decision.
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Anderson should have been the only QB invited to that meeting,....
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Just a real quick blurb
Who I think will - Quinn
Who I think should - Quinn
For me it comes down to consistency...but that really isn't what I am going to talk about...I just wanted to pass along something I noticed...and it isn't anything ground breaking or major. But it has stuck with me.
In watching the preseason games...whenever the camera got a shot of the younger QB's Ratliff and Bartel (especially once they were playing) on the sideline. Quinn was almost always right there with them talking with them and going over things....Derek was rarely seen. Even in the Titans game Derek was all alone off to the side when the ref ran him over and threw a BS flag....But Brady was always talking with the young guys and trying to help them along. Now that does not mean Derek does not do those things. It does not mean he doesn't have a good relationship with his teamates. I just thought it interesting. Quinn on the sideline is always leading...he is not in anyones face or anything...but you can see that he and the people he is talking to are definitely working things out. Derek not as much...again..I am not saying he does not do these things...it very well could be coincedental camera usage...but it was like this throughout the preseason....especially in the Chicago game where neither played....I continually counted 3 QB's in the frame and none of them had the #3.
Not a deal breaker by any means for me....It just stuck out to me...There are other reasons that have far more merit that I would use to make a QB decision...but I would not completely discount how he interacts with his teamates.....Just thought it interesting.....
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What's weird is that Quinn is younger than both Bartel and Ratliff.
Ratliff only by about a month. But Bartel is 26 years old.
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According to PFT Quinn got the majority of reps on Monday. Who knows who will get the majority today? Only Mind Games Mangini knows for sure....... 
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Everyone knows who the QB is gonna be, which is why these last 5 weeks have been so pointless. The only thing its done is cost Quinn invaluable reps in practice, and in camp, and in pre-season.
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Hard to argue that, let alone whatever trade value Anderson might have had, if that was in anyone's agenda. I still think it's good to keep both (backup) and hope they handle it with courteous professionalism.
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I think they will handle it well, DA has to walk the straight and narrow and hopefully get lucky that a team has so many injuries they have to trade for him.
Had Quinn somehow lost, he might have wanted out, which would have been very understandable.
I think DA will be here until his contract is up, nobody is gonna trade much to get him, considering his overall performance. Plus ridiculous contract which was an incredibly dumb move by Savage, shoulda tagged him and been done with that.
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Everyone knows who the QB is gonna be, which is why these last 5 weeks have been so pointless. The only thing its done is cost Quinn invaluable reps in practice, and in camp, and in pre-season.
Which is the most frustrating point to all this.
PTI, my favorite and sometimes the only show I watch on TV (outside the The Universe on the History channel, had a whole 3-minute segment on the Browns last night. Points they made:
- Not choosing by now likely means we don't have a starter. We have two backups. So we're screwed.
- Most other teams say, "here's our QB...go ahead and beat us if you can." As if, we have no faith in either guy.
- Minnesota will have to prepare for both....but it's not like it's a pocket QB versus a running QB as the two choices, they're both essentially the same. So they aren't going to be spending that much extra time on this in the film room.
- The two All-World Viking D-linemen will sit on either QB just the same. They don't care.
- The only way Mangini looks like Mangenius is if we win. If we lose, he looks like Manmoron.
Can't really argue with most of their comments.
They didn't really burn EM, since the final score will seal his fate in the media and public's eye. The QB better play well on Sunday.
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Not choosing by now likely means we don't have a starter. We have two backups. So we're screwed.
Yes, I too hate that statement...fans and media assume that since, in EM's mind, one QB didn't outright win, that both QB's stink. If anyone watched the Browns, and used their brain it was fairly easy to see who the QB was. Plus Quinn is young and unproven and we have no idea what we have.
So many people have almost written him off, because he hasn't played, there again assume hes not good enough.
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(On team captains)- “We’re going to vote on that on Wednesday.”
(On if he will announce the captains)- “Yes.”
(On if they will be season long captains)- “Yes. The players will vote on it. It’s not one of those votes with an asterisk. It’s legit.”
(On if he has a set number of captains he wants)- “It depends on where it comes out. Traditionally, it’s been six: two O, two D and two special teams. Sometimes if you have an overwhelming number for a guy on defense and special teams and the next closest vote-getter really isn’t in the same range, maybe it’s five.”
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i'd assume the captains will leak (even if announced just prior to the game) so one would think if a qb is a captain, that's the starting qb. we'll see i guess.
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from MSN.com link BEREA, Ohio (AP) - The mystery about Cleveland's starting quarterback has been solved — sort of. Browns coach Eric Mangini informed Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson of his decision during a meeting on Tuesday night, and both quarterbacks did their best to keep the secret as the team prepared for Sunday's opener against the Minnesota Vikings. After handling a few awkward questions, Anderson, who met with reporters first on Wednesday, may have given away Mangini's choice when he said "the rest of us have to go about our regular preparations." Quinn only confirmed he and Anderson had met with Mangini. Quinn said the coach "hasn't told us anything about a final decision." Mangini feels keeping his starter a secret will give his team a competitive advantage. .....i know its not iron clad...but just sayin...
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"Minnesota will have to prepare for both....but it's not like it's a pocket QB versus a running QB as the two choices, they're both essentially the same. So they aren't going to be spending that much extra time on this in the film room."
Of course we are talking about two Bozo's analysis.
But the above simply is not true...
BQ they got 8 in the box and play Cover 3
DA they got 7 in the box and play Cover 2
Ahhh and I see...all those teams who named a starter for Preseason Game #3 got Real starting QBs and us who didn't for that big meaningless game Do not.
They don't get it...its not about announcing and letting the media know...gee now that makes it official 
Its about Mangini...knowing. And When he knew it? Surely it wasn't Monday night when he had his epiphany and now will stick to it all season long.
He knew it prior to Preseason Game #1....
As for the team knowing it...the Starter is getting most the reps and practice is only open to the media in Individual drills - After the media get shown the door we go into 11 on 11's and thats when the entire team will know 100% who the starter is.
JMHO - Gee I wonder who going to come out of the Tunnel? Offense or Defense first...lol 
BQ - Offense so the crowd will scream with glee.
DA - Defense so the Browns can get some cheers before the O comes out and there is a complete....Hussshhhhh over the crowd  and then a chorus of Boos.
Seriously though I think it will be ugly if DA is named the starter.
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nooo...not really - ya kidding right? Only way is due to injury.
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/09/quinn_or_anderson_still_no_def.htmlQuinn or Anderson? Still no definitive answer by Mary Schmitt Boyer and Britt Braudo Wednesday September 09, 2009, 1:03 PM Thomas Ondrey/The Plain DealerDerek Anderson BEREA, Ohio ---- Did Derek Anderson tip his hand when asked about the Browns quarterback situation? Browns coach Eric Mangini told reporters on Wednesday that he'd met with his quarterbacks on Tuesday and told them who would be starting. But he has asked them not to announce his decision in order to keep the Vikings guessing before Sunday's regular season opener at Browns Stadium. Anderson was asked by reporters if it was going to be difficult not to let the news out. "No,'' he said, "because after this next two minutes are over I'm not going to be talking to you guys. It's pretty easy....Obviously, the rest of us have to go about our regular preparations and continue to do what we always do and just not talk to our families.'' By ''rest of us'' did he mean the non-starters? Most observers expect Brady Quinn to start, but Quinn was even less forthcoming than Anderson. Meet the 2009 Cleveland Browns Click here to see our interactive roster of the Browns players, with stats, photos and bio information. In fact, when asked whether Mangini met with the quarterbacks together or separately, Quinn said, "He hasn't said anything to us yet.'' Told by reporters that Mangini said he told the quarterbacks his decision on Tuesday night, Quinn said, "He talked to us about it, but again, you know, he hasn't told us anything about a final decision for us.'' Asked whether he viewed Sunday as the real start to his career, the coy Quinn said, "I don't know, I mean that's a hypothetical right now, and at this point I really kind of looked at last season as that, when I got my opportunity to play.'' The Vikings don't seem all that worried either way. Asked about the unsettled quarterback situation in a conference call on Wednesday morning, Minnesota coach Brad Childress said, "I think the big thing is that we're getting ready for a scheme, and I can't imagine that they're going to get rid of all their plays and their system and so on and so forth. They're both bigger guys, taller in stature. One's a little faster than the other, but one's got a little bit more experience that the other, so I think it's basically getting ready for all the other people in those schemes.'' -------------- So, it's Quinn...this is so stupid...DA at least is making fun of this farce...Quinn has to lie in order to not ... off his highness...this is just soooo stuuuupid....in the long term he's doing more damage than good with this secrecy BS....hey Penguin, those are grown men...treat em that way, they aren't robots like you and it will backfire on you stupid moron...just like in NY I hate Tomlin and I think he hasn't even half the clue about the game compared to the Penguin (he did lots of idiotic gameday decisions and got his arse saved by his DC)....but he's the type of coach we needed in this situation, he knwos he has to trust (the DC) and can manage and motivate PEOPLE...not just the extreme anti-RAC..a coach than can handle characters. Instead we have a marshall who wants to have 53 yes-Sir soldiers....good luck with that Sir
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So, it's Quinn...this is so stupid...DA at least is making fun of this farce...Quinn has to lie in order to not ... off his highness...this is just soooo stuuuupid....in the long term he's doing more damage than good with this secrecy BS....hey Penguin, those are grown men...treat em that way, they aren't robots like you and it will backfire on you stupid moron...just like in NY
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this is just soooo stuuuupid....in the long term he's doing more damage than good with this secrecy BS....hey Penguin, those are grown men...treat em that way, they aren't robots like you and it will backfire on you stupid moron...just like in NY
these are grown men doing this for a profession. they will do their jobs no matter who is under center.
mangini played the same game in 2006 naming Penny starter....Jets go 10-6
RAC changed his mind at halftime of week1 in 2007....Browns go 10-6
whisenhunt played the same game in 2008 (well, named starter after week4 presseason at least).....Cardinals go 9-7 and within 2 minutes of the superbowl win
I have posted above many times because it just doesn't seem to get across that this is not really that abnormal.....or that it will not affect the team longterm.
the team will rally behind whoever starts behind center because their paychecks rely on it. not too much too it.
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the "abnormal" part is that your players obviously cant even talk to their families about it and have to rely to lying when asked...that's just childish....if it's internal then just shut your players down for interviews...at least that would be consequent....instead he's still playing stupid head games with his own players causing more distraction...hey moron: it's gameday week...not "who's the starting QB, C, RB, WR, NB, OLB, RG and who can shut up on it, when I tell you guys" week
we already take a coward's stance with that...instead of kinda saying: "Quinn's our starter...leader blahblah, Mack's our C etc" and come out with a fighting attitude ("here we are"...beat us)...we try to play stupid, childish games nobody will fall for...you can play sneaky games when you know who you are and are established (see Pats)...I don't see it working for an unstable organization that NEEDS an identity to begin with.....it's cowardish all the way...not that I did expect anything else from Mangini....after all, his whole career/philosophy was/is parasitarian/conservative: rising under the Belli-cheat, sneaking on his master (and ultimataley on what made him known), soft bend but don't break-D style, mickey-mouse Offense
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mangini played the same game in 2006 naming Penny starter....Jets go 10-6
RAC changed his mind at halftime of week1 in 2007....Browns go 10-6
whisenhunt played the same game in 2008 (well, named starter after week4 presseason at least).....Cardinals go 9-7 and within 2 minutes of the superbowl win
Good points to consider. Thanks.
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Neither QB has really separated themselves from the pack. So, therefore I think Quinn wins by default. Only because this franchise has to find out what Quinn can bring. DA got his shot in '07 and most of '08. It's Quinn's turn now.
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Seriously, I see teams do this stuff all of the time with injuries. I don't know why you are so angry???
Teams always work for advantages even slight ones. And what are you going to say IF the Browns win on Sunday???
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"Minnesota will have to prepare for both....but it's not like it's a pocket QB versus a running QB as the two choices, they're both essentially the same. So they aren't going to be spending that much extra time on this in the film room."
Of course we are talking about two Bozo's analysis.
But the above simply is not true...
BQ they got 8 in the box and play Cover 3
DA they got 7 in the box and play Cover 2
I think you made the the exact same point as they did. If you can summarize the differences in two sentences in a message board post, I think the people that actually do this for a living will be able to summarize/prepare just as quickly too.
Maybe it's an extra hour in a film session....but we're not talking double work here. And plus, the Vikes know BQ will be named the starter anyway. I'm sure the Vikes are spending most of their time with BQ and someother time with DA. And it's not much different than any other team on how they prepare for the starter and backup (in case there's an injury).
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You need to post more often... your little tirades make me laugh.... I can't believe this is such a huge issue...its a perfect example of making a mountain out of a molehill.....
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Did Derek Anderson tip his hand when asked about the Browns quarterback situation?
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the "abnormal" part is that your players obviously cant even talk to their families about it and have to rely to lying when asked...that's just childish....
There are Thousands of Professions and Millions of Workers out there who are not allowed to speak even to their family about what is going on at work. Most of them have nothing to do with national security. What is so childish about it???
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
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Im not a big Mike McLain fan. In fact, any good point he makes is something Ive already read somewhere else. But heres an article from him and what he has to add about the discussion. 2:14 p.m.: Signs point to Quinn as Browns' QB By MIKE McLAIN Tribune Chronicle POSTED: September 9, 2009 BEREA - Browns coach Eric Mangini hasn't publicly named a starting quarterback, but signs point to Brady Quinn being the man. Derek Anderson might have given a clue when asked if it will be difficult for him not to let out the secret prior to Sunday's kick off for the opener against the Minnesota Vikings. "After the next two minutes are over, I'm not talking to you guys," Anderson said. "The rest of us have to go about our regular preparations and continue to do what we always do." During the 30 minutes of practice during which the media was allowed to watch, Quinn participated in handoff drills to the running backs. Anderson didn't participate in the drill. http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/527071.html?nav=5021
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j/c
The only way this announcement/delay is a problem is if the coaches and/or players come out and look/play and/or say that they weren't ready as a unit and that they needed more time together.
We have heard and seen that play out before.
My / key is wearing out.
Like everything else with any coach and his "system" and personality...if we WIN, it's all good. /
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Very funny.
It looks like that's what he did though.
And I like how Quinn doesn't know Mangini already told the media that he made his decision. So Quinn says he doesn't know anything. Then when told Mangini announced it he changes his tune, but only a little.
High comedy.
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Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Quinn or Anderson - who will be
the starter, who should be the
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