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Offense better be dang near perfect sunday, but I will bet we have lots of confusion, flase starts, illegal formations, because this offense hasn't had time to gell and be a unit during the pre-season, all because of a mythical advantage over the Vikes.
All because of this right?
So this was Mangini's plan all along eh? To screw preparing his team all through the four preseason games on the chance that he could sneak who his starter is past the Vikes in the opening game?
Ok. I get you now. There for a minute I thought you were completely out of your mind.
Coach had a QB competition to deal with. He felt he had to give himself the best chance to pick the right one. So he runs it as long as he can giving both guys a fair chance. So the starter loses one freaking week of reps, (if he really did at all), and Mangini gets the ire of half the board and the local and national media over it. Screw 'em all.
Hell, we've been rotating offensive linemen nearly every series all through the preseason. The final group of starters have played very little time together. Do you think they've "gelled" and all they need now is to know who the starting QB is? Blah!
Every position on this team has been rotating. None of them are going to get the chance to gel until the season starts. I don't hear any whining about that. I don't care how important the QB position is. When you've got a team with a mix of a lot of new players it will take time at all positions to get used to each other.
It's not like we're a perennial playoff team and our hall of fame QB retired so we had to chose between one of these two guys while the rest of the team is a well oiled machine just chomping at the bit for a decision. This is a new team with a lot of new players, all new coaches and a new GM. It's all going to take some time to come together.
If we lose this game it will have zero to do with the starter losing reps for a week or two, or three. It will have zero to do with not naming a starter sooner. It will have everything to do with the Vikes being a far superior team in most every aspect. Best running back in the league, hall of fame QB, dominant DL, dominant OL. For crying out loud, give the guy a break for trying to get a little something over on them.
If any coach finds himself in a situation where he can play coy regarding whether or not a player will play he will do it. If Shawn Merriman tweaks his ankle in practice his coach will milk that for all it's worth and pretend to not know if he'll be able to play the next game. He may even list him as doubtful on the injury report. Then come game time Merriman is on the field creating havoc like he always does. Every coach does this. Every damn last one of them. If there is any way at all to not disclose something they will find a way to not disclose it. That's just the way it's always been and the way it will always be.
Wake the hell up and understand that this is nothing new. It's been a ploy since the first football game was played in the stone age, (that's where the ball first became known as "the rock")
We have a new coach with a new 5-year plan. That plan doesn't start and end with the opening game vs. the Vikings. And it sure as hell doesn't start and end with the timing of naming the starter. Hell, in '07 RAC didn't name Frye the starter until a week before opening day vs. the Steelers and no one bitched about that. They were all caught up in waiting on the chance for Quinn to play. Well, here he is. So what's the complaint now?
Right.
Some people on here have been cry babies about everything this organization has done year in and year out. It's no secret that if you want to be right a majority of the time then pound those negatives long and hard. Because out of all the plans anyone makes, you, me, the Cleveland Browns or any other team for that matter, the majority of the time they fall short of the mark.
If you bitch about everything then you have to be right at least some of the time. I guess that would be the route to take if being right is a main concern.
So if we lose to the Vikes what are you going to blame it on? That we're a team climbing out of a 4-12 basement trying to make a go of it with a new regime and some new players mixed in with the old, or that the coach didn't name a starter sooner?
Get real.
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I don't care if we don't know who the starter is, that isn't even in the discussion to why im upset over this. Its the fact that Quinn (who gonna be the starter for the first time entering a season) coulda used all of this pre-season and camp to be completely comfortable, and have his timing down.
Instead, hes been robbed of reps, EM has played a game in which everyone knew who was gonna win. And is now making an absolute mockery of this org by waiting until Wednesday of game week to let Quinn take over the #1 reps.
Brownsfanz...The regular season has not even started yet and "it seems", your making excuses for our QBs play?????
What is it you don't get...new coach comes to town...has two QBs who did not play well last year.
..so going into the season, neither is "handed" the job because they have done nothing earn the job...so the new head coach says show me what you got.
...and what's with the ultimatums?...
..."Offense better be dang near perfect sunday"...OR WHAT?...your gonna make excuses for the QB play?
...and what is this?..."Instead, hes been robbed of reps, EM has played a game in which everyone knew who was gonna win".....
...and this??..."After all this, and the lost time for Quinn, which will set him back, we better win Sunday."
Stop making excuses for whomever is our starter. It's reported to be Quinn and you are assuming the same and I believe it's Quinn's job too. I don't expect the Browns offense to be perfect and I don't expect our QB play to be perfect either.
You may not like to hear comments based in reality, but it would not have been a good move by Mangini to just hand the job to either QB because neither had played for EM previously or for any of his coaching staff. New offense, new coaching staff and two QB who did not have great seasons last year. Someone needed to earn the starting job under Mangini...what the heck is wrong with that?
Relax...and take it one game at a time...and don't start with excuses before the game is even played...try to see the bigger picture.
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I can't say for sure, but I don't think DA "gave anything away" with his "quote". If you read it in context - i.e. as he reportedly said it, and don't take it OUT of context, all he basically said was " I'll talk to you for 2 minutes" (reporters) "then after that, the rest of us have to go about our normal preparations". (okay, the quote isn't exact).
Now, I don't doubt for a minute that Quinn is the starter. But I also don't doubt for a minute that DA's "quote" may have been taken out of context.
Yeah, "the rest of us", as in, "not you guys".
Thank you Arch. Because that's exactly what I thought when I first read the article. "How did that get that our of that?"
I guess it's a pretty big deal for the media to know who's starting ahead of time so they can endear themselves to Mangini by reporting it early than coach wants.
I don't think DA let no cat out of no bag. I do think Quinn will start but I don't think DA said anything about it.
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DANNNNG!!!!!!!  You go dub!!!! 
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Good to see you posting more mac.
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Wow. extremely well said. Post of the year as far as I'm concerned.
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It's been a ploy since the first football game was played in the stone age, (that's where the ball first became known as "the rock")
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And I'll repeat..how does ANYONE here know how many reps each QB has been getting in team drills since practice has been closed off to the media and public? People are crying about how Quinn has lost on reps, but there isn't a soul here who knows with any sort of certainty whatsoever how the reps have been divvied up in practice.
For a young QB with limited experience and debatable abilities, I think every single rep lost counts.
To be very fair, I was for an even competition until the 2nd game was over. So from my lowly perspective, I believe Quinn only missed out on 1.5 games worth of action. That's because I wouldn't have sat him during the last game.
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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I don't disagree. My point is that since they shut down practice to media and fans, nobody knows if the reps have gone 60/40 to Quinn or 50/50 or 100% to DA or what, and anyone saying that they know with any certainty how many reps each QB is getting needs to post some proof, else its mere speculation.
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Mac is kinda like me and alot of the other old board posters on here..... You cant talk football with posters who already know the answer and they push a agenda like a democrate on health care.  Its no fun. Yet i still frequent and lurk without posting!!!!  Nice to read ya Mac!!!!
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I'd certainly agree with that. They are probably basing opinions on the limited info that came out during OTA's and camp.
DeepSouthDawg.........You old-timers and your subtle differences disgust me Quit lurking and start posting. Afterall, I can't argue with a guy who doesn't voice an opinion *L*
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You cant talk football with posters who already know the answer and they push a agenda like a democrate on health care.
Not needed in the football forum..but if you want to go that route...is it kind of like a Republican pushing propoganda on WMD in a Country that didn't posses or distribute any? OIL$ OIL$ OIL$ Private Contracts$.. I get what you mean though!
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To be very fair, I was for an even competition until the 2nd game was over. So from my lowly perspective, I believe Quinn only missed out on 1.5 games worth of action. That's because I wouldn't have sat him during the last game.
Focus your eyes on my watch...follow its motion... back and forth... back and forth... you would have played him 3-quarters in the third game and 1-quarter in the last. So he only missed out on 1.0 games. Later you will admit this to your friends on DawgTalkers. When I snap my fingers you will wake up and remember nothing... as usual.
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LOL 
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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Some of the board members would argue he never knew anything in the first place..
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YEA!!!!! You push your team like a man electing a Prez because he is articulate....not on his issues. Like judging a book by its cover!!!! Like dont ask the tough question and you wont hear a answer you afraid of hearing!!!! Yea...thats it!!!!! You got it rookie!!!!!
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Some of the board members would argue he never knew anything in the first place..
Can't forget what you don't know
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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Why isnt there a new thread talking about all the news and Brady Quinn being named the starter? It's like its a sin to start threads in here. This one has worn out its welcome. zzzzzzzzzz start a new thread
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Since3 we know who the QB is now, probibly about time to Lock this thing down huh?
/thread 
Not until I get my say...
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DA should have been with his teammates being a leader pointing things out what should have happened to make the play work better instead of standing around with his arms crossed.
You were joking around in the rest of your post so I hope this was a joke to. If not it is one of the dumbest things I've read in a while.
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I'm not happy that the media had to go and blow Mangini's cover.
What the hell is it about the words INTERNAL BUSINESS can't they understand?
Seriously, let's let our coach do what he pleases. He can do no wrong in my book.
Aren't you the one who claims to get some inside knowledge because you intern for a local radio bozo? How is that any different?
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J / C....I wonder...since "99" ...what will we see enter the H.O.F ?a player or a QB...controversy ? have`nt had a player this consistent yet. I think its funny....Mangini got the press all riled up over 2 QB`s that r dang near the same...lmao !
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I am happy with the final outcome. However, I really wish Quinn could have put more distance between him and DA. We are still going to have a somewhat divided board (most will be happy) and those hard core DA supporters will still have something to hang their hats on. I guess the good news in all of this is that DA looked good. We could have had a battle like 07 where neither looked good...
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Are people actually reading the "article"? I have article in quotation marks because this is a pathetic excuse of journalism. Slow day on BSPN. So any ego maniac tweets out a comment to a friend and it can be relevent, veriabiable news? This is rumor mill crap and they have nothing to go on. However, given the annoyance of the entire QB debate and hearing each and every talking point rehearsed to the point of no end... it's over so can we all just SHUT UP about the QB debate? I know it's just half-ass journalistic garbage but anything to not see a single cliche' about our QB debate...
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You cant talk football with posters who already know the answer and they push a agenda like a democrate on health care.
Not needed in the football forum..but if you want to go that route...is it kind of like a Republican pushing propoganda on WMD in a Country that didn't posses or distribute any? OIL$ OIL$ OIL$ Private Contracts$.. I get what you mean though!
My favorite response on the WMD front was by a General (can not remember his name) When asked why he felt they did indeed have WMD's his response was
"Because we still have the receipt!"
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