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Random roster thoughts...first by shear numbers at each position:
DB - 11 (Seems high)
LB - 9 (Seems about right)
DL - 6 (Right on the money)
QB - 3 (Ok)
FB - 1 (Probably ok)
RB - 4 (Probably ok; given the age of JL)
WR - 5 (Works for me)
TE - 3 (Yep)
OL - 8 (Seems light; esp since Hadnot is dinged and new guy is a UDFA)
K, P, LS - 1 each (Easy)
I believe we are looking for another OL...while there is good versatility, the season is a long one.
I do not know how Sorenson and Lawson continue to make this team. I get the fact that they are ST players...but is Sorenson any better that Lockett on the filed as a DB?
Does Lawson ever even play anything other than ST?
I like L Williams...don't really know why...apparently the coaches do to. I thought he'd get cut for sure.
I think I'd have preferred Ivy over Poteat.
Signing DeAngelo Smith makes me feel better about losing Carey.
Do you view PS guys as developmental guys? Or as added "depth"? Probably both I suppose.
Our gameday 45 should be pretty good...and interesting to follow (BTW, What a stupid rule by the NFL!)
I am happy for Hank that he made the team...just hoping that that does not mean that Mack is less than I hoped he'd be.
The 53rd guy right now has to be Sorenson or Lawson. One of these guys will go when we pick up another OL.
I think our starters will be very competitive with the other starters in the league while our depth will be decent to good.
I'm still worried about RT and S...although I think we have upgraded from last year.
Next year's cutdown day will be very interesting...finally.
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Did Constanza make the team?
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Good. I'm glad. I just wish some of our special teams specialists like Constanza, Sorenson, and Lawson could contribute in other areas too.
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Nope, Costanzo is still around.
He is this year's Mason Unck/Shantee Orr/David McMillan type of guy. Good special teams guy. No real chance of playing on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd down.
I hope he does make it on the field somehow though. I always like the guys who have weird numbers for their positions. (Costanzo is #44)
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I never thought Lewis was in any trouble of not making the team this year. Even if Davis becomes a starter at any point, Lewis will be the feature back on short yardage/goalline situations.
I thought Sorenson was 100% a goner. maybe Pools concussion problem gave him a job as insurance. This is the top position that needs upgraded next preseason, along with solidifing the right side of the o-line and the TE position. Mangini and Kokinis did a great job adding depth at the other positions. Cant get all the holes filled in one year.
I think this is the best draft since 99. All players were brought in with a role in mind and all have filled in nicely. I think Viekune in the 2nd round was probably the worst pick, but lets see if he can contribute from the inside spot. I wish we still had Chaun Thompson because not only was he good depth at ILB, he could come in and start at OLB if needed and was a good specail teams player.
The WR position was a mess and if anything the new regime made it respectable. An upgrade from last year.
This years postions vs last years
QB- BETTER Quinn and Anderson both have more experiance. No more coach Dorsey and Grad.Dorsey knew the offense better than anyone and still didnt have enough skill to move the ball.
O-line- SLIGHTLY BETTER Have a bigger body a center vs the big division DTs. Fraley can play some guard. Not much better but last year Lewis had to tippy toe and didnt have the holes he had in 07
TE- WORSE No Winslow. Had the best and most consistant hands on the team. Was slowed down by kneww injuries that prevented him from working out his legs to become a stronger blocker and lost any speed. Got chased down by DEs from behind. Better blocking this year but Royal wont be taking any pressure of Edwards or open the field up the way Winslow did. Heidon is a year closer to retirement. Not even sure Royal is an upgrade from Dinkens who played special teams.
RB- Better. I like Jason Wright. He could do a little bit of this and a little bit of that. Very smart player who did a little bit of everything. Davis right now could be a better starter though if Lewis goes down. Heck, he might even take the job from him even if he stays healthy midway thru the season.
D-line- Better Have a healthy Cory Williams who has a year of 3-4 experiance under his belt. Mosley was in on alot of plays when he was in and pressured the QB. Rubin has another year of experiance. Nice depth at this unit and all d-lineman now have 3-4 playing experiance.
LBs- ???? Jackson is back and that us good. Didnt see enough of Barton to say he is better than the old defensive captain Davis. Didnt see enough of Bowens to know how good he is. Only time will tell if Wimbley just needed the right coaching/scheme. Hall has a year under his belt and he impressed me. Losing McGinnest wasnt much but he still made alot of plays around the goalline. That was his specialty.
Safety- NOT BETTER Lost Sean Jones. Dont know if Elam can cover the TE any better . Pool added another concussion. Sorenson is still on the team. retained Adams who is good depth but dont want to count on him to hold down the fort all season. Around the ball alot down field.
CBs- BETTER Wright and McDonald are no longer sophmores and made themselves the hands down starters on this team. Coye Francies is a nice addition who is awlways around the ball and can tackle. Nice 6th round pick. I think him or Poteat will make us forget about the dreaded nickle back who has become the most hated player of the Browns in the past- Ralph Brown, Ray Mickens, Terry Cousins. Coye wont put up Anthony Henry numbers as a nickle but finally a rookie to smile about other than those castoff vets as a nickle.
Specail Teams- SAME Dawson, Pontbriand, Zastidul, and Cribbs are all still in place. Lawson as a backup and some good rookies making the team by showing their tackling skills on specail teams like Maiva stood out to me.
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The 53rd guy right now has to be Sorenson or Lawson. One of these guys will go when we pick up another OL.
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Just a random post here but I noticed that the Vikes cut Marcus McCauley yesterday.
I wanted us to draft him 2 years ago so bad with a low round pick and the Vikes snatched him up. If I remember correctly he had a pretty descent pre-season that year and I thought he was going to be a stud.
I'd kind of like to bring him in for a look.
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No, keep it. It will put a smile on my face every time I see it, even if the Browns lose. Thats a BIG IF TOO lol
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The 53rd guy right now has to be Sorenson or Lawson. One of these guys will go when we pick up another OL.
No way it's Lawson -he you're primary back up for ruturning kicks & punts. He's safe.
Well...the DB we picked up off waivers from Seattle has some returning experience and Harrison was supposed to be a candidate for PR duties starting back in OTAs.
I don't dislike Lawson and he has crazy speed...but I don't ever remember him playing a position.
I have seen Sorenson play a position and he was not awful.
I don't know...too many DBs and no other spot can really give up a guy to add to the OL...which I think is going to happen.
Of the DBs we have, I still think Sorenson and Lawson are splitting the 53rd spot.
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I would love to replace Lawson with a guy like Jack Ikegwuonu. I remember watching him at Wisconsin and the guy was a complete stud at CB. He led that team and was as physical a corner as you would ever see.
Then he tore up his knee, got drafted in the fourth and is on the PS for the Eagles.
Ikegwuonu might still make a great corner in this league. Not sure where the upside is for a bottom of the roster guy like Lawson.
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I hope you are correct as it would be good for us...I just don't remember seeing him.  If we do pick up another OL, someone will have to go...and I still maintain that that someone will be a DB. Note: I thought Floyd from Seattle had returning experience...he does...just at the collegiate level. However, Peerman and Smith also had collegiate level returning experience. So...well...I still don't know.
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No way it's Lawson -he you're primary back up for ruturning kicks & punts. He's safe.
Well...the DB we picked up off waivers from Seattle has some returning experience and Harrison was supposed to be a candidate for PR duties starting back in OTAs.
I don't dislike Lawson and he has crazy speed...but I don't ever remember him playing a position.
I have seen Sorenson play a position and he was not awful.
I don't know...too many DBs and no other spot can really give up a guy to add to the OL...which I think is going to happen.
Of the DBs we have, I still think Sorenson and Lawson are splitting the 53rd spot.
I dont know, Lawson may see alot of games at the 45 man gameday roster. He can spell Cribbs late in games because I think Cribbs is going to see alot more time at WR. You cant have him as the primary returner, gunner, possible wildcat (not sure if its in the gameplan, havnt seen or heard) and a starting #2 WR. Lawson will spell Cribbs late in games as the return man and possible dime back.
Sorenson as a safety though? He isnt bad in a 8 man front when he helps against the run or sending him on a safety blitz but he is horrible and takes really bad angles in the passing game. i didnt see him at all on defense in preseason which is why I didnt think he would make the team. If the game is on the line and Sorenson is in the game due to injuries, I would put money on it that teams go right at Sorenson. If he is in Im sure Ryan knows that he is the weak link on the defense and has ways to protect him from being burnt. You definatley cant give the QB any kind of time if Soernson is in on a passing down. If the opposing offense comes out with the spread, at least blitz the MLB because the 3 to 4 man rush still isnt working and Sorensons head will be spinning with that many options to cover.
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I think he takes suppositories. Like a horse would. That's how big he is.
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from scout.com list of available T and G. Quote:
Offensive Tackle
Levi Jones (LT) - Talented, long-time starter for the Bengals, but has suffered through various injuries over the past few years which have limited his play.
Mark Tauscher (RT) - May not be ready to play until after the regular season starts.
Jon Runyan (RT) - He still wants to play one to two years and should be ready to go very soon.
Jonas Jennings (LT/RT) - Oft-injured since he signed a big free-agent contract with the 49ers and probably is better off at right tackle because of his short arms.
Charles Spencer (LT/RT/G) - Very talented and versatile, but hasn't been the same after suffering a horrific leg/knee injury during his rookie season with the Texans. Recently signed with the UFL.
Kwame Harris (LT) - Marginal starter, but could be a solid backup for a team in need of a LT.
L.J. Shelton (RT/LT) - Versatile backup.
Jason Fabini (RT/G) - Can play probably at least three spots on the offensive line. Serviceable backup at this point in his career.
George Foster (RT) - Average backup tackle.
Anthony Davis (RT/G) - Marginal backup.
Oliver Ross (RT) - Decent backup RT.
Wesley Britt (LT) - Decent backup LT.
Milford Brown (G) - Better off playing RT or G.
Wayne Gandy (LT) - Last word we had was that he still wanted to play.
Junius Coston (RT) - Fits in as a fourth tackle.
Kirk Chambers (LT) - Decent backup.
Guard
Kynan Forney - Still capable of starting after being released by Chargers.
Pete Kendall - He turns 36 early next month, but probably still has two good years left in him.
Terrence Metcalf - Was recently released by the Lions. Still a solid backup.
Adrian Jones - Decent backup option.
Edwin Mulitalo - Oft-injured interior lineman who could be a pretty solid backup at this point of his career.
Toniu Fonoti - Former second-round pick of the San Diego Chargers who has bounced around in recent seasons.
Jeremy Bridges - Decent backup option.
Scott Peters - Basically a fourth guard.
Barry Stokes (RT/LT) - The 35-year old journeyman lineman has spent time with 10 teams in his career, but could find a new home before the regular season starts because of his versatility.
Lennie Friedman (C) - Basically a fourth interior lineman.
i would definitely rather have any of several of those guys than sorensen. hope we can do something with smith that dallas couldn't.
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I don't know. All of those guys seem like re-treads of busts.
I'm sure there is UDFA that deserves a shot over some of these guys.
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My thoughts..it doesn't take me long to figure out what the team needs for the next draft will be...
We lack athleticism on the Oline on the right side..and I'm not sure what Lewis has left..he should be phased out..
WR, another concern ..Cribbs listed as the #2 ..can he go deep and catch the long ball..run precise routes???
Edwards..he better step up..all I need to say..
Plus we have 2 roookie recievers who need experience..
I still am not satisfied with the LB core...it lacks a power run stuffer and a monster pass rusher...and the secondary is weak..we'll need a better FS next year...
The back end of the roster needs upgrading...
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Spencer is the one that sticks out to me. If he's healthy-ish he'll be snatched up soon by someone.
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I saw the Bear DVR...and liked the footwork and technique of Hilliard, rather impressive. We gave him up for PT cut from the RAMs - haven't seem him play but I am ASSuming we saw better than Hilliard who I thought was pretty good.
I do expect Hilliard to go on our PS as soon as he clears waivers...was a day later then others...same with Bernard OLB.
Lewis...I think too many reading into his PREASON play  Come on he's a 10 year veteran RB that has nothing to prove and just came off of Ankle surgery. His thoughts of Preseason was to work some rust off and not get hurt. He did most of his running in our obvious running downs and did not benefit from being in the entire game where you wear players down and pop some big plays off.
Reggie Bush, LT, Mulroney, Fargas, Betts, thomas Jones, Lamont Jordan...all ran for less YPC than Lewis did this summer.
Does this mean all of them are through in the NFL!!!
btw - I love Davis and I think we got a real stud  but he'll earn his reps not gain on Lewis as a Has Been.
I was impressed by Bowens...and he played a lot at ILB against the Bears.
Very aggresive and can move that big body, very good blitzer from there also.
I think our team would be best with Wimbley, Hall on the outside and then DQ, Bowens on the ILB. Barton is smart but plays ILB like a safety.
JMHO - I think we will see Vickers at FB but also a lot of 2 TE sets as we are carrying just one FB.
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Bowens @ ILB..now there's a thought
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Don't worry Maiava will be starting at ILB next year anyway.
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Highly unlikely. Especially since we already have one ILB at 230.
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Considering one of the ILB's jobs is to clog it up and take up blockers, it kind of does.
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What are you talking about? We have Rogers, he takes up all 5 O-Linemen by himself.
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The position I am speaking of is called the TED, and that is the way the 3-4 works.
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Your strongside backer should be a hammer type..and they usually fall in the 250-265 range..and they have to be a force to take on any big linemen/backs coming through... a lightweight of 230 will get demolished under the pounding ..
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Levi Jones (LT) - Talented, long-time starter for the Bengals, but has suffered through various injuries over the past few years which have limited his play.
Mark Tauscher (RT) - May not be ready to play until after the regular season starts.
Jon Runyan (RT) - He still wants to play one to two years and should be ready to go very soon.
Jonas Jennings (LT/RT) - Oft-injured since he signed a big free-agent contract with the 49ers and probably is better off at right tackle because of his short arms.
Charles Spencer (LT/RT/G) - Very talented and versatile, but hasn't been the same after suffering a horrific leg/knee injury during his rookie season with the Texans. Recently signed with the UFL.
Kwame Harris (LT) - Marginal starter, but could be a solid backup for a team in need of a LT.
L.J. Shelton (RT/LT) - Versatile backup.
Jason Fabini (RT/G) - Can play probably at least three spots on the offensive line. Serviceable backup at this point in his career.
George Foster (RT) - Average backup tackle.
Anthony Davis (RT/G) - Marginal backup.
Oliver Ross (RT) - Decent backup RT.
Wesley Britt (LT) - Decent backup LT.
Milford Brown (G) - Better off playing RT or G.
Wayne Gandy (LT) - Last word we had was that he still wanted to play.
Junius Coston (RT) - Fits in as a fourth tackle.
Kirk Chambers (LT) - Decent backup.
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Kynan Forney - Still capable of starting after being released by Chargers.
Pete Kendall - He turns 36 early next month, but probably still has two good years left in him.
Terrence Metcalf - Was recently released by the Lions. Still a solid backup.
Adrian Jones - Decent backup option.
Edwin Mulitalo - Oft-injured interior lineman who could be a pretty solid backup at this point of his career.
Toniu Fonoti - Former second-round pick of the San Diego Chargers who has bounced around in recent seasons.
Jeremy Bridges - Decent backup option.
Scott Peters - Basically a fourth guard.
Barry Stokes (RT/LT) - The 35-year old journeyman lineman has spent time with 10 teams in his career, but could find a new home before the regular season starts because of his versatility.
Lennie Friedman (C) - Basically a fourth interior lineman.
i would definitely rather have any of several of those guys than sorensen. hope we can do something with smith that dallas couldn't.
I bet Toad loves this list. How many of those guys were awarded big contracts (e.g. Jennings) and Toad was up in arms saying that they were awful?
The list is complete validation that just because you pay a bum big money does not make him a LT.
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Levi Jones...was actually good at one time.
Runyan is maybe the only one for a band-aid fix. But then again the wording seemed like he's rehabbing an injury also - Tauscher, Spencer...
still was impressed with Hilliard hope he gets on our practice squad and PT the rookie we took over him. Peen he's one of your boys right?
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- we claimed some S from the Seahawks, this Floyd guy....I'm still wtf? on this dude, he's 29 and never played a down in the NFL..what's the deal here? we waived Lockett for him who got claimed by the Pats yesterday, lol...why not M.White? who is now a Cowboy, who waived D.Smith, who we claimed...2 strange transactions...and I doubt Mangini is smarter than Belli or Jones at this point, esp. since we needed a NFL ready S since we have no backups who should actually play there in case of an injury (and Pool isn't known for being durable)....I like D.Smith as a flyer pickup but why a rookie at a position we needed more experience and gameday readieness?
- we still have have no OTs other than Thomas...StClair is merely a stop gap (think Shaffer just older) and an UDFA as #1 backup (Trautwein) who got waived by a team who has no OL (Rams)....doesn't look good....still don't get why we didn't go after Pashos...I like Trautwein but again, why a rookie?
- we have too many ST-only players on our roster (Costanzo, Lawson, Flyod, Peerman, Sorenson)....we better have a top 5 ST to justify that
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Trautwein?? Yep...I think he can develop in to a good NFL player.
He may never become a all-pro, but he has way more upside than a guy like Sowells. I could see him being a serviceable, starting level player with a little work and experience.....servicable meaning a guy who could be a starter over a 7-8 year span....
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still don't get why we didn't go after Pashos...I like Trautwein but again, why a rookie?
Now that I asked myself since I had read on another board that Mangini would surely go after TP if he was released..as far as the rookie goes...he can be developed since he's young.
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