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I was watching the Today program today.. they had a story of two teenage girls who both have fathers in the military and fighting in the middle east. http://www.dosomething.org/project/the-sisterhood-traveling-bdusI just found them to be good strong young women and wanted to share this with everyone.. They deserve our support. One of the girls wrote: Quote:
Teachers have said what my dad was doing, serving and protecting the country, is illegal and immoral
I wanna find the teacher that said that and beat them to within an inch of thier lives..
Even if they felt the war was illegal or immoral, it's not the soldiers fault, they are simply following orders. Also, what value is there in telling a teenage girl that about her father..
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I'd be amazed if a teacher actually said that. Sometimes teenage girls blow things a little out of proportion. I know, I've had a teenage girl in my house.
But putting that aside, everyone in the military deserves our support. Something that I think a vast majority of people agree with.
But they also need to be brought home. Stop being the world's policeman for a while. It's not really our job.
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But they also need to be brought home. Stop being the world's policeman for a while. It's not really our job.
The fact that today is 9/11 and you can say that amazes me. I get that it would be nice to live in a world without war and conflict, but today of all days you should remember what happens when we stick our heads in the sand and hope trouble goes away.
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But they also need to be brought home. Stop being the world's policeman for a while. It's not really our job.
The fact that today is 9/11 and you can say that amazes me. I get that it would be nice to live in a world without war and conflict, but today of all days you should remember what happens when we stick our heads in the sand and hope trouble goes away.
There's some thing you can't avoid from happening. 911 I think was really one of them. If it wasn't airplanes it would have been truck bombs, or something.
Fighting to free Iraq has done nothing to stop terrorists, they are here, and they are being sought out here in our own country, where they wish to do us harm. They can't do us any harm from the middle east.
And the Iraq invasion had nothing to do with 911, that's what the Afghanistan front is for, which had been largely ignored for the better part of the last 6-7 years while we screwed around "spreading" democracy.
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Wow, so Al Queda is healthier and more capable than they were eight years ago today? How oblivious do you have to be not to realize that if they could strike out at us - they would??
They have their hands full. Massive numbers of their "troops" have been slaughtered, safe havens destroyed, and they are in general "on the run".
Yet even after we've paid the price you'd declare failure? 
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Wow, so Al Queda is healthier and more capable than they were eight years ago today? How oblivious do you have to be not to realize that if they could strike out at us - they would??
Pull your head out from the hole in your backside, I never said they were healthier or more capable. What I said, is the war on Iraq had nothing to do with 911.
And in case you forgot, it was called "Operation Iraqi Freedom" Not, "Operation, let's kick ass for 911"
And if you consider planting IED's, and car bombs not striking out, then maybe your the one who is oblivious.
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Folks folks,,,, Please.. we can debate the value or credibility or reason for this war another time..
Today,, let's remember those lost on 9/11, and those that are fighting in a war and the families of the men and women that are deployed....
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I'd be amazed if a teacher actually said that. Sometimes teenage girls blow things a little out of proportion. I know, I've had a teenage girl in my house.
But putting that aside, everyone in the military deserves our support. Something that I think a vast majority of people agree with.
But they also need to be brought home. Stop being the world's policeman for a while. It's not really our job.
I dunno how, uh old, you are...but if you've been to a university class lately..its really unbelievable what some professors say and do. Everything is so left wing, anti-everything, no boundaries, hate everything normal, anti- military. God is obviously not in anything at all.
I'd bet money stuff like that is said hundreds of times a day in schools and colleges.
Heck our own president runs around europe essentially apologizing for us being 'mean' to terrorists. People are so far gone, mentally, and forget 911. Wonder if you had polled on 9/12 about what people think about waterboarding and torture?
The basic underlying fact is that alot of numskulls in the U.S. think that if we nice to other countries, then they will be nice back, and they fail to realize that the world is kill or be killed.
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Uh, well, gosh, I'm over 50 and you're right I haven't been in a college class in a long time.
When Daman said "teacher" I took that to mean High School. Had he said professor I would have thought college. I did not view the link he had because I figured from his post I had a pretty good idea what was in it.
Had he said college I would have no problem believing someone said that. But even though most on here seem to forget it, free speech is one of the rights everyone in the military is fighting to protect. I may not agree with what someone says but an awful lot of people have died protecting that right in the last 233 years so I think they have a right to say it.
For those that hold 9/11/01 as some kind of torch that allows us to run roughshod over the Constitutional and civil rights that our forefathers fought and died for I'd say this: The Constitution is a pretty clear document regarding our rights and duties as Americans. To toss it aside in times of peril or crisis is something we do at our own risk. And to do so makes us no better, and possibly worse, than the people we seek to defeat.
So go ahead and threaten to pummel those you disagree with. Or shun those than worship differently than you. See how that works for ya. I think, deep down, you know the results.
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I dunno how, uh old, you are...but if you've been to a university class lately..its really unbelievable what some professors say and do. Everything is so left wing, anti-everything, no boundaries, hate everything normal, anti- military. God is obviously not in anything at all.
I'd bet money stuff like that is said hundreds of times a day in schools and colleges.
Idk....I think that case is highly overstated.
I went to a "liberal college" for 4 years, and I almost never heard any comments from professors that went over the line. Maybe a dozen times in 4 years, i heard an offhand comment about the Bush administration that wasn't applicable to the lecture. Most of these comments weren't anything more than the type of jokes you'd hear from just about anybody on the street.
I don't think universities are near as bad as some people would have you believe.
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I almost never heard any comments from professors that went over the line.
So then your determination is based on where you draw the line... 
College age kids are liberal by nature... I think THEY are as much the reason campuses are viewed as liberal... Yes, I think far more professors would be classified as liberal than conservative but I don't remember an onslaught of indoctrination when I was in college...
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But they also need to be brought home. Stop being the world's policeman for a while. It's not really our job.
The fact that today is 9/11 and you can say that amazes me. I get that it would be nice to live in a world without war and conflict, but today of all days you should remember what happens when we stick our heads in the sand and hope trouble goes away.
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But they also need to be brought home. Stop being the world's policeman for a while. It's not really our job.
The fact that today is 9/11 and you can say that amazes me. I get that it would be nice to live in a world without war and conflict, but today of all days you should remember what happens when we stick our heads in the sand and hope trouble goes away.
There's some thing you can't avoid from happening. 911 I think was really one of them. If it wasn't airplanes it would have been truck bombs, or something.
Fighting to free Iraq has done nothing to stop terrorists, they are here, and they are being sought out here in our own country, where they wish to do us harm. They can't do us any harm from the middle east.
And the Iraq invasion had nothing to do with 911, that's what the Afghanistan front is for, which had been largely ignored for the better part of the last 6-7 years while we screwed around "spreading" democracy.
Part of the reason to go to war with Iraq was to be able to have a stronger presence in the middle east and have a base for operations. Bush never said that, but it is a perk to the war. Have a base right dab in the middle to monitor all the nations that harbor terrorism.
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I did not view the link he had because I figured from his post I had a pretty good idea what was in it.
Thats the problem., you didn't look at the link and read a little.., Had you done that, you would have found that what I find heartwarming was these two teenage daughters of military men who set up an organization to assist other teens that have parents that are deployed.
The teacher comment was just a small part of it. It caught my eye.
But the crux of the thing is, these are teenagers helping other teenages cope with something many of us haven't had to deal with. In my case, by the time I was a teenager, my father was too old to be in any war. (it would have been Vietnam) My dad served during WWII and I wasn't even born yet.
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I almost never heard any comments from professors that went over the line.
So then your determination is based on where you draw the line...
College age kids are liberal by nature... I think THEY are as much the reason campuses are viewed as liberal... Yes, I think far more professors would be classified as liberal than conservative but I don't remember an onslaught of indoctrination when I was in college...
As they say if you're 20 and you're a Republican you have no heart.
If you're 30 and you're a Democrat you have no brain.
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Wonder if you had polled on 9/12 about what people think about waterboarding and torture?
A lot of people were not thinking rationally on 9/12, so they'd probably support it.
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A lot of people were not thinking rationally on 9/12, so they'd probably support it.
on 9/12 I was still so numb that I can't tell you what I was thinking.. can't tell you what I did that day.. don't remember going to work, nothing. 9/12 is a complete blank..
Several days later, when it became clear that the american governement was blaming forks in Afganistan, I wanted to turn that country into a glass parking lot. (you know, nuke them, super heat sand, turn it into glass)
Then I realized, I would be no better than those that attacked us...
I had to believe then, and I still believe, cooler heads may have found a better way to avenge that day... Which I"m pretty sure that after a trillion dollars, 4000+ american military lives,and countless useless debates, we are no closer to accomplishing..
Not blaming anyone,, the time for that is long passed.. pointing fingers serves no purpose.. afterall, hindsight is truly 20/20 vision. Just sayin......
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Now, just where exactly was it that the mock-up 747 fuselage was set up that the 9/11 murderers trained on?
Whatever the effectiveness of the military actions, I strongly doubt that another sovereign government will take an active role in promoting and assisting such people. What they have been shown is that by doing so, they put their own asses on the line.
Free speech must be viewed a little differently for a teacher, who speaks in a building paid for by taxpayer dollars, with authority delegated to them by those same taxpayers, and with an audience required to be there by law.
When I was in college, I did not hear much of this in most classes, but in the few "fluff" classes that I did take, there was quite a bit of it. Those instructors did not much care for me, or in fact anyone else presenting an opposing viewpoint.
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Several days later, when it became clear that the american governement was blaming forks in Afganistan, I wanted to turn that country into a glass parking lot. (you know, nuke them, super heat sand, turn it into glass)
Then I realized, I would be no better than those that attacked us...
Many Americans were quick to have notions like that.
You had McCain singing 'bomb Iran' to the tune of a Beach Boys song and a whole cavalcade of people in agreement...and then the folks over there began their protest and suddenly they were media darlings here...the same folks many wanted to bomb the hell out of a few weeks before. 
We don't tend to put faces to the damage we cause around the world. At the time, I thought 9/11 might help us realize what it was like, and the carnage that could be caused.
It didn't. I don't think Americans learned anything from 9/11.
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You had McCain singing 'bomb Iran' to the tune of a Beach Boys song and a whole cavalcade of people in agreement...
Do you have a link to McCain singing that? I missed it. Thanks.
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Ah, come on phil. A guy making a joke in reply to a question? Do you think he meant it, McCain, that is?
Come on, surely you have a link to McCain actually singing the song, right?
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The point was the irrational mentality that the man with the question held, and that McCain endorsed with his joke.
If you want to quibble over whether he 'sang' the song or not, I really don't have time for those semantics.
But back to the discussion at hand -- the 9/12 mentality that was referenced, the one that got us mired into two failed wars that the current president continues to wage. We're still over there, and we still have folks advocating not only continuing them, but the prospect of conflict with Iran.
We learned nothing from 9/11. It may have made us more irrational.
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If you want to quibble over whether he 'sang' the song or not, I really don't have time for those semantics.
I want to "quibble"? Sorry, you are the one that stated McCain sang the song. I asked for proof. You offered.........basically nothing.
Don't call me out for asking for proof of what you state as fact if you can't in fact prove it. That's juvenile and you're better than that.
You stated McCain sang a song. He didn't. Don't call me a "quibbler". when you are wrong.
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You stated McCain sang a song. He didn't. Don't call me a "quibbler". when you are wrong.
I mean...he didn't sing all three verses... the end of the video, in case you missed it: "you know that, that old beach boys song...bomb iran? bomb bomb bomb bo...."
I think it was a joke....it's actually kind of funny...i don't think Mccain meant any harm by it...he does kinda sing a song though.
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You stated McCain sang a song. He didn't. Don't call me a "quibbler". when you are wrong.
I mean...he didn't sing all three verses... the end of the video, in case you missed it: "you know that, that old beach boys song...bomb iran? bomb bomb bomb bo...."
I think it was a joke....it's actually kind of funny...i don't think Mccain meant any harm by it...he does kinda sing a song though.
I agree. He didn't mean it. And he mouthed one phrase of a song. That doesn't mean he sang it, as phil stated.
It was a guy trying to get a laugh and a vote.
He did not sing "bomb iran", as phil stated.
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As for the moral aspect, I don't believe the classroom of a public school is any place for teachers to be giving sermons. I also believe it is not any place for teachers to be on a soap box regarding their political beliefs, although the use of the military seems to me as appropriate discussion in a high school civic class.
I hope the girls reported the incidents and that when any of us become upset of such things we make our protest and call for corrective action felt to school administration and the Board of Education. Beating the crap out of the guy would garner him sympathy and do an unjustice to your rightful cause.
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I know, I've had a teenage girl in my house.
Did you let her go when the police showed up?? 
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He did not sing "bomb iran", as phil stated.
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So how would you define it then? Hummed a few bars?
It wasn't a normal speech pattern - it was made clear that it was a reference to 'Barbara Ann'. So...singing? Poetry? Free verse?
Semantics. The dude advocated bombing Iran.
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I sure wish the Republicans would go back to their pre-WWII isolation tendacies. Ever since that war our Presidents (from both parties) have over-burdened the military in similar fashion. On this score I was most happy to see McCain's campaign fizz out. If ony he had Ron Paul's attitude of not sticking military noses into other people's business I would have voted for him in a heartbeat rather than adhering to, "why vote, it'll only encourage them" attitude towards both parties
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