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It is hard to believe it has been 8 years. It's also hard to believe that I didn't see a single network dedicating any time to it this morning. Yeah, they might have mentioned it on their morning shows, but I remember them setting aside blocks of time for nothing but 9/11 stuff. How soon we move on, which I guess is okay.
So much of 9/11 has been talked about and debated on here, but I guess what I wanted to say is a GOOD memory from that day. I can honestly say that 9/11 (and the few days after) was the ONLY time in my life that it didn't matter if a person was a Democrat or Republican, Green Party member of Libertarian. Everyone was nice to each other, everyone cared for each other, everyone went out of their way for each other.
It didn't last long, and in today's ridiculously partisan world, it's almost hard to believe. President Bush couldn't do anything right, no matter what. President Obama can't do anything right, no matter what.
But for a few days 8 years ago, we weren't conservatives and liberals. We were Americans. We didn't care about stem cells, gay marriage, abortion, and tax cuts. We cared about supporting our fallen heroes and, just as important, supporting each other.
It's nice to know that our society, of which many (including myself) are so cynical, can band together in a time of need. I wish we'd see it more now and not need a national tragedy.
In any event, I will NEVER forget that day, and not just because we saw the worst of people, but because we also saw the best of people.
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I think, frankly, it's good that more is not being made of the fact that today is 9/11. It's been 8 years. While no one who was over the age of 5 in 2001 will ever forget that day it is time to move on.
Peace be with the survivors and surviving family members of the tragedies that day.
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I watched "Inside 911" again for about the 3rd time the other night and got ticked off all over again over what happened.That happens every time I see people jumping from those towers and the destruction that was done and all the lives that were lost.
I don't think we should ever forget what happened just because it was 8 years ago.The threat for a whole lot worse is still there today.God forbid that anything of this magnitude ever happens on American soil again.
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I think, frankly, it's good that more is not being made of the fact that today is 9/11. It's been 8 years. While no one who was over the age of 5 in 2001 will ever forget that day it is time to move on.
For me, I totally 100% DISagree. Its part of our very recent history and it should be out there for those too young to have understood or remember it. No different than the Revolutionary War, Civil War, WW1, WW2, etc and any other defining moment in the history of this country.
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I think, frankly, it's good that more is not being made of the fact that today is 9/11. It's been 8 years. While no one who was over the age of 5 in 2001 will ever forget that day it is time to move on.
For me, I totally 100% DISagree. Its part of our very recent history and it should be out there for those too young to have understood or remember it. No different than the Revolutionary War, Civil War, WW1, WW2, etc and any other defining moment in the history of this country.
They should be taught about it, but we don't stop to recognize the Rev. War, Civil War, WWI. There are still events for D-Day for WWII, but that's about it.
At some point, it will fade into our memories, and won't be top news story every year it comes around.
I'll never forget it, and how what seemed to be an accidental tragedy of an airplane striking a skyscraper, to becoming the impossible with the second airplane.
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Then what do you do on the 4th of July?
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still events for Pearl Harbor as well.
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Eat burgers, drink beer, and watch fireworks  4th of July is Independence Day, not Revolutionary War day. While one is a reason for the other, it's seldom thought of. You ask almost anyone why we celebrate 4th of July and they will say it's the day we declared our independence.
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There are still events for D-Day for WWII, but that's about it.
still events for Pearl Harbor as well.
Not on a national level, and usually there's not more than a mention that it is Pearl Harbor Day on TV or in the newspaper. Which is about what 911 will become at some point.
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4th of July is Independence Day, not Revolutionary War day. While one is a reason for the other, it's seldom thought of.
The people who don't relate the two are morons.... I can "declare" whatever I want but if I'm not ready to fight to make it a reality, then I'm little more than a loud mouth with a wish list. 
We have the 4th of July, we have veterans day, we have memorial day, we recognize VE day and VJ day, we recognize Pearl Harbor day... anybody NOT know when Pearl Harbor day is? Wonder why even young folks know that when they weren't born until 30 years later? Because we don't forget.
The difference is that those holidays all honor military folks.. (with the exception of the 4th of July which really honors our founding fathers).... 9/11 wasn't about military folks, it was about ordinary folks, civilians, police, firemen, rescue workers, ordinary airplane passengers.... all of us. I'm not lobbying to make it a federal holiday, but we should recognize it this year and every year with a moment of silence, a pause, a brief reflection.... and we damn sure need to keep recognizing it as long as the enemy is still out there....
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Excellent post, well said.
I remember that day like it was yesterday, I was getting ready to get a physical for a new job, I got up grabbed a cup of coffee and turned on tv, while getting ready to leave, I could hear the tragity on TV and figured, it was some strange TV show about what if or Jerry Springer or something like that, after about 10 minutees, it was like wait, this .....is for real, this is really actually happing thisisnt now made for TV show, our country is under attack, innocent Americans are dieing as I stand here watching, it still gives me a sick feeling in my stomach. God rest each and everyone of thier souls,
I remember after getting my physical all I wanted to do was get my children out of school and give them a hug, sit with my arms around my kids, let them know they were safe and appricate just being & having them there with me.
I remember the days following the questions from my kids, the shock something like this happened on US soil, the feeling of helpleseness and the feeling as if we as Americans were violated bye a stranger late at night. It seems every generation has thier Pearl Harbour or our 9-11 but we should always remember, to forget would be to forget those who lost thier lives that day, and forget those who put themselfs in harms way to help others, We need to keep it a day or rememberance, so we can remember just who as Americans we really are and remember just what is really important in life,
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It is hard to believe it has been 8 years. It's also hard to believe that I didn't see a single network dedicating any time to it this morning.
I completely agree with your post and thank you for making excellent points.. thank you very much....
The only reason I don't agree with that one sentence is that I have been watching MSNBC and the History Channel and both have covered that day very well...
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We have the 4th of July, we have veterans day, we have memorial day, we recognize VE day and VJ day, we recognize Pearl Harbor day... anybody NOT know when Pearl Harbor day is? Wonder why even young folks know that when they weren't born until 30 years later? Because we don't forget.
Well I am sorry to inform you, but if you talk to the majority of folks say 30 or under, they will not be able to give you a decent answer on why we recognize these days, other than the 4th.
Sure Veterans Day, because it's in the name. Pearl Harbor day, I bet there's a large number of folks that couldn't tell you that it is Dec 7th, without it having been just recognized withint the previous week or so.
And sorry, but I don't think I know VE and VJ day.
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VE = Victory in Europe VJ = Victory in Japan I'll be 30 on Oct 17th. 
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and we damn sure need to keep recognizing it as long as the enemy is still out there....
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Well I am sorry to inform you, but if you talk to the majority of folks say 30 or under, they will not be able to give you a decent answer on why we recognize these days, other than the 4th.
I don't believe there is a age limit on stupid...
Example from the Jay Leno Show promo:
Leno: Who lives at the Vatican?
Contestant: The Vaticans!
stupid is as stupid does.. 
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I don't believe there is a age limit on stupid...
Example from the Jay Leno Show promo:
Leno: Who lives at the Vatican?
Contestant: The Vaticans!
stupid is as stupid does..
Ms. South Carolina tell us in your own words why so many Americans can not find the United States on a map?
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VJ = Victory in Japan
I'll be 30 on Oct 17th.
 I don't think I ever heard them called VE and VJ, and I'm over 30. 
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I'll be 30 on Oct 17th.
I don't think I ever heard them called VE and VJ, and I'm over 30.
I think I only know because I am a huge WWII buff. Watched Band of Brothers like 2000 times now. Can't wait for the Pacific next year.
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I bet if we try we can come up with a hundred or so such comments...LOL
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9/11 wasn't about military folks, it was about ordinary folks, civilians, police, firemen, rescue workers, ordinary airplane passengers.... all of us. I'm not lobbying to make it a federal holiday, but we should recognize it this year and every year with a moment of silence, a pause, a brief reflection.... and we damn sure need to keep recognizing it as long as the enemy is still out there....
And I can assure you that those of us in uniform STILL hold that in the forefront of our minds each and every day. The most sureal feeling right now is that as I am typing this post on this day of reflection and rememberance, I can hear airplanes setting to launch out from my base going to drop as many bombs on the enemy that we can... Those pilots, us maintainers and each and every Army soldier I passed today are mindful and are ready to seek retribution on those that cause this travesty...
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Thoughts and prayers for the families of the tragedy
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Non-American here, but I still think about that day quite often.
It was one of the first things I thought of when I got up this morning.
There was a time when I read everything I could about it.. the thought of all those innocent people dying because of the sub-human terrorists. The WTC jumpers, the towers collapsing, the Kevin Cosgrove tape... the wasted lives and shattered families.
Just prior to the fifth anniversary I had a chance to talk to a photographer with the New York Daily News; he was right there almost the whole time and told me much of what he saw and experienced that morning. It'll be a long time before I forget that conversation, I can tell you that for sure. He sent me some photos that are just incredible.
I was speaking with a woman a few weeks ago, and when I found out she was from New York City, I asked her if she was living there on Sept. 11.
She said yes, and I asked her what it was like, what she felt that day and the days after. what it was like in NYC that fall... she started talking about how terrible it was then got quiet and emotional, and I started feeling guilty about bringing back bad memories. I didn't want to ask, but since then I've wondered if she knew somebody that day. Maybe not.
Peace to the victims and their families.
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I can't believe it's been eight years. I feel like it was at most a couple years ago.  It was a Tuesday because I skipped massage school that day for some reason. Made coffee, signed in to DawgTalk and saw BrownsBabe had made a post about a plane crash. Went to the tv and sat on the couch for the next two weeks, just watching the horror. I can't believe some of you think it should be forgotten...or WILL be, for that matter. 
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For me that feeling you wrote about lasted until Iraq, which not only divided Americans themselves but also between U.S. and old and new allies.
Strange how if off the top of my head I were to name significant American events how likely I would be to pass over the bright spots. Like many others I have either heard about or recall: Remember the Alamo, Ford's Theatre, Remember the Maine, the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, Dealey Plaza, the Lorraine Motel, the Ambassador Hotel, 9/11, and I may as well toss in The Drive. Today I'm remembering 9/11. Starting tomorrow I think I'll make it a point to take more time to recall our history's brighter moments.
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Non-American here, but I still think about that day quite often.
It was one of the first things I thought of when I got up this morning.
There was a time when I read everything I could about it.. the thought of all those innocent people dying because of the sub-human terrorists. The WTC jumpers, the towers collapsing, the Kevin Cosgrove tape... the wasted lives and shattered families.
Just prior to the fifth anniversary I had a chance to talk to a photographer with the New York Daily News; he was right there almost the whole time and told me much of what he saw and experienced that morning. It'll be a long time before I forget that conversation, I can tell you that for sure. He sent me some photos that are just incredible.
I was speaking with a woman a few weeks ago, and when I found out she was from New York City, I asked her if she was living there on Sept. 11.
She said yes, and I asked her what it was like, what she felt that day and the days after. what it was like in NYC that fall... she started talking about how terrible it was then got quiet and emotional, and I started feeling guilty about bringing back bad memories. I didn't want to ask, but since then I've wondered if she knew somebody that day. Maybe not.
Peace to the victims and their families.
Hi, Lampdogg.
Speaking as an American, I want to tell you how much it means to me to hear from someone who may live outside our borders, but feels for what we went through on that day.
I posted this entry on another message board, but it seems appropriate to cut/paste it here: It's only one American's memory of that time, but it's real and it's truthful:
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8 years... and I remember it like it was yesterday.
Girly and me had planned a vacation to Tennessee for some whitewater rafting with a pair of dear friends. Turns out, Paul ( my aceboon outdoor Eagle Scout/ex-Marine homeboy) used to be a river guide there. We'd planned for weeks... and it was lining out to be the perfectly-planned, perfectly-executed vacation. Departure date: 9/ 12 /01.
Well... we all went on with our plans. Somehow, we'd all come to the same conclusion, without so much as a word between us 4: cancel your plans, and the enemy has won its battle against the hearts and minds of the American Public.
It was the most sobering, poignant and yet uplifting vacation I've ever taken.
Sobering, because of the monumental events against which it was framed.
Poignant, because of the dichotomy that existed for me... how can I truly 'take a vacation' when so many of my fellow citizens are in a state of shock and mourning?
...and uplifting, because of what I experienced on that trip:
On our drive down there, we had to slip past Cincinnati. As we drove past the city, I looked at all the tall buildings- and was instantly transported back 24 hours, to my first view of those horrific scenes of the scarred and collapsing World Trade Center towers.
The stark juxtaposition of the urban scenes which dominated the TV just a day before, and the peace, solitude and serenity of the Great Smoky Mountains. As I gazed at those verdant crests, I felt raw, exposed, vulnerable to the world... and yet safe from it also, snugged deeply inside the bosom of America.
The sense of duality: that such ugliness could co-exist in real-time with such beauty. The immenseness and incomprehensibility of Life pressed its awsome weight against my shoulders that week. I was humbled and left speechless many times over those days. I felt small and insignificant, when judged against the events of just a few hours before... but was made to feel even smaller by the awesome beauty that nature still held for me. She was unmoved by planes, buildings, and the machinations of men.... and I loved Her for it.
The way in which I was shown kindness and consideration... by folks who may not have given me the time of day under other more everyday circumstances. At one point in the trip, I was body surfing some rapids, and got caught in a hydraulic. Two "Good Ol' Boys" jetted their kayaks out to my spot, got me out of the flow, and helped me to shore. They looked like the kind of guys I'd always made a point to avoid, based on past history. Indeed, they might have been just that sort... but not that week. Not during September, 2001. Those "Good ol' Boys" helped me when I really needed help... and seemed to be proud to do so. I looked them each in the eye, and thanked them from the bottom of all that I was. They met my gaze, and told me it was alright... that they were glad to do it. That experience humbled me beyond words, and made me feel very close to My Fellow Americans that day.
The unspoken truth that was shared between us and all the other members of our river party that day. With just a glance, we could each communicate to the other that we ALL knew what had just happened- and that we were all engaged in the same quest... to bring a sense of beauty, balance and sanity to our worlds. We shared that trip with some Yuppies from New York, locals from Tenn, and a Boy Scout troop from Kentucky. The kids were OK... but every adult on that trip shared that same knowing look among ourselves. We could all see in each others' faces- that Our World had changed forever.
The completeness I felt when I shared the last evening with Gerald and His Kids. Gerald was Crystal's father, and a career Marine. Crystal and Paul (our friends) met while serving in the USMC, and shared a special bond with Gerald. (Semper Fi!) G&Me are just ordinary John Q citizens.
We all were tired, sore, and smelly after 2 days of strenuous river-paddling. Gerald had opened his home and kitchen to us all, because we were his little girl's friends. After showers and dinner, we all chilled in front of the TV. 9/11 coverage was still wall-to-wall. The sound was turned off at one point, and we all found ourselves staring silently at the harrowing scenes on that glowing box. I looked at Gerald, Paul and Crystal, and said to them: "You'll never know how much your service to us means to me." Crystal and Paul were stunned. In all the years we'd been friends, they'd never heard me say anything of that sort. Gerald, however, took it all in stride. He looked at me and said,: "Young man, it was my privilege to do so... and I DO know what it means to you. That's why I did it... because it means the same to me."
9/11 means many things to all of us. What it means to me is this:
It showed me what it means to be a citizen of this immensely diverse and complex country.
It showed me that there are bigger things in this world than my own personal considerations... and that I truly am a citizen of This World.
It showed me that amidst its cities and towns, near-country and far-flung outback, we are all united... in the ways that mean the most.
9/11 made me a citizen and a patriot in ways that I never was before. And 9/11 also made me someone who was able to be blessed with something from that awful day besides anger, resentment, bitterness and pain... and that blessing was something the terrorists hadn't planned on:
9/11 made me a better American.
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C'mon, everyone... spill it. All of it... no matter where you're from or what your citizenship is. No need to wait for the 10th anniversary. There's no time like the present... because the present is all we have. What is 9/11 to you?
Share something that makes us all One for just a moment, won't you?
God knows we all could use it, right about now...
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Actually MSNBC replayed their coverage of the events of 9-11 as they happened minute by minute when the first reports hit this morning. It's real emotional to watch and I do every year and every year it brings back the sadness, shock, and straight up hate that day brought out in me. It does seem to me that people have moved on in a way but sometimes when something horrible happens it is kinda good to want to move on, but for something like this you never can. Or, never should anyways. Some people even have to ask "why are we over there fighting anyways?"  And FreeAgent, I can't wait for BoB Pacific either. I hope it just as good if not better than the orig. I own the DvD set and watch it anytime it's on TV
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I am asking that question even today.
The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq had/have nothing to do with 9/11...outside of the fact that 9/11 was an excuse to carry them out. Iraq was an oil-wealthy strategic base, and Afghanistan was a hellhole with a lucrative natural gas pipeline.
Had we wanted to avenge 9/11's perpetrators, we'd have annihilated Saudi Arabia.
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Speaking as an American, I want to tell you how much it means to me to hear from someone who may live outside our borders, but feels for what we went through on that day.
Some people might roll their eyes or think I can't possibly understand that event, but it felt like an attack on my country, too.
As I get older, the less I worry about borders... especially when it comes to the U.S. I've spoken with/met a lot of Americans in my time, and were it not for the weird ways some of you guys talk  , I don't discern any difference.
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I will never forget the events of 9-11. The horror of watching people jump rather than burn ...... the shock at watching the 2nd plane hit ....... the abject sadness as the 1st tower fell ..... followed by fear and sadness for the people in the 2nd tower as I realized that it wouldn't be far behind ..... and the anger at whoever could have done such a thing.
I remember the starkness of the skies in the days following, as there were no planes ..... no trails ..... no sounds .......
It was so quiet ...... almost pristine ... yet wrong at the same time .....
I remember our car lot being devoid of customers for about a week afterwards.
I remember hearing how this was all our fault .... how it was because of our "encroachment" inrto the Middle East (which always struck me as wierd, given that Britain was actually an occupying power, and controlled large sections of the Middle east following the fall of the Ottoman Empire) and how it was because of Israel and the Palestinians .....
What happened to the Palestinians lately anyway?
In the end, it was about hatred and power. It was about creating fear. It was about a small group of people trying to feel powerful by making other people die. (on their side, and on the other side)
In the end, they took a lot of lives ..... but accomplished little else for their "cause".
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Are you calling me a liar? I'm glad that MSNBC and the History Channel dedicated some time to it. I just remember for the few years after, the networks set aside big chunks of time.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I for one am glad it didn't get a lot of coverage. As has been said, its been 8 years and we've already spent plenty of time on it, its beyond time to move forward. There are many things happening in the country and in the world that need our attention.
Personally, I treat it the same as any other tragedy. I feel for the people who died and the families who lost loved ones for a few moments and then I move on with my life. I wish more people would do the same instead of bringing it up all the time like its more important or meaningful than any other tragic event.
"All I know is, as long as I led the Southeastern Conference in scoring, my grades would be fine." - Charles Barkley
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