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this was posted on waiting for next year, which is a pretty solid cleveland sports blog. http://menofthescarletandgray.com/wp-content/uploads/no_score_USC.jpgthat was on the 4th and goal play after the pryor interception on the first series of the game. i'm not gonna groan about it, but why was there no replay. that changes the entire outlook of the game, and the rest of the game the way it went. 4th and goal after a costly turnover? it's too late now, but it just hurts a little more to see that picture.
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interesting, but of course it's water under the bridge.
I also recollect on the series that the Buckeyes settled for a field goal deep inside the 5, on third down I thought the RB might have gotten in, but the announcers were using that play to do other things, so we didn't get a replay. Next play was a field goal attempt.
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i brought this up to my father-in-law and wife during the game (both diehard USC fans)....so, we watched the 4 plays again.
refs did a horrible job spotting that 4th down ball...not only should the tip have been nearly at the goalline, but the line-judge spotting it had his foot there and the other line judge spotted it just inside the 1 yard line.
so, sure, he may not have quite made it in, but the refs are the ones that made that yard so long for USC in the first place.....officiating usually evens out through the game.
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Lol. So they didn't get in on 4th and 1 after all. - Not like we lost by 3 points or anything.  Well, I'm glad this surfaced. If we are in the running for the title game, the voters won't ever say it, but this play will get taken into account. Ohio State still has a great chance to vie for the National Championship. Check out the rankings as of today: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/polls1.Florida (56) 2.Texas (1) 3.USC (1) 4.Alabama (2) 5.Penn St. 5.Mississippi 7.BYU 8.California 9.LSU 10.Boise St. 11.Ohio St. Of Florida, Alabama, Miss, and LSU, only one team can go, and it's possible none of them will go. After you take those teams out the equation, your left with Texas - they still have to play Oklahoma, and may end up having to play Okl St. If Texas falls, USC jumps in and Penn State is right behind them. USC has yet to play #8 Cal and Penn State still has to play Ohio State. Essentially, if Texas loses, there's a very, very good chance we see an SEC vs. Boise St/Ohio State National Championship.
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No it won't. Not to hate on the Buckeyes, but voters are going to be looking for reasons to keep them out just because of recent history... I'm not saying it's fair, just that's how I think it would go.... If there is 1 undefeated team and the choice is between a 1 loss SEC team or a 1 loss USC or even a 1 loss Big 12 team, OSU won't be in the NC game. The voters are far more likely to consider that OSU beat Navy in the final minute by intercepting an extra point than to remember that USC didn't actually cross the goal line.
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Of Florida, Alabama, Miss, and LSU, only one team can go, and it's possible none of them will go.
After you take those teams out the equation, your left with Texas - they still have to play Oklahoma, and may end up having to play Okl St.
If Texas falls, USC jumps in and Penn State is right behind them. USC has yet to play #8 Cal and Penn State still has to play Ohio State.
Essentially, if Texas loses, there's a very, very good chance we see an SEC vs. Boise St/Ohio State National Championship.
Texas plays Oklahoma State this and every year. They may have the play Nebraska in the Big12 championship game.
Also, you neglected taking BYU into account.
and if Cal beats USC....who does Cal lose to? ok, they are Cal...nevermind.
an undefeated Boise may not have a good enough schedule, so I think you can discount them from the start.
really...the thing that cannot be answered is: why would voters take a 1-loss Buckeye team over a 1-loss SEC or USC?
they really can't....even if Penn State and Michigan win every game left except to us....too much recent history against us, which will play a part in the vote. and....USC beat us in Columbus. they need to lose 2 games.
that's okay though....let's cheer for USC to make the national championship game and take on the 2nd place SEC, BigXII or ACC school. Let's win that game and build on it for next year's championship run.
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No it won't. Not to hate on the Buckeyes, but voters are going to be looking for reasons to keep them out just because of recent history... I'm not saying it's fair, just that's how I think it would go.... If there is 1 undefeated team and the choice is between a 1 loss SEC team or a 1 loss USC or even a 1 loss Big 12 team, OSU won't be in the NC game. The voters are far more likely to consider that OSU beat Navy in the final minute by intercepting an extra point than to remember that USC didn't actually cross the goal line.
and ohio state just doesn't have another game on their schedule to redeem themselves. to win with the voters and espn types, they are gonna have to beat an elite team. penn state doesn't count because they are pretty much in the same boat. everyone hates the big ten.
ohio state's next shot at redemption is to possibly run their schedule, get a bcs berth, and beat hopefully an sec team to make people believers again.
i think even if michigan is for real, and by for real, i mean, not horrible, it still won't matter. the bucks had one shot this regular season to win and they blew it when they let a freshman go pretty much the length of the field in crunch time.
all i'm sayin is looking at that photo hurts, because the entire game changes after that play if they stop it on 4th and 1. wipe out the rest of that game. the defense gets jacked up, and maybe with that confidence they don't blow the lead at the end of the game.
honestly it doesn't matter because sports are about championships and i don't think ohio state holds a flame to any of these top teams like florida or oklahoma (with a healthy bradford), this is more about next year and the year after than it is about this year. this is about getting terrelle pryor better.
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More and more people are saying that. I agree. - Lots of young talent on this team.
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More and more people are saying that. I agree. - Lots of young talent on this team.
I agree...with one caveat....win the Big10 and the Rose Bowl this year.
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Tressel outshines Carroll in college football's location nation Sep. 22, 2009
By Gregg Doyel
CBSSports.com National Columnist
This story is going to do things you didn't think possible. It will compliment Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel in a way that insults the OSU football program. It will compliment Southern California in a way that insults USC coach Pete Carroll.
How is that possible? It just is. Trust me. I know how this story ends.
And I know how it begins, too.
It begins with a football game on Sept. 28, 2003. It begins on that day with this score: California 34, USC 31.
Cal was unranked. The Trojans were No. 3. That was the first of six losses to unranked Pac-10 teams the Trojans have suffered under Carroll, a trend that continued Saturday when No. 3 USC lost to Washington. Given how good USC has been under Carroll, that's a staggering number of losses to unranked teams.
Still, Carroll usually gets a pass from critics. He's a great coach. Almost everyone says so.
Meanwhile, at Ohio State, Tressel gets no such free pass. His teams mangle the teams they're supposed to mangle, but the Buckeyes have lost six consecutive games to opponents ranked in the top five, and the country laughs while the locals cry. Just last week, after Tressel's Buckeyes lost to Carroll's top-five Trojans, OSU fans dumped their misery into Tressel's e-mail account, causing Tressel to mock them as being "already miserable ... there's no way they're happy."
Tressel is mostly ripped while Carroll is mostly left alone, which means something has been lost along the way: Common sense. Perspective. An understanding of what those two programs are, and just as important, where they are. Use some common sense on the matter, have some perspective, and you'll see the obvious:
Jim Tressel is a better coach than Pete Carroll.
I know what the numbers say. Carroll has won 84.9 percent of his games compared to 81 percent for Tressel. Carroll has won two national titles to one for Tressel. And just nine days ago, Carroll beat Tressel head-to-head. In Columbus, no less.
The numbers say Carroll is better than Tressel, but numbers lie. Numbers say Tim Tebow is the best college quarterback of all-time, and that's a lie of Nixonian or Clintonian proportions.
When it comes to Tressel and Carroll, this is the absolute truth:
At a football goldmine like USC, Carroll is supposed to win 84.9 percent of his games. He's supposed to win two national titles in eight or nine years. And he's supposed to beat Tressel head-to-head. Why? Three reasons: Location, location, location.
Look at the consistently dominant programs -- the national champions, the near-champions -- in today's college football: Florida. Southern Cal. Texas. Oklahoma. LSU.
And Ohio State.
What school doesn't belong in that group, from a geography standpoint?
Ohio State.
The Buckeyes have no business beating USC or LSU or Florida, and so bless their heart, they don't. They get smoked when they play a top-five team, one usually from the Deep South or from Southern California, because they aren't just playing against USC or LSU or Florida.
They're playing against a stacked deck.
Kids don't want to play for Ohio State because kids don't want to freeze their ass off. You'll find exceptions to that statement, obviously, but save it. Don't give me a recruiting list that shows how a handful of top recruits every year pick Penn State or Notre Dame or, yes, Ohio State. Don't bother. Those are the exceptions, not the rule. Most great players pick a college where it's warm, in part because they live where it's warm. The best players come from Florida, California and Texas. And where are the best college programs located? Florida, California and Texas (and Oklahoma). What a coincidence.
That stuff is obvious, but don't tell me it's obvious. Tell yourself. You're the one who insists Pete Carroll is a better coach than Jim Tressel because he wins more than Jim Tressel -- even as you conveniently forget that Carroll should win more than Tressel.
Yet Carroll doesn't win the games he should. Not every time. About once a year his team loses a game it has no business losing. Carroll got the choke shock out of the way early this season against Washington, but I'm disagreeing with Dennis Dodd on one thing: He suggests Carroll's dynasty is teetering. Not me. As long as he's there, Carroll will win 84.9 percent of his games and the occasional national title. He's the perfect fit for USC because he knows how to attract future NFL talent. Does he know how to coach it, how to maximize it? No. He does not.
Tressel coaches. Tressel maximizes. His teams don't choke or get shocked. Do they lose to the best opponents on the biggest stages? Yeah. They do. All things being equal, the more talented team wins, and Ohio State hasn't been more talented than LSU or Florida or USC or Texas. And Ohio State should never be more talented than LSU or Florida or USC or Texas.
But Tressel does get the most out of his teams. I'm sure of that. Carroll? I'm not so sure about him. The only thing I'm sure of, when it comes to Carroll, is this: He signs guys like Leinart and Bush and White and Sanchez and stud after stud after stud, but it's wrong to say Carroll signs great talent and then just rolls the ball onto the field and lets them play.
Because if he just rolled the ball onto the field and let them play, the Trojans would have beaten Washington. As soon as USC lost to Washington....I thought of the question, would you rather lose to a top 5 team once a year OR lose to an unranked team. That's USC and OSU.
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And to say we've been blown out in every game against top 5 opponents is ridiculous. We lost on the last drives of the game to both Texas and USC. I know it's still a loss, but the games were very entertaining with very evenly matched teams.
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Thanks for a great read Punch.  I plan on forwarding it to several fellow Buckeye fans for some perspective. As I said in the Wk 3 thread, Coach is doing fine. Maybe more of Buckeye Nation will get a clue. The USC game was a great game. It would be a darn shame if we ran the table and didn't get in the title game, but what's done is done despite that picture. The Bucks might lose another game or two, but I certainly won't blame it on Tressel. The only time I have really been disappointed in play calling was the LSU game since I thought our best chance was for Beanie to have 30+ carries. Then again, Tress and his staff know football better than I.
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would the critics, espn, yahoo sports, etc... say ohio state has won 2 titles this decade if one of them was an ap #1?
i think not.
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i don't.
that may have been how it used to be, but with the inception of the bcs, that's how it's run now, like it or not.
lsu won the title for the 2003 season. not usc. and all the honks out there can whine about it, but lsu won the championship.
that's why i don't get why people whine so much about the bcs, it's better than the alternative, at least we get something close to the 2 best teams playing each other.
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What gets lost in all of this is the media's role in public perception.
The media wont shut up about the way that LSU "blew out" Ohio State 38-24.
- A 14 point difference in a game that was played in Louisiana.
Now, take a look at what happened last bowl season, when Alabama - the SEC west champ, played Utah in the Sugar Bowl. Of course, Alabama was picked to win by 10 - after all, they are from the SEC.
Utah beat Alabama 31-17. - The same margin of victory that LSU beat Ohio State by. Utah is a Mountain West team.
Why isn't the media getting all irrational about a Mountain West team beating the SEC West champ by 14 points?
Why doesn't the media talk about how in '08 Florida beat Alabama by 11 points in the SEC Championship but Utah (who went undefeated) beat Alabama by 14?
Because the media has an agenda. Right now, the media's agenda is to downplay the Big 10 and to put the SEC on a plateau - of course, the minute Tebow leaves Florida, or when an SEC team loses in the title game, the media will start talking about how the SEC is overrated and "not what it used to be"
It's a bunch of bs.
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What gets lost in all of this is the media's role in public perception.
The media wont shut up about the way that LSU "blew out" Ohio State 38-24.
- A 14 point difference in a game that was played in Louisiana.
Now, take a look at what happened last bowl season, when Alabama - the SEC west champ, played Utah in the Sugar Bowl. Of course, Alabama was picked to win by 10 - after all, they are from the SEC.
Utah beat Alabama 31-17. - The same margin of victory that LSU beat Ohio State by. Utah is a Mountain West team.
Why isn't the media getting all irrational about a Mountain West team beating the SEC West champ by 14 points?
Why doesn't the media talk about how in '08 Florida beat Alabama by 11 points in the SEC Championship but Utah (who went undefeated) beat Alabama by 14?
Because the media has an agenda. Right now, the media's agenda is to downplay the Big 10 and to put the SEC on a plateau - of course, the minute Tebow leaves Florida, or when an SEC team loses in the title game, the media will start talking about how the SEC is overrated and "not what it used to be"
It's a bunch of bs.
I agree with your post, and basically with almost everything you said. I do disagree with how you posted that OSU getting beat by 14 points. I know that was the final score, but the game wasn't that close throughout. The Big Ten is getting a bad rap because OSU has been the only good team in the conference the last 2 years or so, and when OSU played anyone with a good team outside of the conference, they got beat, and got beat badly a few times. Until the Big Ten picks up their play, or the SEC starts failing in the National Championships like you said, this will continue.
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